Trivia Question: Extra Rinse Switch

[mrb627]

Over the years, several manufacturer's have offered extra/second rinse switched models in their lineup. So, the question is, which models included an unusual pause between the end of spin and start of second rinse fill and which didn't?

I suspect most models with a definite increment advance went right to business while machines with a gradual 'constant' advance included a pause before rinse fill began on the second rinse.

Thoughts?

Malcolm

 

[turquoisedude]

GE

It's been a while since I had one, but I seem to remember the 70s GE Filter-Flo that I had paused the way you describe Malcolm. Come to think of it, I think the last Filter-Flo I bought for my father around 1986 did that, too.

 

[DADoES]

 
Norgetag has a pause while the timer advances through "off."

 

[yogitunes]

that always bugged me, and still does, as to why FilterFlos have a pause after every spin before starting the fill for any rinse....seems like wasted time

 

[gefilterflo]

My 1992 Filterflo with the extra rinse that is a part of the "Extra Clean Cycles" does pause like Paul recalls.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

My filter-flo model is similar of the Tony's one and always pause after a spin before starting filling water....except in the PP knits cycle, when the spray rinse never stops and keep running water till the end of spin eventually filling tub for rinse... (to keep pp wet and avoid creases)..
I am now wondering what happens if I switch warm rinse in the knits cycle, never tried, it probably will fill cold only as the cycle is not meant to fill warm water because of PP crease settling with a warm rinse followed by the spin...
Also Tony, your machine has the same cycles of mine, but as pointed out in another thread running now, in my machine in the extra cleaning cycle you have the heavy soil setting much far from the normal soil...in your machine they looks as close as they're in the regular cycle...[this post was last edited: 4/13/2014-14:18]

 

[kenmoreguy89]

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[appnut]

On my 1977 GE Filter Flo, the pause between spin and fill was much longer as the timer progressed through the "off" section and on to the 2nd rinse than the pause between the spin after the wash and the 1st (or main) rinse fill. Masrtin, the Maytags with the timer the advanced every 45 second (as opposed to the gradual advance) had a 1 increment of pause between the spin after the wash and the beginning of the rinse fill.

 

[imperial70]

The Speed Queen of today pauses.

 

[abcomatic]

I had a 1993 Kitchen Aid and no pause between final spin and 2nd. rinse.

 

[jeb]

second rinse

I had a GE from late 70's. It would start running at different times without being started ( because it was in the basement it would startle you at odd times to hear it kick on ). It turned out the valve had a leak that would take a few days to fill the washer. once the pressure switch was satisfied, it would start the second rinse if it was selected or not. Jeb

 

[bajaespuma]

I never knew another brand of washer that had as many built-in pauses as perforated tub Filter-Flo's. Our 1962 V-12 had a 1 minute and 45 second pause between Wash agitation and the first spin with 4 bizarre clicks and pings that I now know were the metal tabs in the timer being tweaked by the cogs and, yes, I timed it once. There was a long pause between the first spin and the rinse fill, then another long noisy pause between rinse agitation and final spin.  As a young kid, I used to hold the lid open as high as it would go without activating the safety switch and listen for the series of those noises. I knew that 10 seconds after the last delicate "ping", spin would start and boy was it loud on that machine.

 

The next Filter-Flo we had, which was a 1973 machine also included a gratuitous pause between the rinse fill and the rinse agitation. You could hear the pressure switch "ping" when the water reached its pre-set level, but then the machine would just wait for about a minute before agitation kicked-in. WTF?There was no unusual pause, however between the 2nd spin period and the extra-rinse cycle that I was aware of. I must assume, now with what I've learned from some of your threads here that it has to do with how the timers for these machines were manufactured. All later FF's seemed to do that. Now, wouldn't you think that would be a defect worth reporting on for a magazine like Consumer's Reports???

 

One of the things I loved about the 1958 Frigidaire Unimatic Custom Imperial that came with a house my Parents bought in the Hudson Valley, was that there were absolutely no pauses between anything. That washer went straight from the overflow at the end of the wash and rinse cycle into a high-speed spin and then would start filling for the rinse cycle while the tub was winding down. No wasted time with that machine!

 

[kenmore71]

Some (but not all) of the reason for those pauses came from machines that had reversing mechanisms vs. solenoid operated drive mechanisms.  If the mechanism has to reverse, the motor had to come to a complete stop before it could be reversed.  On older incremental timers this meant that the pause would be 1 increment between agitate and spin.  On Maytags from the 60s & 70s this was either 30, 45 or 60 seconds depending on the timer design. I have no idea why there would be an engineering need for a pause between spin and fill OR between fill and agitate, though.

 

Most of the WP/KM belt drive machines just chug on from one function to another with no pause whatsoever.  On my 1970 70 if have have the second rinse selected it starts filling as soon as the motor shuts off from the spin.  The only pauses that I notice on the BD machines is in the case of a warm rinse fill that fills the tub up before the 2-minute timer increment.  The machine does pause there until the two minutes is up.  I am sure there are exceptions on BD machines, but on the whole they move directly from one function to another.

 

The Maytag AMP machines were the same way.  Since the spin function was solenoid operated it went directly from agitate to spin.  In fact on some of those machines the mechanism is so powerful that it actually makes a clanking sound that almost sounds like someone ringing a fight bell!

 

[philr]

On my 1965 Frigidaire Rollermatic and on my 1977 1-18, there's a pause between the dry portion of the firts rinse and the extra rinse and there's also a pause between the soak and wash. These are required to allow the timer motor to stop at "OFF" if the automatic advance from a cycle to another isn't selected.

Now one thing I always wondered is why there's a pause during the fill portions of the cycle of my 1969 Frigidaire dishwasher! I can't find an explanation for that, it fills for a while, stops, fills again and then starts to wash or rinse.

 

[tomturbomatic]

GE's long pauses

GE used constantly moving timers and had to advance from the contacts for the previous phase of the cycle through a neutral or off period before energizing the next set of contacts to avoid arcing. This is what gave the long pauses and was also an opportunity for the motor to be at a full stop before starting up in the reverse direction which came through the next set of contacts. Our Mobile Maid dishwashers did the same thing for the same reason.

 

[yogitunes]

congrats always went to Maytag with their rapid advance timers, the pauses between agitate and spin were like 3 to 4 seconds.....enough time for the motor to stop, and reverse...

even the digital ones were quick, in the blink of an eye, it stopped one, and then started another..

those pauses, no matter how long, seemed like eternity.....

 

[barcoboy]

Jeb's story got me wondering if my Canadian Filter-Flo did the same thing, so I did a little test. I filled the tub to the medium water level setting, then kept advancing the timer near the end of the spin cycle until I found the last increment in the cycle where the motor doesn't run but the timer motor still does. Upon hitting that increment, I waited for the next increment click and the timer motor to stop, then I turned the water level switch down to low to satisfy the switch... low and behold (no pun intended), the timer motor started up again and carried on to the extra rinse.

Now the interesting part.

I thought to myself... will the timer behave the same way at the end of every cycle? So I repeated the test but caught the last increment in the spin of the Permanent Press cycle and waited for the click and timer stop. Sure enough, when I turned the water level to low, the timer motor started up again and advanced into the Delicate cycle! Same thing at the end of the spin of the Delicate cycle advancing into Normal, and at the end of the Extra Rinse advancing into Permanent Press. So theoretically, if I were to disconnect the wiring harness from the motor, I could start a fill, and after the fill completed, the timer motor would start and never stop! I'm almost tempted to try this.

 

[akronman]

1975 Kenmore

there's no pause. Believed to be same timer as used in 1974. The instant the first rinse spinning motor stops, the water starts to refill for the second rinse.

 

[imperial70]

I wish speedqueen

had the sense to make their extra rinse happen straight after the final spin. One has to wait for the timer to advance through the off section.