The YouCrate comes with Freezing Rain!

[supremewhirlpol]

Robert, that's so funny, you're too much!! lol. Actually, I'm concerned about the current draw of the Variable Frequency Drive module that I will use. Since I want the machine to operate on 115V AC 1 phase, a VFD that operates on 115V that runs a 230V AC 3 phase motor will draw a high amount of current. It's too bad my AB 1305 VFD/servo module would quite work for this application. It requires 460V AC 3phase. The motor I'm looking at getting is 1/2 HP 3450 RPM either TEFC or TENV inverter duty 230V AC 3 phase C-face mount.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

So, it turns out that the pump wasn't the problem at all. When the spin cam bar engages, the basket drive pulley locked up. I was able to get it free, but I think most of those parts need a little lubrication. I did grease the cam bars, and the machine did quiet down a bit. I did run a load, the machine seems to work ok, and does the "WooWoo" sound. Now I need to finish greasing the top of the transmission, and apply some oil to the inside of the spin tube bearings, etc.

DaveAMKayroGuy:
It's an old machine that needs to be shown some love. Definitely a special machine! I'll have to put the dryer on the list of machines that I have John look out for.

 

[cfz2882]

nice old whirlpool!-looked like there were '67 date codes on the motor and
pump.

 

[tolivac]

Cool!!Another HID lamp collector!!I like to collect them too-and the fixtures!-and use them.There is a good supply of Fixtures and bulbs here-check with the electric contractors out here-they sometimes do complete light redo's in the local factories and shopping centers-then you can get some neat fixtures.another company -Growers Supply-sells fixtures for greenhouses with Digital ballast-these can run Metal Halide or High Pressure Sodium from the same ballast-they sell fixtures in 400W,1000W.the 400W ones work nicely-Can run 400W High pressure sodium,Pulse start metal halide,and probe start metal halide.(Most commonly used at present)PUlse start taking over-two electrode bulbs that use a High voltage ignitor with the ballast to start the bulb.Probe start doesn't use the high voltage ignitor.The Digital ballast may be just what the HID light collector needs.Some digital ballast can run with a multiple of primary voltages-it senses the voltage applied and adjusts the ballast characteristics.

 

[combo52]

BLUE WP WASHER

Hi Melvin glad the machines arrived in one piece, I see that I forgot to include the rear feet parts I do have these if you need them. The correct model # of your machine is LRA7800BO. When I do the rest of the restoration of the Mark12 I will send you the correct tag for your machine. So the top of yours is a 1967 and the rest is 1968. I also noticed that one of the three centering springs from the DD washer fell out when we were loading it and I have it. I thing all DD springs are the same but in any case I will save it for you.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Rex(tolivac): Now that's interesting! I thought I was the only one. That adventure started in the 5th grade for me! I think you just opened a can of worms! Alright, I'll start a thread in the Super section on the HID fixtures and lamps. I have a few fixtures, but not many.

cfz2882):
Thanks for the info.

John(combo52):Actually I haven't even looked at the DD machine yet. Yes, If you could keep those parts for me, that would be great! You can include them in the next crate that I send you for more machines! lol.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Good news and bad news

The good news:
-machine works and does not leak.

The bad news:
-Machine vibrates excessively
-clothes basket has "play"

If one were to grab the sides of the basket and try to cause it to move side to side, one would realize that there is a fair amount of "play" in the bearings. I can't really determine the source of the excessive vibrations. I'm thinking that it is either the motor, or a consequence of the loose bearings in the spin tube and center post. I'll post a video shortly. Those of you WP/KN BD experts, please tell me what you think.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Here is the first video. This is the noisiest Whirlpool I've worked with.

 

[cfz2882]

does sound like some worn bushings alright..Also seemed there may be more than the
usual amount of motor groan-could be the rubber mount bushings have gotten
hard with age and are transmitting more vibration.Sometimes,if conditions
are just right,the motor's rotor can"float"in the stator's maghetic field
and create that sound-my filter flo does this on occaision.
The motors are very quiet on my '81 and '86 big BDs,but those have emerson
motors that seem to be quieter than GEs-the GE motor in my'77 24" BD is
a little loud but that might be difference between 29 and 24" BDs design

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Thanks cfz2882

My experience with the square Emerson motors is that they were quiet, did not vibrate as much, but also ran hotter than the square GE motors. This barrel GE motor looks like there may be a chance that it can be rebuilt. I'll try an Emerson motor to see if the vibration goes away.

 

[combo52]

NOISEY WP WASHER

Hi Melvin the vibrating rattling noise you hear before it goes into spin is the top agitator shaft bearing, the additional racket you hear when it is spinning is the top center post bearings. The washer needs new center post bearings spin tube and agitator shaft. I can not tell if there is any problem with the motor, it seemed that when you made the video that there was another washer running in he back ground ?. If you want to see if the motor is excessively noisy remove the belt from the motor pulley and see what the motor sounds like, I am going to bet that the motor is OK.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Thanks for the reply John, it's what I'm afraid of. That's the main reason I didn't disassemble this machine. Once you disassemble it, there's a bunch of things that will need replacing. The bearings I don't have the tools or expertise to replace. I would think the agitator shaft for the transmission is NLA. Well, this machine will just have to limp along. The mod to the drive system will have to be put on hold.

Yes, there are two machines running in the background, The Maytag dryer and the Primus with the rotary phase converter.

 

[supremewhirlpol]

I have uploaded a few videos of a wash cycle with the blue Whirlpool. Due to what it needs, it's best I don't use it anymore until the bearings and other stuff can be replaced.

Here is a video if the beginning fill

 

[supremewhirlpol]

The Cool Down

 

[supremewhirlpol]

low agitation

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Neutral drain

 

[supremewhirlpol]

Final Spin

->Probably should have left 1 or 2 sweat shirts out. I don't use TL machines very often.

 

[kenmoreguy64]

Melvin and cfz -

I agree with John, when you pushed on the basket and altered the vibration, my first hunch was confirmed that the centerpost bearings are worn. Its the top bearing that amplifies the noise, but they're both usually toasted by this point, or have enough play that both need to be replaced.

The agitator shaft I am a little less concerned about - my experience has been that tight centerpost bearings shore up any grooves in the agitator shaft that may cause vibration noises. BUT, if there is a lot of wear on the shaft, it will need to go too because the worn spots can chew up a new spin-tube seal which would be recommended when the bearings get re-done.

If this were my machine I would not be concerned just yet about the motor. I have heard far noisier belt-drives that had good motors, but it is very possible as it was said above that the vibration dampening rubber absorbers in the motor mounts may be dried out, thus transmitting any noise that is there.

I whole-heartedly agree with cfz about the Emerson motors. I have rarely encountered a bad one, same for a noisey one. I have had some wicked GE motors though - these DID transmit unholy sounds through the machine, and when really bad, they will fry the skin on your fingers when touching them, they get so hot. They make good boat anchors at that point. I can hardly remember a 1980s belt-drive that had a GE motor, though they seem to have seen widespread use in early 1970s models.

Good luck with the machine melvin. A bearing job isn't that big a deal if you can get your hands on the right tools.

Gordon

 

[volvoguy87]

Bearings.

I have some KM Belt Drives that could use seals, if not bearings as well. What are the part numbers for the centerpost bearing tools and how much do they usually cost? Are the bearing tools needed for seal replacement?

WP/KM Belt Drive Centerpost bearings and seals are a mystery to me,
Dave

 

[kenmoreguy64]

Melvin -

I forgot to mention one thing: If the machine is cold when the vibrations are really bad, they sometimes will warm up and become much quieter. This to me anyway is a sign that the bearings aren't that bad yet.

The videos you added while I was typing above seem to confirm that. The machine sounds pretty respectable during drain and spin - all I can hear during spin is a bit of agitator growl (the agitator acts like a mega-phone when vibrations come from the agitator shaft).

Gordon