Thomson TX898 - No paddles in drum?
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vivalalavatrice
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Maybe for drying cylce...
Very strange for a EuroTL to have only one paddle... at least they have three ones.
I suppose that's to have not much plastics element in the drum to reduce any risk of demage with high temp in the heavy drying cycle...although termoindurent plastic must be used for element such as that to achieve high temp resistence.
By the way, reading an instrucion manual of a muchine such as that, I read that you have to take out the dispenser (which is generally under the lid in machine like that, made of thermopalstic) during the drying cycle (so I found that wash'n dry is not automatic!), to don't get dry any powder detergent residue left.
I might assure that any other machine like that has got at least three (I would they were more!) "acuminate" paddles... splashing sound seems quite energic!
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Very strange for a EuroTL to have only one paddle... at least they have three ones.
I suppose that's to have not much plastics element in the drum to reduce any risk of demage with high temp in the heavy drying cycle...although termoindurent plastic must be used for element such as that to achieve high temp resistence.
By the way, reading an instrucion manual of a muchine such as that, I read that you have to take out the dispenser (which is generally under the lid in machine like that, made of thermopalstic) during the drying cycle (so I found that wash'n dry is not automatic!), to don't get dry any powder detergent residue left.
I might assure that any other machine like that has got at least three (I would they were more!) "acuminate" paddles... splashing sound seems quite energic!
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Diomede
I am also skeptical at the one paddle TX898 because most of all other washers and dryer have 3 (or more) paddles.
We could not question its washing performance because it is a modern machine with top class A washing performance as awarded by IEC.
I think that the washing and drying could be done automatically in one go. Will email my son to confirm.
We could not question its washing performance because it is a modern machine with top class A washing performance as awarded by IEC.
I think that the washing and drying could be done automatically in one go. Will email my son to confirm.
Thermoindurent plastic - themoset. RIGID, stays in from once set.
Thermoplastic- becomes pliable/moldable at higher temperatures.
I dont like the idea of one paddle. Sometimes it takes a good paddling to get reuslts.
Thermoplastic- becomes pliable/moldable at higher temperatures.
I dont like the idea of one paddle. Sometimes it takes a good paddling to get reuslts.
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One paddle can be quite sufficient in a smaller drum. The point of the paddle is to provide enough added friction to cause the load to roll. Large paddles in a small container can produce the paradoxical result that the load moves as a static whole, with no (or less) relative motion or mixing action. Also in a narrow drum you can get decent rollover and mixing action with no paddles, depending on friction between the load and the surface of the drum.
The placement of the plastic paddle opposite the door, seems intended to counterbalance the added weight of the hinges and latch on the door.
Horizontal-axis TLs by definition have "invisible" washing action (you can't watch). The closest you're going to get to being able to observe the cycle is by fitting a clear perspex lid over the top and bypassing the safety switch on the existing lid. (You need a lid otherwise the spin cycle will help wash your ceiling as well as your clothes!)
The closest we're going to get to visible washing action is if e.g. Staber made a unit with clear front panels on the inner and outer tubs, and a clear front cover. This could be done, and if the rear panels on the inner & outer tubs were also clear, it could include a light behind the rear of the outer tub, which would shine all the way through.
As far as the relative efficiency of Staber vs. others, the drum geometry could be equally efficient if a lower overall water level was used, counting on the "pumping" action of the drum geometry to compensate for the added clearance space. Probably the majority of the Stabers are sold to buyers in remote areas who prefer the simple & robust construction and the ability to easily self-maintain the machine over the years. Simple DIY maintenance is a compelling sales case in a rural environment. Many buyers are off-grid using solar and/or wind power (some for ecological reasons, but many for the simple practical reason that it would cost them more to extend grid power to their locations than to install their own solar & wind equipment), and have wells for water, so maximum electrical efficiency would be more important than maximum water efficiency.
The placement of the plastic paddle opposite the door, seems intended to counterbalance the added weight of the hinges and latch on the door.
Horizontal-axis TLs by definition have "invisible" washing action (you can't watch). The closest you're going to get to being able to observe the cycle is by fitting a clear perspex lid over the top and bypassing the safety switch on the existing lid. (You need a lid otherwise the spin cycle will help wash your ceiling as well as your clothes!)
The closest we're going to get to visible washing action is if e.g. Staber made a unit with clear front panels on the inner and outer tubs, and a clear front cover. This could be done, and if the rear panels on the inner & outer tubs were also clear, it could include a light behind the rear of the outer tub, which would shine all the way through.
As far as the relative efficiency of Staber vs. others, the drum geometry could be equally efficient if a lower overall water level was used, counting on the "pumping" action of the drum geometry to compensate for the added clearance space. Probably the majority of the Stabers are sold to buyers in remote areas who prefer the simple & robust construction and the ability to easily self-maintain the machine over the years. Simple DIY maintenance is a compelling sales case in a rural environment. Many buyers are off-grid using solar and/or wind power (some for ecological reasons, but many for the simple practical reason that it would cost them more to extend grid power to their locations than to install their own solar & wind equipment), and have wells for water, so maximum electrical efficiency would be more important than maximum water efficiency.
Very good observation/comment from designgeek about the white paddle.
My son told me that this white paddle is screwed with TORX T20. The drain outlet hole on the outer tub could be inspected by removing this white paddle.
I would speculate that the indentation on the door may also act as another small paddle. If so, then TX898 has two "mix and match" paddles.
My speculation/comment:
For H-axis washers, small paddles tend to distribute the laundry evenly around the drum in spinning.
In V-axis washers (TL-agitator), there is no paddles to interfer with the even distribution and they have less vibration problem.
My son told me that this white paddle is screwed with TORX T20. The drain outlet hole on the outer tub could be inspected by removing this white paddle.
I would speculate that the indentation on the door may also act as another small paddle. If so, then TX898 has two "mix and match" paddles.
My speculation/comment:
For H-axis washers, small paddles tend to distribute the laundry evenly around the drum in spinning.
In V-axis washers (TL-agitator), there is no paddles to interfer with the even distribution and they have less vibration problem.
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Vedo e non vedo...
Generally, those machine has got a safety switch, whic is on ONLY during rinse and spin cycles. It means that in any moment of the wash cycle you can open the lid, to look at the drum rotating, and I can tell you that's amazing to see the sudsy drum rotating (obviusly the drum stop itself as just as you open!).
That's why it would make sense to add clothes during the wash cycle while not during the rinses and... don't you think it would be dangorous to let that kind of washer spin with the lid open!?!?
I often open the lid (although my wahsers is in the basement), but sometimes during the cycle (2h), I go to visit her and I open the lid so look at the drum and to check otu the dispensers...
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Diomede
Generally, those machine has got a safety switch, whic is on ONLY during rinse and spin cycles. It means that in any moment of the wash cycle you can open the lid, to look at the drum rotating, and I can tell you that's amazing to see the sudsy drum rotating (obviusly the drum stop itself as just as you open!).
That's why it would make sense to add clothes during the wash cycle while not during the rinses and... don't you think it would be dangorous to let that kind of washer spin with the lid open!?!?
I often open the lid (although my wahsers is in the basement), but sometimes during the cycle (2h), I go to visit her and I open the lid so look at the drum and to check otu the dispensers...
Bye
Diomede
TL H-axis also have safety door lock !
Most modern washers, including TL H-axis, have safety door lock during the wash phase as well as during the rinse and spin phases. One needs to stop the washer first before the door is unlocked.
Of course, you could always fool or bypass the door switch if you know how.
Most modern washers, including TL H-axis, have safety door lock during the wash phase as well as during the rinse and spin phases. One needs to stop the washer first before the door is unlocked.
Of course, you could always fool or bypass the door switch if you know how.
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the7, thanks; and good observations on your part also, about the indentation in the door serving as a second paddle, and about load distribution going into spin.
Re. safety interlocks: they're designed to prevent small kids and idiots from Darwinizing themselves. As for the rest of us, common objects such as pencils and clothespins work casually as bypass mechanisms, and the more ambitious among us fit a toggleswitch on the back of the machine (or a key-lock switch if there are kids around).
The only place where I think a safety switch is really useful is on a highspeed spinner e.g. SpinX, since if something gets loose at 3,200 rpm, it's going to become a missile and could harm someone in the room. But to keep the action visible, there's no reason a spinner's external container couldn't be made out of clear polycarbonate, either alone or in some kind of "safety glass" type of laminate.
Re. safety interlocks: they're designed to prevent small kids and idiots from Darwinizing themselves. As for the rest of us, common objects such as pencils and clothespins work casually as bypass mechanisms, and the more ambitious among us fit a toggleswitch on the back of the machine (or a key-lock switch if there are kids around).
The only place where I think a safety switch is really useful is on a highspeed spinner e.g. SpinX, since if something gets loose at 3,200 rpm, it's going to become a missile and could harm someone in the room. But to keep the action visible, there's no reason a spinner's external container couldn't be made out of clear polycarbonate, either alone or in some kind of "safety glass" type of laminate.
