If you had $900.00 to buy one today, which one would you buy and why?
Todays Dishwashers
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This is strange. I love my GE TT, cleans great every time. In fact if I were to move I'd take it with me. Prior to getting this model I bought a Whirlpool, had it about a month and I actually PAID Sears to take it back - pos.
Inlet presure should have no effect on performance, so the only variable I can see is water temperature. I keep the water HOT, 140+ and during the winter it's always hot due to my furnace humidifier. I use an Aprilaire humidifier that is mounted on the cold air return and the only way to get humidity up around 40% is to use hot water. Perhaps that's the key.
Inlet presure should have no effect on performance, so the only variable I can see is water temperature. I keep the water HOT, 140+ and during the winter it's always hot due to my furnace humidifier. I use an Aprilaire humidifier that is mounted on the cold air return and the only way to get humidity up around 40% is to use hot water. Perhaps that's the key.
Terry, maybe you could bake a cake and put that in each time you run it - that ought to trip the turbidity sensor into thinking the load is really nasty and it will run for longer times. For smaller loads, you could just use a cupcake ;-)
I can't wait to play with your GE in a few weeks - I'll bring the cake and frozen pizza (ala Maytag commercials) and we'll make a video for YouTube!
I can't wait to play with your GE in a few weeks - I'll bring the cake and frozen pizza (ala Maytag commercials) and we'll make a video for YouTube!
Asko or Miele.
I had an Asko 1585 and it was a good performer - stellar, actually and it's still in use at my parent's after 8 years.
I'm getting ready to buy a new dishwasher for the kitchen and it's down to the these two machines. I don't see the Miele prices being worth the fuss - $2000+ for the TOL model is just a little out of reach for rational people on a budget ;-)
I had an Asko 1585 and it was a good performer - stellar, actually and it's still in use at my parent's after 8 years.
I'm getting ready to buy a new dishwasher for the kitchen and it's down to the these two machines. I don't see the Miele prices being worth the fuss - $2000+ for the TOL model is just a little out of reach for rational people on a budget ;-)
maytagbear
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I'd go with
a machine from a brand I know to be reliable, like GE. I have had my Nautilus since 2005, and love it even more now. I also would think twice about spending much more than 650.00.
I like the Asko, but it does have a fairly dismal repair record according to CR's reader survey. Miele? They are lovely, but, I would be nervous.
Just my .02
Lawrence/Maytagbear
a machine from a brand I know to be reliable, like GE. I have had my Nautilus since 2005, and love it even more now. I also would think twice about spending much more than 650.00.
I like the Asko, but it does have a fairly dismal repair record according to CR's reader survey. Miele? They are lovely, but, I would be nervous.
Just my .02
Lawrence/Maytagbear
panthera
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A thought:
Miele has replacement parts going back to the 1950's. B/S/H will help if they can, but only carry parts for eight years.
American firms, as we have so often read here, could not care less if they tried - you bought it, it is your lemon if it breaks one day out of warranty.
I would suggest a vintage KitchenAide or used Miele. There are so many 'new rich' out there who replace their whole kitchen every year or so, with a bit of looking you are bound to find a Miele for relatively nothing.
There are no bad Mieles, tho' the newest US models are somewhat
dumbed down.
Miele has replacement parts going back to the 1950's. B/S/H will help if they can, but only carry parts for eight years.
American firms, as we have so often read here, could not care less if they tried - you bought it, it is your lemon if it breaks one day out of warranty.
I would suggest a vintage KitchenAide or used Miele. There are so many 'new rich' out there who replace their whole kitchen every year or so, with a bit of looking you are bound to find a Miele for relatively nothing.
There are no bad Mieles, tho' the newest US models are somewhat
dumbed down.
andrewinorlando
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Any of the MOL or TOL GE Tall Tubs. You won't be disappointed. You don't even have to spend $900 if you don't really want to.
I loved my Miele in our last house. Stoopid stoopid me should have removed it and put in a junker when we put the house up for sale but that's water under the bridge now. Anyways $900 won't buy a Miele around here they're always over a grand on up to 2 grand. Mine was a "show special", a bunch of machines brought in to co-incide with the annual "Home & Garden" show at the exhibition grounds though I bought it at the dealer after the show. It seems a lot for a dishwasher, heck it is alot of money for a dishwasher BUT it was worth it I think just for the silence and great cleaning. Besides it's one of those "out there" things that are nice to have.. sort of like getting a real Harley instead of a Goldwing LOL Me has the Goldwing but wouldn't mind the Harley LOL
Think hard about the Goldwing-Harley comparison...
There is a reason some bike mechanics call them Hardly Ablesons. I mean, if Harley made an airplane would you fly in it? I would take a Goldwing over any Harley any day of the week.
Sorry for the threadjack, but I think the priciple is sound: buy the engineering, not the marketing.
There is a reason some bike mechanics call them Hardly Ablesons. I mean, if Harley made an airplane would you fly in it? I would take a Goldwing over any Harley any day of the week.
Sorry for the threadjack, but I think the priciple is sound: buy the engineering, not the marketing.
brisnat81
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For $900AUD
An entry level Miele over anything else.
Otherwise I'd spend less and buy a basic Simpson, or a mid range Electrolux.
An entry level Miele over anything else.
Otherwise I'd spend less and buy a basic Simpson, or a mid range Electrolux.
I'd buy my TOL tall-tub Maytag with stainless steel interior again in a heartbeat! Fantastic cleaning, even with pots/pans; the most versatile loading I've ever encountered (this is an especially important feature for me, as I wash a lot of very large, odd-sized pots/pans/cookware. Not as quiet as a Bosch, Asko or Miele, but certainly not noisy, either.
laundromat
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GE Triton,excelent dishwasher
toploader55
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I don't know
You're all going to think that I am crazy, but I like High water usage machines. I have had no trouble with my kenmore(akaKenwhirl) My landlord has a Milele turbo deluxe, and it runs for 2 hours. My Kenwhirl runs for 45- 60 minutes,and maybe uses 1.5-2.5 more gallons of water than the Miele. I have checked out Whirlpool and Kenmore and I really like those machines. I just can't justify spending $1200+ dollars for a machine that will not only become obslete in a few years, but c'mon we're washing dishes here. I think the dish drawer is a joke,it's just some vogue thing to have in your kitchen. The ones I have looked at could not a Stock Pot in them.I know a man that installed the Fisher Paykel Drawers in his house and they are always in need of repair and He finds them useless. I would look at a tall tub,3 spray arms, and larger ports in the spray arms. You won't have to have the fear of clogging, and you know there will be some washing action going on in the chamber. I know the high end machines clean well, but I could think of alot of other things to do with $1200+ dollars then say I have a top of the line machine.
I love the sound of all my machines grinding away and splashing water to a good rhythem. I'm old fashion and I just love that.If you spend $600.00 +... and find a machine you like, that way when 6-7 years down the road there will be something better you could upgrade to. All I need is 2-3 more Vintage machines and I'll be set for the next 30 years and I'll be dead listening to the sound of a vintage KD2-P washing my last load !!!! Wow what a eulogy
I think it's all in the racking. If you look at the washarms and spin them notice the jet pattern on both of the racks. As long as the spray gets to a dish or what ever, it's probably going to hit that item 4-5 hundred times in a cycle. the more water the better in my book. As you're rotating the arms concentrate on the left side of the rack. If the spray doesn't hit a particular item on 1/2 a stroke, notice if it hits that spot when the other side of the washarm passes. It should. If not, it's a lousy spray design.
You're all going to think that I am crazy, but I like High water usage machines. I have had no trouble with my kenmore(akaKenwhirl) My landlord has a Milele turbo deluxe, and it runs for 2 hours. My Kenwhirl runs for 45- 60 minutes,and maybe uses 1.5-2.5 more gallons of water than the Miele. I have checked out Whirlpool and Kenmore and I really like those machines. I just can't justify spending $1200+ dollars for a machine that will not only become obslete in a few years, but c'mon we're washing dishes here. I think the dish drawer is a joke,it's just some vogue thing to have in your kitchen. The ones I have looked at could not a Stock Pot in them.I know a man that installed the Fisher Paykel Drawers in his house and they are always in need of repair and He finds them useless. I would look at a tall tub,3 spray arms, and larger ports in the spray arms. You won't have to have the fear of clogging, and you know there will be some washing action going on in the chamber. I know the high end machines clean well, but I could think of alot of other things to do with $1200+ dollars then say I have a top of the line machine.
I love the sound of all my machines grinding away and splashing water to a good rhythem. I'm old fashion and I just love that.If you spend $600.00 +... and find a machine you like, that way when 6-7 years down the road there will be something better you could upgrade to. All I need is 2-3 more Vintage machines and I'll be set for the next 30 years and I'll be dead listening to the sound of a vintage KD2-P washing my last load !!!! Wow what a eulogy
I think it's all in the racking. If you look at the washarms and spin them notice the jet pattern on both of the racks. As long as the spray gets to a dish or what ever, it's probably going to hit that item 4-5 hundred times in a cycle. the more water the better in my book. As you're rotating the arms concentrate on the left side of the rack. If the spray doesn't hit a particular item on 1/2 a stroke, notice if it hits that spot when the other side of the washarm passes. It should. If not, it's a lousy spray design.
toploader55
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By the way,,,,,,
I had a horrible expierience with a Maytag 4 years ago. 6 repairs in 4 months. And the machine still was horrible.
I had a horrible expierience with a Maytag 4 years ago. 6 repairs in 4 months. And the machine still was horrible.
nmaineman36
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We had the Fisher and Paykel dishdrawers and from experience with what we had...after 3 years it decided to give us problems. I kinda liked it but in practicality they are not for people that cook alot like I do and to get good cleaning I would always use the Heavy cycle. I had expected the Drawers at least to last more than 3 years for the price we paid for it...$1300. They sure are nice to look at though...but thats about it.
I have to agree with Greg that $2000 is a bit much for a dishwasher and we choked when we heard the price of my Miele LaPerla. But in all honestly it was worth it. I find myself using most of the features that it has to offer. I use the Normal cycle and the Heavy or Intensive cycle with an the optional Soak. Never would have thought that having a soak cycle option would do such a great job on the grungiest pots and pans and dishes. I use the Miele dishwasher tabs and when i put one in the dispenser close the lid and start the machine I know that when I come back to the dishwasher.. its nothing but shine...spotless glasses and dishes so clean that it rivals anything I have ever used.
I have to agree with Greg that $2000 is a bit much for a dishwasher and we choked when we heard the price of my Miele LaPerla. But in all honestly it was worth it. I find myself using most of the features that it has to offer. I use the Normal cycle and the Heavy or Intensive cycle with an the optional Soak. Never would have thought that having a soak cycle option would do such a great job on the grungiest pots and pans and dishes. I use the Miele dishwasher tabs and when i put one in the dispenser close the lid and start the machine I know that when I come back to the dishwasher.. its nothing but shine...spotless glasses and dishes so clean that it rivals anything I have ever used.
launderess
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We Have A Humble
Kenmore (made by Frigidaire) 18" job, that is about 7 years old. Nothing fancy but gets the job done. Really also cannot see the virtue of spending 2K or so on a dishwasher, when many lower priced models will do the job just as well.
Dishwasher noise is not a huge issue for moi, as the unit is normally run when the household retires for the night. Yes, am sure it is quite nice to have a dw that speaks several languages, and or has more cycles than Carter's has liver pills, but in the end I'd rather have a simple older dw that gets the job done in about 45 minutes to an hour, than a fancy schmancy unit loaded down with every doodad thinkable, yet takes 2-3 hours to finish.
L.
Kenmore (made by Frigidaire) 18" job, that is about 7 years old. Nothing fancy but gets the job done. Really also cannot see the virtue of spending 2K or so on a dishwasher, when many lower priced models will do the job just as well.
Dishwasher noise is not a huge issue for moi, as the unit is normally run when the household retires for the night. Yes, am sure it is quite nice to have a dw that speaks several languages, and or has more cycles than Carter's has liver pills, but in the end I'd rather have a simple older dw that gets the job done in about 45 minutes to an hour, than a fancy schmancy unit loaded down with every doodad thinkable, yet takes 2-3 hours to finish.
L.
The reason why I ask
I have my mother's Kenmore dishwasher in the basement all cleaned up which the door is white with black panel.
It's a little yellow on the plastic but that comes with age....Model #665.15821690.
Overall the cleaning performance is excellent and a water hog when I used it years ago and it was two or three doors down from TOL.
Right now it needs the bottom panel to be replaced and a new drain hose. so this is where I stand.
Do I want a quiet machine that make you think that things are getting clean when it not? A La POS Frigidaire?
Or that throaty Whoosh of this Kenmore?
Below was my fathers Frigidaire that could not wash Spinach, Oatmeal or Cream of Wheat from a pot on the top rack....
I have my mother's Kenmore dishwasher in the basement all cleaned up which the door is white with black panel.
It's a little yellow on the plastic but that comes with age....Model #665.15821690.
Overall the cleaning performance is excellent and a water hog when I used it years ago and it was two or three doors down from TOL.
Right now it needs the bottom panel to be replaced and a new drain hose. so this is where I stand.
Do I want a quiet machine that make you think that things are getting clean when it not? A La POS Frigidaire?
Or that throaty Whoosh of this Kenmore?
Below was my fathers Frigidaire that could not wash Spinach, Oatmeal or Cream of Wheat from a pot on the top rack....
What is that on the floor?
Water during the wash cycle?
Frigidaire will never get another dollar from me or my family because of this.....
Water during the wash cycle?
Frigidaire will never get another dollar from me or my family because of this.....
My Kenmore Elite tall-tub washes cereal bowls which have been used to cook 3-minute oatmeal in the nuker and also used to eat said meal from. The bowls may sit for 4-7 days. Cascade Complete and Smart Wash gets the job done.
My eyes are set on two Kenmore's.
One is a tall tub and the other is a Giant tub, the both are on sale before the 25th and need to make up my mind very, very soon.
I'm really leaning towards the giant tub design because it's a little more fully featured!
If not able to view, here's the model numbers:
Brand Kenmore Elite Kenmore Elite
--------------- Item # 02216309000-----------------02213439000
Mfr. Model ----------------- #1630 --------------------- #1343
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/Compare?...309000P&partNumber_2=02213439000P&prodCount=2
One is a tall tub and the other is a Giant tub, the both are on sale before the 25th and need to make up my mind very, very soon.
I'm really leaning towards the giant tub design because it's a little more fully featured!
If not able to view, here's the model numbers:
Brand Kenmore Elite Kenmore Elite
--------------- Item # 02216309000-----------------02213439000
Mfr. Model ----------------- #1630 --------------------- #1343
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/Compare?...309000P&partNumber_2=02213439000P&prodCount=2
Bosch
I would buy a Bosch again. I've been using one for five years, bought new when we moved, and have had no problems. Gets everything sparkly clean, and is very quiet. A big plus for me is the water heater under the tub. With no element inside the tub you can put plastics on the bottom rack. You can get the simpler models without all of the bells and whistles (which is what I have) for around $600.
I would buy a Bosch again. I've been using one for five years, bought new when we moved, and have had no problems. Gets everything sparkly clean, and is very quiet. A big plus for me is the water heater under the tub. With no element inside the tub you can put plastics on the bottom rack. You can get the simpler models without all of the bells and whistles (which is what I have) for around $600.
pturo
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I have to say a tall tub Maytag is really a good buy. It's loading capacity/flexibility is outstanding and that makes is really efficent since it washes more dishes and larger pot's and pans that would have to be done by hand, wasting hot water at the sink. A total stainless inside and outside Kitchen Aide is the tall tub TOL.
Larry, I have the 2213789000. The 2216309 above is the Bosch made Kenmore Elite. It's on close-out because Sears will no longer source this model for themselves now that they have the UltraWash HE filtration system (with the filter like the Bosch) instead of the soft food (in my case it gobbles up lots more than crumbs) disposer. I love mine and have been extremely pleased with it.
I have looked at the Bosch and the Kenmore and the both looked the same.
I may be wrong but the both have the same foot pattern.
KitchenAid looks like a plain Jane too me and I've seen the GE Profile with the SS tub with the one month dispenser which is very impressive.
Maytag is a big no because of Whirlpool teething pain dealing with so many suppliers.
I may be wrong but the both have the same foot pattern.
KitchenAid looks like a plain Jane too me and I've seen the GE Profile with the SS tub with the one month dispenser which is very impressive.
Maytag is a big no because of Whirlpool teething pain dealing with so many suppliers.
Bob,
the Kenmore HE uses no more than 5 cups of water in one of their dishwasher on display that it was too quiet for my likings.
Will it clean? I just don't know!?!
I will go back Sears and check it out again.....
the Kenmore HE uses no more than 5 cups of water in one of their dishwasher on display that it was too quiet for my likings.
Will it clean? I just don't know!?!
I will go back Sears and check it out again.....
Larry, I wasn't really recommending the Kenmore HE, just haven't seen enough reviews and comments on them yet to begin to get an opinion. Of the 3 Whirlpool cousins (Kenmore, KA, and WP), I will say Kenmore even surpassed my expectations for a TT machine. I'd chose it over it's KA cousin and also the WP. I don't like the utensil basket in the door. The Bosch-made Kenmore and the Bosch are the same foot print. Take some dishes along to see how they fit if ya can. My new Elite's racks keep things more stable in the racks .than my PotScrubber ever did
Love my GE
I love my MOL GE Tall Tub. Bottom rack can be completely flat and top rack can be close to flat too, a big plus for me. The average cycle is about 60 minutes with options for a speed cycle 38 minutes! Great for average dirty dishes. Cleans great, very rare to take something out that isn't perfectly clean. I HATE Stainless interiors and the model I got came either way, I saved $150 and got the white tub.
I'm curious why so many here love stainless. To me it's like putting dishes in a dark pit, it doesn't improve washing action, does not retain heat as well and can be noisier. Don't see any positives in that list.
I love my MOL GE Tall Tub. Bottom rack can be completely flat and top rack can be close to flat too, a big plus for me. The average cycle is about 60 minutes with options for a speed cycle 38 minutes! Great for average dirty dishes. Cleans great, very rare to take something out that isn't perfectly clean. I HATE Stainless interiors and the model I got came either way, I saved $150 and got the white tub.
I'm curious why so many here love stainless. To me it's like putting dishes in a dark pit, it doesn't improve washing action, does not retain heat as well and can be noisier. Don't see any positives in that list.
launderess
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With the cost and environmental concerns, SS has replaced enameled porcelain over metal in most dishwashers. One still finds lower end units with plastic tubs, but increasingly MOL and even BOL dishwasher tubs are becoming stainless steel. It looks more upmarket and allows a higher price, well in theory at least.
SS also does not discolour the way plastic and some porcelain coated tubs can, and is impervious to rust and damage from strong caustic chemicals. Mind you porcelain tubs from some top dishwasher brand names like KA and such back in the day often lasted 15 years or more.
Even top loading washing machines have moved to either plastic tubs on BOL and MOL units, and SS for high end units for the most part. Again porcelian coating is expensive to do well, and when it is not done well one chip starts a rusting process that will just grow over time.
SS also does not discolour the way plastic and some porcelain coated tubs can, and is impervious to rust and damage from strong caustic chemicals. Mind you porcelain tubs from some top dishwasher brand names like KA and such back in the day often lasted 15 years or more.
Even top loading washing machines have moved to either plastic tubs on BOL and MOL units, and SS for high end units for the most part. Again porcelian coating is expensive to do well, and when it is not done well one chip starts a rusting process that will just grow over time.
toggleswitch
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I wonder where the yellow went?
...and moving away from plastique and porcelain means one can dump vinegar, lemon, (& salad dressings with same) tomato sauce etc right in without fear of damage to the finsih or the color of the wash-tank.
BTW a cool dry in platique models forestalls the yellowing. An occasional bout with bleach OR a plastics whitener/brightenr helps too.
http://www.cascadeclean.com/sites/en_US/cascade/products/booster.shtml
...and moving away from plastique and porcelain means one can dump vinegar, lemon, (& salad dressings with same) tomato sauce etc right in without fear of damage to the finsih or the color of the wash-tank.
BTW a cool dry in platique models forestalls the yellowing. An occasional bout with bleach OR a plastics whitener/brightenr helps too.
http://www.cascadeclean.com/sites/en_US/cascade/products/booster.shtml
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