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<span style="font-size: medium;">Some of you may recall I purchased this fan a few months ago</span>

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<span style="font-size: medium;">A Toastmaster Mod. 5301-1. Well the motor is dead, and I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get a replacement. I suspect this fan was manufactured for Toastmaster by McGraw Electric.  Any info would be appreciated. </span>

 



 



 



 

 

 
 
Perfect site for you to visit

The Antique Fan Collectors Association is a wonderful club with a great website that I am sure you will find helpful. They have a buy/sell/trade section and I have been lucky every time I have had questions like yours.
 
Hey Don I haven't seen you post here in a while

good to see that your still a member I hope all is well with you.....PAT COFFEY
 
I kind of doubt the motor is actually "dead". I would first try wiring a new cord directly to the motor leads, bypassing the switch. I would imagine you have a bad switch or bad wiring. I am a member of the AFCA forums and DT Vintage Fans forums, and I am sure somebody there would be willing to help you out.
 
Is the AFCA site the one with all the tight-ass rules, and the one that makes you become a dues paying member before you can access any of their forums?
 
Hey thanks guys!

 

<span style="font-size: medium;">I became a member last night of the AFCA. I want to try the motor directly, bypassing the switch as suggested by Dustin, but the paper wrapping the coils has disintegrated. Can it be tried without the paper? I know next to nothing about electric motors. Thanks again!</span>
 
<span style="font-size: medium;">Hey Pat, have you forgotten something?</span>
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As long as you only have 2 wires coming out of the windings, you can carefully attach a known good cord directly to the wires, but be careful to not pull them out, that is why the paper tape was originally there- to keep the leads from being pulled out, and to reduce vibration of the windings. The tape usually deteriorates over time from heat. Are the windings a bright coppery or reddish color and the tape beige or light brown? If the windings or tape are blackened (from overheating, caused by internal shorts), there really isn't much point in testing it, the motor is fried. In that case, I would try to track down a parts fan. It is definitely worth fixing in any case though. I tried to reply to your post on the AFCA forum, but my membership has expired, and I can only reply to my own posts...
 
Yes, it has to be soldered exactly where it broke off- the windings are one continuous copper wire, and in your case, with a single speed motor, it has two "poles"- one on each side, one side is hooked up to the hot wire of the cord, and the other side to the neutral, which causes a magnetic field between the poles, causing the rotor (and fan blade) to spin. Are you able to disassemble the fan and remove the motor from the housing?
 
 

<span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: medium;">U</span>pdate, I cleaned it with compressed air, oiled it then<span style="font-size: medium;"> </span>connected the leads directly and tied the winding, first with electrician's tape, it started right up, but noisily,  then it started to smoke and the tape melted. I then tried plastic zip ties, ran quieter, but still smoked after 2 minutes<span style="font-size: medium;">, however the ties did not melt but the tape to one of the leads has. A wire cap is next.</span></span>

 



 



 



 

<span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: medium;">W</span>hile quieter on the second test, still made a lot of noise. Sorta like a whining sound, like the motor was not turning, but in this case it is.The shaft turns smoothly.
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Did you solder the lead wires onto the motor leads? If not, that would explain the tape melting, it did not have a good connection and was arcing. On the second picture that shows the zip ties on the windings, by the lower zip tie, is that area of the winding darkened, or is that where tape melted onto it? Your noise issue sounds like an alignment issue or a bad bearing. With the motor assembled, try moving the shaft side to side and up and down. Can you feel a clicking movement? It is normal to have front to back movement, but up/down/ side to side means your bearings (usually the front bearing) are bad. As for the smoking, have you been running it with the blade on? These motors need airflow over them to keep them cool, because the tend to run hot anyway. Does it run really fast? a 2 pole motor should run very fast, if not, you have a lubrication or binding issue.
 
 

Well my dad decided to tinker with the fan this morning, it continued to smoke and now the lower part of the winding has darkened. The leads were cleaned and attached but not soldered. The dark area you saw originally was tape that had melted. I have not run it with the  fan attached. The shaft moves easily when off and very fast when on. I'll have to check on whether there's movement side to side to see if the bearings are bad.  I suppose if the bearings are bad that would be it for the fan. 

 

Thanks Dustin!
 
can't tell in the pics how the coils are connected-usually they are in series,if you have them in parallel they will heat right up.if just one of the coils is heating while connected in series there are shorted turns in the coil and rewind will be needed if you choose to return the fan to working order-probably time for"static display" in that case...
 
 

<span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="font-size: medium;">Thanks for all your help guys, I'm sorry I took so long. Well the fan is no more. My dad tinkered with it and the motor went POP and died. So I'm back to square one. I know it's not a fancy or desirable fan, but I'd like to fix it still. How can I go about replacing the motor? It seems riveted to the housing. Thanks in advance for any advice. </span></span>
 
If you have the fan broken down to where it is in the pictures above, and the motor is confirmed dead, take the motor off of the base (should be a bolt through the neck holding it on and acting as the up/down pivot). Any of this style of fan I have encountered has had the stator friction fit into the housing, although some have been tighter than others. Reach through the middle of the stator where the rotor would normally be, and with even pressure on each side, PULL. If that doesn't work, put the entire motor in your freezer, right next to the frozen peas, and leave it for maybe an hour or so until it is good and cold. Take it out, and heat it with a hairdryer on high for a bit, aiming more at the outer area of the motor, and try to remove the stator in the same way as before... PULL. You may need to wiggle it a bit, but freezing it will shrink the parts ever so slightly, and the heat from the hairdryer will cause the housing to expand faster than the stator, causing it to loosen.
 

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