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It was pouring

I was on my way to work this morning at 5:15 and it was raining cats and dogs. Apparently the Tornado Watch expired at 5 am but we were still under a T-Storm Warning IIRC. Columbia got pummeled with 1 inch diameter hail and there was a tornado spotted in California (small town 20 mins west of Jefferson City.) I just got off the phone with Andy, and it is strange we both agree that Southwest MO gets hit more often with severe weather
 
There were tornadoes in Wisconsin last night, which, as has been pointed out from others, is just not what normally happens up here in January! In the southwest corner of Minnesota, we're in our 4th day of a January thaw; again, not normal.
 
not complaining...

I don't mind the cold so much, its winter and goes with living in this part of the country.
I dislike the snow more, I think because of the way my association handles the removal of it--They don't!
It could snow all it wants, and as long as I can get my driveway clean and have some clean sidewalks to walk Jack on, I'd be ok with it all.
At least with all the snow melted, and the rain the salt is all gone from the roads. I can get the car washed and it will look nice for more than 10 minutes!
 
I just discovered today that the strong winds knocked a limb off the maple tree in our front yard, fell onto the back of my car and bent the antenna.

Is Al Gore right and we're taking global warming for granted?
 
How big would Al Gore's carbon footprint be, I wonder? Now, folks, something good always comes of something bad. The warmer it is, the less you'll need to heat, therefore reducing your carbon footprint. Isn't that a good thing? Of course if your house gets sucked into the stratosphere, well, that's freaky.

I am a 'global warming' skeptic, especially when it comes to all the hype and tripe that is being passed off as science-fact. 'Maybe and might, could be, possibly, perhaps' are not the language of science-fact, nor should they be taken as such. As Toggles already suggested - 'normal' is a setting on your washer and it ain't necessarily customary. As much as we loathe and try to resist it, change is part of the course and mother nature follows her own rules.

Now, for anyone out there, who can scientifically prove that human activity is causing catastrophic global warming - there is a $150,000 prize to be won, just follow the attached link. I know Al Gore is very rich and has very big feet, though, since he knows so much about 'global warming' - claiming that prize to put us sceptics in our place ought to be a trifle for him. Then again he is probably too busy polishing his Nobel prize.

It's nice and warm where I am - hope you all stay cozy.

Cheers

Rapunzel

 
Actually, anyone who knows anything about science knows that it's all about theory, for science is constantly evolving.

As for "hype and tripe", most of that is coming from the corporate scientists who are financed by the oil companies.

My thought is this: even if global warming is bunk (which I don't think it is) the idea behind reducing greenhouse gases makes perfect sense: Not only are the products that causes these gases causing warming, they are also causing a host of diseases, and helping fund terrorism. Why not move beyond nineteenth century technology?

But there are always those ostriches who never let facts get between their head and the sand. Thankfully, we have people like Gore, who have the courage and intelligence to stand up to that crowd.
 
dalangdon

If science is constantly evolving, how come we are stuck with the same shrill dooomsday propaganda and no actual scientific debate on this issue? If it is all so legitimate, why is there a need to shout down and patronize people with alternative viewpoints? Especially within the scientific fraternity.

In my view, that already speaks volumes about the quality of information that underpins the message.

I find it fascinating how people are so willing to buy into a concept which has the same factual accuracy of a coin flip. Billions of (taxpayer's) dollars are being committed to what end? Why don't we commit to real, factual issues, in the same way and with the same sense of moral superiority?

By the way I am not an ostrich and I do have the courage to stand up to people like you.

Cheers
 
Rapunzel, the debate happened thirty years ago. You missed it.

There's broad consensus in the scientific community that climate change in happening - even Bush admits that. There's also consensus that human activity has contributed to it, if not caused it outright, and that we need to take some corrective action.

It is a "real factual issue", and the trouble is that billions of taxpayer dollars have *not* been committed to it. We hem and haw, largely due to corporate controlled scientists and right-wing media personalities. These folks are the moral descendants of the scientists Philip Morris employed a generation ago to tell us that smoking was good for you, even though the company knew it was dangerous.

You're entitled to believe whatever you want to believe - no one is "shouting you down", and if you imagine that you're somehow "standing up to me" (when we're merely having a disagreement) that's your right. But there's no need to act like a victim just because someone challenges an assertion you made.
 
Science is about facts. Politics is about consensus, which is where a lot of people, even some scientists, seem to get confused about this issue. Btw, 30 years ago they were also talking about global cooling. If there is a right wing conspiracy to keep the truth from us, there is also a left-wing conspiracy doing exactly the same. For your info, I don't belong to either camp. As I pointed out before, the message sucks because the premise on which it is based is largely nonsense.

Now, if you know more than I do, go forth and claim the money - it is a legitimate competition and yours for the taking. All you have to do is reach out.

Cheers
 
Rapunzel, I did a little research into your contest. I found this interesting information about the contest's sponsoring website (junkscience.com)

According to sourcewatch.org (a project of the Center for Media and Democracy) junkscience.com is....

"A website maintained by Steven J. Milloy, an adjunct scholar with the Cato Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute - right wing think tanks with long histories of denying environmental problems at the behest of the corporations which fund them. Milloy is also a columnist for FoxNews.com."

The article goes on. I thought this was interesting:

"Prior to launching the JunkScience.com, Milloy worked for Jim Tozzi's Multinational Business Services, the Philip Morris tobacco company's primary lobbyist in Washington with respect to the issue of secondhand cigarette smoke. He subsequently went to work for The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), a Philip Morris front group created by the PR firm of APCO Worldwide."

and there's this:

"Although Milloy frequently represent himself as an expert on scientific matters, he is not a scientist himself. He holds a bachelor's degree in Natural Sciences, a law degree and a master's degree in biostatistics. He has never published original research in peer-reviewed scientific journals. Moreover, he has made scientific claims himself that have no basis in actual research."

Somehow I don't think he'd be the best person to fairly judge who should win $150k for that proving global warming exists.

The entire article, with references and footnotes, can be found at the link.

 
OIL AS A DRIVING AGENT TO OUR ECONOMY has made us helpless and vulnerable to the politics in the Middle East. If we import no oil from that region, let them throw sand at each other, they will have no economy, and US intrests will treat them the same as we care about Bangladesh or Ruwanda or Cuba. Do you think if Cuba had billions of gallons of oil, it woudl not be s suburb of Miami by now. They are an evil empire that has nothing we need. A few schekels for charity, but we can't control the whole world. WHEN OIL IS OUT OF THE EQUASION, THE MIDDLE EAST IS OUT OF THE EQUASION, SO LETS DISINFRACHISE THESE PEOPLE BY NOT BUYING OIL IF IT COMES FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. I need product labeling on my gas pump, I wanna know where the oil came from. I get it at Macy's when I buy a T-shirt, made in China. I want choice in what country I support when I buy gas, and I want disclosure.
 
Thank you for all that information dalangdon

Aha, Milloy holds a bachelor of natural science and master of biostats? Who knew, he actually has a brain. So what qualifications did Al Gore bring to climate change? That's right, he is a media-savvy lawyer/politician with money and connections in Hollywood. I also read somewhere that the Center for Media and Democracy was a left leaning organization bent on discrediting conservative writers. Now, ask me if I actually give a stuff.

Fair dinkum! o_O
 
...and back to my original point about Ostriches and facts.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Anytime someone resorts to the old "Hollywood Elite" argument, I know it's time to pack up my knitting and move on. But just remember: We're all in the same boat on this issue. We can't afford to get it wrong. Wouldn't the conservative approach be to do everything we can to make sure we aren't doing permanent damage to our environment? Wouldn't it make political sense to ween ourselves from oil and clean up our coal powered power production?
 

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