oxydolfan1
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"Sen. Larry Craig has reconsidered his decision to resign..."
Remember, most of these people are crazy.
Remember, most of these people are crazy.
Thread Title: "I am not Gay" or Just Desserts or Tappy McHappy Pants
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~Why do they call the mensroom on a ship the "head"?
Perhaps related to the reason the pilots' space on a plane is the cockpit. With an all female crew does it become the box-office?
~Remember, most (of these) people are crazy.
EVERYONE is crazy; only in some it is more obvious and shows up earlier.
Perhaps related to the reason the pilots' space on a plane is the cockpit. With an all female crew does it become the box-office?
~Remember, most (of these) people are crazy.
EVERYONE is crazy; only in some it is more obvious and shows up earlier.
irishwashguy
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WOW! We are now up to 201 as we speak with this thread
This is my two cents............He got caught. The Conservative Neo con people are spinning this like it was a sting operation or a witch hunt.I am glad that it is out in the open. i lived in Utah and saw lots of married white guys that would mess around with us young guys( maybe not 100 years old and totally creepy Baptist sinister minister looking) they were actually hot all of them that I saw., I thought it sad they would have to lie so they could get their needs met sexually. I believed one guy who had told me he had come out and was divorced and now single, until I saw him in front at an LDS church service with his lovely wife, and yes she was lovely......living a lie, just like the senator. This is very common in Utah and Idaho in my expierience because of all of the sexual supression which leaves me to wonder..............is he really sorry? Or sorry he was caught? By a cute Miniapolis police officer no less.........Is he gay or Tri sexual( he will try anything sexual?)
Ducks and runs for the hills stage left<<<
This is my two cents............He got caught. The Conservative Neo con people are spinning this like it was a sting operation or a witch hunt.I am glad that it is out in the open. i lived in Utah and saw lots of married white guys that would mess around with us young guys( maybe not 100 years old and totally creepy Baptist sinister minister looking) they were actually hot all of them that I saw., I thought it sad they would have to lie so they could get their needs met sexually. I believed one guy who had told me he had come out and was divorced and now single, until I saw him in front at an LDS church service with his lovely wife, and yes she was lovely......living a lie, just like the senator. This is very common in Utah and Idaho in my expierience because of all of the sexual supression which leaves me to wonder..............is he really sorry? Or sorry he was caught? By a cute Miniapolis police officer no less.........Is he gay or Tri sexual( he will try anything sexual?)
Ducks and runs for the hills stage left<<<
rinso
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Ritchie, I used to be one of those married white Utah Mormon guys who hooked up with other married gay Mormons. And yes, it is still very common in Utah and Idaho. But, at least it was in private and not in the privvy. It was also of mutual consent. I did feel guilty about it, as it wasn't the right thing to do to my wife. I have also apologized profusely to her.
After my divorce and coming out, I did manage to snare a nice returned missionary to whom I'm still partnered after 33 years.
After my divorce and coming out, I did manage to snare a nice returned missionary to whom I'm still partnered after 33 years.
air-waycharlie
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Just for the record..................
I AM not Gay! I have NEVER been Gay! However my boyfriend of the last 18 years is Gay.
How about we change Senator Craig to, "Senator Harriet Craig", named after one of Joan Crawford's best films?
I AM not Gay! I have NEVER been Gay! However my boyfriend of the last 18 years is Gay.
How about we change Senator Craig to, "Senator Harriet Craig", named after one of Joan Crawford's best films?
Charlie my man, you're one of the last people anyone would ever suspect of being gay. Suspect about other things maybe, but not about being gay.
It's quite possible that Mrs. Craig is gay as well. Soon after coming out back when I was mucho younger I went to a party and lo and behold there were the fathers of some of my classmates. Of one of them I was told his wife was also gay, no one would have ever known
It's quite possible that Mrs. Craig is gay as well. Soon after coming out back when I was mucho younger I went to a party and lo and behold there were the fathers of some of my classmates. Of one of them I was told his wife was also gay, no one would have ever known
I just received this eMail from Outfront Minnesota (one of the larger GLBT organizations in the state), after doing some research on their own they have finally released a statement on the whole ordeal and I found it quite interesting...
Senator Larry Craig
In the last week there's been much publicity in the case of U.S. Senator Larry Craig (R - Idaho), who was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct for attempting to solicit sex from an undercover police officer in a bathroom at the Twin Cities International Airport.
When situations like this become public, many in our community become concerned about police enforcement - is this entrapment? Are the police singling out gay men? While there have been incidents of unequal enforcement of the laws against GLBT people historically, we don't believe that is the case here. From everything we know, the police conducted their investigation in response to citizen complaints. There is no indication of entrapment, nor of selective enforcement of law solely against gay men. In fact, OutFront Minnesota has anecdotal information suggesting that airport authorities have also been targeting heterosexual activity there.
Senator Craig has opposed including GLBT people in federal hate crimes legislation; supports the military's 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' policy; voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment; and supported his own state's constitutional amendment to ban marriage equality. He has spoken out against the right of individuals and partners in committed loving relationships to live openly and honestly, while practicing closeted behavior in his private life. While we join the myriad voices pointing out the hypocrisy on the part of a senator who derives political benefit from casting anti-GLBT votes while purportedly seeking out same-sex sexual contacts, we also understand the role that institutionalized oppression has contributed to this situation. Senator Craig is not the first person to have been taught that to be GLBT is wrong, abnormal, or immoral.
OutFront Minnesota has worked closely with police throughout the state for nearly 20 years. We represent the GLBT community on the Minneapolis Police Community Relations Council, train new police recruits to help ensure the best services for the GLBT community, and work closely with police departments on the subject of equal enforcement of the law.
Anyone who believes they have received unfair treatment by the police may contact our Anti-Violence Program at 612 822-0127, ext. 101 (or statewide toll-free at 1-800-800-0350, ext. 101).
For referral to an attorney to assist with these or other legal issues, please contact our Legal Program at 612 822-0127, ext. 102 (or statewide toll-free at 1-800-800-0350, ext. 102).
Finally, it's unfortunate that the issue of "gay sex" becomes public when it's framed as "lewd" or "disorderly." As everyone in our community knows, lots of gay men are in committed, loving relationships where sex is a healthy part of their lives together. Hopefully our culture and our media will eventually evolve to recognize this.
I think that if it goes to court Craig will probably win as I believe he should because the evidence is nill, but I'm still thrilled it happened, what goes around comes around as the old saying goes.
Senator Larry Craig
In the last week there's been much publicity in the case of U.S. Senator Larry Craig (R - Idaho), who was arrested and charged with disorderly conduct for attempting to solicit sex from an undercover police officer in a bathroom at the Twin Cities International Airport.
When situations like this become public, many in our community become concerned about police enforcement - is this entrapment? Are the police singling out gay men? While there have been incidents of unequal enforcement of the laws against GLBT people historically, we don't believe that is the case here. From everything we know, the police conducted their investigation in response to citizen complaints. There is no indication of entrapment, nor of selective enforcement of law solely against gay men. In fact, OutFront Minnesota has anecdotal information suggesting that airport authorities have also been targeting heterosexual activity there.
Senator Craig has opposed including GLBT people in federal hate crimes legislation; supports the military's 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' policy; voted for the Federal Marriage Amendment; and supported his own state's constitutional amendment to ban marriage equality. He has spoken out against the right of individuals and partners in committed loving relationships to live openly and honestly, while practicing closeted behavior in his private life. While we join the myriad voices pointing out the hypocrisy on the part of a senator who derives political benefit from casting anti-GLBT votes while purportedly seeking out same-sex sexual contacts, we also understand the role that institutionalized oppression has contributed to this situation. Senator Craig is not the first person to have been taught that to be GLBT is wrong, abnormal, or immoral.
OutFront Minnesota has worked closely with police throughout the state for nearly 20 years. We represent the GLBT community on the Minneapolis Police Community Relations Council, train new police recruits to help ensure the best services for the GLBT community, and work closely with police departments on the subject of equal enforcement of the law.
Anyone who believes they have received unfair treatment by the police may contact our Anti-Violence Program at 612 822-0127, ext. 101 (or statewide toll-free at 1-800-800-0350, ext. 101).
For referral to an attorney to assist with these or other legal issues, please contact our Legal Program at 612 822-0127, ext. 102 (or statewide toll-free at 1-800-800-0350, ext. 102).
Finally, it's unfortunate that the issue of "gay sex" becomes public when it's framed as "lewd" or "disorderly." As everyone in our community knows, lots of gay men are in committed, loving relationships where sex is a healthy part of their lives together. Hopefully our culture and our media will eventually evolve to recognize this.
I think that if it goes to court Craig will probably win as I believe he should because the evidence is nill, but I'm still thrilled it happened, what goes around comes around as the old saying goes.
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andrewinorlando
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I'm curious, if anyone here knows factually, whether this type of behavior is common in European countries, or just here in this sexually repressed, homophobic, "family values" society??
Your way is not the only way, Mary.
Here is a urinal in the open-air in Amsterdam, Holland circa 1990.
I'm thinking other cultures are not as hung-up on sexuality and body functions as we are.
Think also of Scandinavian countries where grandma is in the sauna with daddy and the daughter and son; nekked. And before anyone goes off on a tirade on these practices just remember how strange "we" look to "them".
Here is a urinal in the open-air in Amsterdam, Holland circa 1990.
I'm thinking other cultures are not as hung-up on sexuality and body functions as we are.
Think also of Scandinavian countries where grandma is in the sauna with daddy and the daughter and son; nekked. And before anyone goes off on a tirade on these practices just remember how strange "we" look to "them".
Another reminder that sexuality is not necessarily a bad thing.
A tribute to Homosexuals also in Amsterdam, Holland circa 1990.
Can you just picture this in the USA? In some little-@$$ bible-thumping town in the south, especially.
Big country. Small minds.
A tribute to Homosexuals also in Amsterdam, Holland circa 1990.
Can you just picture this in the USA? In some little-@$$ bible-thumping town in the south, especially.
Big country. Small minds.
RE: CRAIGING in Europe
I can address this with some experience behind me....Craiging is not exclusively American although it is predominantly American. European airports are somewhat infamous for Craiging although it isn't something you would typically find in European malls, stores, libraries and such. I've spent a good portion of my life living abroad and rarely was Craiging on the local menu. Most countries offer bars, baths, restaurants, parks, beaches, neighborhoods and generally open life to Gay men. The homophobic atmosphere of America is one reason so many Gay men and women travel abroad, to escape the pervasive insanity of homophobia. I came out when I was barely 15 years old and living in Rio de Janeiro. "Coming out" isn't really appropriate as I just sort of morphed into what I was/am. From Rio I moved to Amsterdam [duh] then to Tel Aviv. Tel Aviv was the most wild Gay sub culture I had ever seen and today, Tel Aviv is one of the Gayest places around. I currently split my time between here and Tel Aviv and the only place I sense any repression at all is right here, in the land of the free and the brave.
I can address this with some experience behind me....Craiging is not exclusively American although it is predominantly American. European airports are somewhat infamous for Craiging although it isn't something you would typically find in European malls, stores, libraries and such. I've spent a good portion of my life living abroad and rarely was Craiging on the local menu. Most countries offer bars, baths, restaurants, parks, beaches, neighborhoods and generally open life to Gay men. The homophobic atmosphere of America is one reason so many Gay men and women travel abroad, to escape the pervasive insanity of homophobia. I came out when I was barely 15 years old and living in Rio de Janeiro. "Coming out" isn't really appropriate as I just sort of morphed into what I was/am. From Rio I moved to Amsterdam [duh] then to Tel Aviv. Tel Aviv was the most wild Gay sub culture I had ever seen and today, Tel Aviv is one of the Gayest places around. I currently split my time between here and Tel Aviv and the only place I sense any repression at all is right here, in the land of the free and the brave.
andrewinorlando
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Somehow, none of that surprises me. At all. I know we've come a long way here, but we still have a long way to go.
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"Senator Harriet Craig"
lol, ive been thinking along the same lines myself...
lol, ive been thinking along the same lines myself...
Those open air pissoirs make so much sense. I don't think even Larry Craig would attempt a liaison in one of those. When I was much younger, the bane of my life was finding a public restroom to take a piss when I was on bicycle or bus. Nowadays San Francisco has these ridiculously fancy and expensive street john, which are sort of snail shaped but have locking doors. Naturally, I think some have abused the service but what else is new? And it seems more often than not they are "out of service". Not to mention the BART restrooms, which are also usually out of service. So I'm happy I have a 2 mile commute and a big secluded garden at home ;-)
www.PublicToilets.org
*WOW* a whole bunch of listings exist as to where to drain the one-eyed lizard.
*WOW* a whole bunch of listings exist as to where to drain the one-eyed lizard.
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irishwashguy
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WOW! Now I have seen everything!!
A public toilet website and the history of public toilets, who knew anyone was watching and keeping track till now? I love the internet!
Gene, i am really glad that you decided to be brave and coome out to yourself.i know that is not easy.I for many years thought that I could work it or will it away just like i did with smoking. Believe me, when I want something bad enough, i always go after it. I really wanted to be straight, I finally figured out after three years at BYU and the Evergreen group( to help you over your gay problem group) group at school that i was never going to be straight, and I became ok with that. I came out with one of my roomates, we were both return missionaries, i from Michgan, and my roomate, who i met on gAOL in a chat room, who served a Spanish mission in Texas. It was great to have that support built in at home. Now I would never want to lie to myself again about being gay, my family was great about it, the Mormon church wasn't, although. i would still like to snag a return missionary sometime.You have been with your guy for 33 years, wow! That in and of itself is amazing! What is it like living in Idaho as a gay person? Does everyone think that now that Larry Craig is out in the open that he will do it again? I think that he will, he will just be more careful or maybe pay Jeff Gannon again, ooops did I say that out loud???!!!
A public toilet website and the history of public toilets, who knew anyone was watching and keeping track till now? I love the internet!
Gene, i am really glad that you decided to be brave and coome out to yourself.i know that is not easy.I for many years thought that I could work it or will it away just like i did with smoking. Believe me, when I want something bad enough, i always go after it. I really wanted to be straight, I finally figured out after three years at BYU and the Evergreen group( to help you over your gay problem group) group at school that i was never going to be straight, and I became ok with that. I came out with one of my roomates, we were both return missionaries, i from Michgan, and my roomate, who i met on gAOL in a chat room, who served a Spanish mission in Texas. It was great to have that support built in at home. Now I would never want to lie to myself again about being gay, my family was great about it, the Mormon church wasn't, although. i would still like to snag a return missionary sometime.You have been with your guy for 33 years, wow! That in and of itself is amazing! What is it like living in Idaho as a gay person? Does everyone think that now that Larry Craig is out in the open that he will do it again? I think that he will, he will just be more careful or maybe pay Jeff Gannon again, ooops did I say that out loud???!!!
