The Hoover A3110 is not happy... poorly pump!

[richardc1983]

The other week before my holidays the pump motor appeared to have jammed I could hear it humming. I thought maybe something caught in the pump so pulled the machine out and turned the fan round on the pump and it moved ok and smooth so started it back up and it pumped out fine and ran ok for the rest of that week. Bear in mind this pump has always been noisy but has done its job since I got the machine.

Anyway after 10 days holiday I came back last night to the boiler breaking down ( from 33C heat in spain to 10C UK weather I wanted a hot shower) and thought I would put a wash on (first holiday wash). When it came to the drain stage I noticed the machine is not emptying but trying to spin full of wate with the pump just humming. Not good being 1am I turned the machine off and decided to call it a night.

Got up next day and pulled the machine out this time the pump seems seized/stiff to turn with a small pool of water under the pump and the pump housing rusted so it appears the bearings/seals have gone and leaking water which have in turn corroded the motor and seized it.

Anyway onto ebay I went and bought a new pump with the red cooling fan for about £13 and will fit when it arrives. I assume this is easy to swap out? Do I need any special tools, does the pump just screw in or is it bolted in? Know I will need to remove jubilee clips and get all the water out... flooded kitchen

Least the new pump will be quiet like!

 

[andyvivo]

Hi Richard

No special tools requried, probably an 8 or 10mm bolt retaining the pump to the cabinet. If a pump can is fitted, a philips screwdriver to transfer to the new pump(Make sure is the wires cannot chafe on the can). Oh and a bucket and some towels, or a wet & dry vac!

I guess there is always something to remind you the holiday is over lol =)

Regards Andy

 

[richardc1983]

Pump is ordered from ebay so hoping for it to arrive asap...

Whats a pump can? Do you mean the cover over the top of the pump?

This is the pump I have bought fingers crossed its the right one... the existing pump has a clear/grey impeller.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hoover-80...CI&otn=5&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=11290301558814924

Pardon our interruption...

 

[andyvivo]

Pump cover

Yes I do, pump can / metal guard.

Looks like the right one to me in the link.

If the pump has been leaking for a while you may want to aim some wd40 on the bolt threads before trying to remove.

 

[richardc1983]

Pump should be here tmrw dont have any WD40 though so hope it comes off easily.

 

[richardc1983]

Pump still not arrived, not impressed as paid for next day delivery so should have been here today! They gave me a tracking number which according to courier wasnt valid so I dont even think its been sent out! However the seller is saying it has! So why cant provide me with tracking number!

 

The washing is mounting up and feel cheeky asking to use neighbours washer lol plus doesnt wash as well!

 

[keymatic3203]

Hi Richard

Can you believe that a similar thing happened to my A3060, last weekend, I had a load in whilst repairing a cleaner and I was thinking how an unpromising spin turned out beautifully balanced, when during the 1100 spin I thought there was a funny smell, and assumed it was the vac I was running, looked over to see smoke comming out from around the machine, I assumed it was the capacitor about to blow, so shut it off. As it was late I left it until sunday, when I opened it up and couldnt see anything I switched back on and the pump when bang, so fitted the same pump you've got, I got a job lot a few years back, but having used two of the ten I'm getting low stock anxiety. The pump works well but to the purest doesn't sound right in a Hoover, as it doesn't have the disc impellor. I do have some original pumps, so as and when I find one I replace it.

All the best with your repair, let us now how it goes

Mathew

( and just because we are enjoying a hotpoint season lol )

 

[richardc1983]

Matthew

What kind of an impeller does it have?

 

I thought it was a like for like replacement - hope its not a pump that will get blocked due to their being no filter?

 

This was the one I was reccomended to use as I thought it was original, the one thats in is a white fan one.

 

Richard.

 

[andyvivo]

Hoover had a different impeller that was fairly flat and something like 8 shallow impellers. This design was to stop buttons not jamming the pump. The normal type are four impellers and will work fine. You could always fit later Askoll type pump which will be quieter and never leak. But I can understand the purists method of trying to keep to what was fitted.

Hope it arrives up soon.

 

[richardc1983]

Wonder what type is in there now?

 

Guess we will find out later.

 

[electron1100]

Askoll Pumps

Hello Andy surely you dont mean the horrible noisy magnetic pumps that are fitted in modern machines.
The shaded pole pumps are far quieter in operation

Richard I know how frustrating it is waiting for something to arrive, be patient things will sort themselves out.

Mat so the pump finally died..........well it is about 35 years old, i have found the source of the rattle on my 3060.........major job!

Gary

 

[andyvivo]

Askoll

Hi Gary

Yes I mean the magnetic pump, noise varies depending on the make of machine fitted to. I think these are really quiet on the Zanussi's washcraft (when replacing the old type shaded pole) and even quieter on those with carboran bases. The shaded pole can also be varying, the quieter pumps were plaset produced, I always thought the gre and copreci where noisy by comparison.

 

[matchboxpaul]

Hi Richard.
Oh the foibles of vintage machine ownership. At least with vintage, you can generally repair - fingers crossed that you get your pump sorted.
Though the only post move photo I have seen of your A3110 had a lovely pink hue to it, the machine looks great in its new setting.

Patience with the post - can be very frustrating.

Hi Mathew.
You will always be thinking 'its not the right sound' - I am now on countdown to the day when you replace it

Hi Gary.
What the problem with your ex-Cornwall Avenue, Darlington that emigrated to Cornwall A3060?

Paul

 

[richardc1983]

Ok new pump arrived just as I was heading out the door to the dentist! Lucky as I was getting stressed waiting in all morning for other stuff that hasn't turned up.

The pump Isnt a magnetic one in fact it looks the same as the old one except an old fan so what do you mean my askol pump to fit later?

This one has 4 vanes on it.

 

[andyvivo]

Askoll

Hi Richard
Glad it has arrived at last.

Askoll is like the one in the link. They are the most common used pump now, and are extremly universal with the appropriate chamber suited to the model it is being fitted to.

http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/140755543266?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y

 

[richardc1983]

Well this is not straight forward the connections are different and also the screw connections are spaces differently. Had to get my neighbour round to help...

Forgot te machine was full of water and the drain hose dropped to the floor water everywhere!

 

[rolls_rapide]

The magnetic pump in my three year old Panasonic is quiet only when pumping water. As soon as it encounters foam or air, it sounds like a Black & Decker drill on "hammer" action. Silly design of filter: a plastic spindle with a disc. I wonder if it is that that vibrates? Zanussi had a better design, but Hoover didn't need any filter with their self-cleaning vortex pump.

 

[electron1100]

Learning Curve

Hello Richard

When you say the connections are different do you mean the elctrical connections? there should be male spades on the pump and female spades on the end of the two wires going to it

do you also mean that the mounting holes are not in the correct place?

Hope you got the water cleared up ok

Gary

Rolls rapide
This has been exactly my experience of magnetic pumps on three different make of machines i have owned that all had these type of pumps (Hoover,Bosch,Hotpoint), they are quietish when under load but as you say when they are not under load they are noisy as hell, how Hotpoint have the cheek to put "whisper quiet" on the front of my aqualtis beggers belief they should be taken to court by trading standards

The main problem with them is they are in affect a 2 pole motor, 2 pole motors vibrate alot due to the rapid push/pull affect when they are rotating, the more poles a motor has the smoother its rotation

 

[richardc1983]

Gary...

Hi Gary

Ended up getting my neighbour involved as I was starting to get stressed out! I replaced the motor one time with no issue at all but this was difficult!

The screws were solid wtih the rust from the leaking pump. Anyway the spades were smaller on the electrical connections of the washer and the new pump they were bigger so had to change them also to match the new one and also the mounting spaces were different and only one place to mount onto the pump that would fit. Anyway its all secure now did 3 loads last night cant believe I put up with such a noisy pump for so long cant even tell its on now.

You can also see my Bosch countertop dishwasher I refitted yesterday

Heres a pic of her in her new home lol.. will post a pic of the knackered pump later!