hooverkeymatic
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aquarius8000 - I was saying that they both have a possibility of exploding as they are probably made the same.
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exactly...
Sorry for if I have bad english, or anything, but just my last one..
You understood correct, 1 in 1000.
About proofs, I can't go any further than this, people for Candy said they've sent e-mails, if they are lying, I am lying to you too, but I don't think they are lying personally, the rest is up to you
Dex
and sorry because I edited my detaily explained comment into that you can see now, that may sound bad, and make some people angtry, but I really lost energy on obviously pointless "defence", and what I wanted now is to tell what I honestly felt (love it or not), and escape such conversations for ever
Sorry for if I have bad english, or anything, but just my last one..
You understood correct, 1 in 1000.
About proofs, I can't go any further than this, people for Candy said they've sent e-mails, if they are lying, I am lying to you too, but I don't think they are lying personally, the rest is up to you
Dex
and sorry because I edited my detaily explained comment into that you can see now, that may sound bad, and make some people angtry, but I really lost energy on obviously pointless "defence", and what I wanted now is to tell what I honestly felt (love it or not), and escape such conversations for ever
aeg03
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nrones
I think its great that you got to visit the Candy factory. Did U get to look at the whole firm? Is the Head Office there too?
I think its great that you got to visit the Candy factory. Did U get to look at the whole firm? Is the Head Office there too?
arbilab
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Sorry, that assembly should NEVER have failed, much less as many times as it did. It should have been overdesigned by 150% like any assembly whose failure causes a hazard because of the amount of energy it contains. That's just good engineering practice. Which is getting harder and harder to find.
What's perhaps more surprising is that the Crown hasn't come down on them. Euro generally having more stringent consumer regulations than US. Or why anyone would buy a potential bomb once the potential is exposed. I should rather think that by their shoddy engineering and lackadaisical response to the issue, Candy/Hoover/Electrolux/Hotpoint or however that web of chicanery assembles itself, would be blacklisted completely off the continent.
Yes I know that's harsh but I'm an engineer and I don't well tolerate shoddiness, especially when it threatens people and property.
What's perhaps more surprising is that the Crown hasn't come down on them. Euro generally having more stringent consumer regulations than US. Or why anyone would buy a potential bomb once the potential is exposed. I should rather think that by their shoddy engineering and lackadaisical response to the issue, Candy/Hoover/Electrolux/Hotpoint or however that web of chicanery assembles itself, would be blacklisted completely off the continent.
Yes I know that's harsh but I'm an engineer and I don't well tolerate shoddiness, especially when it threatens people and property.
Beko...
Actually, the Beko recall was on appliances built between 2000 and 2006. Some of the current model numbers are the same, but are not affected according to information.
This recall info has been posted in all the national press, as far as I know, which given the numbers involved was the only real option to them.
http://refsafety.beko.co.uk/
Actually, the Beko recall was on appliances built between 2000 and 2006. Some of the current model numbers are the same, but are not affected according to information.
This recall info has been posted in all the national press, as far as I know, which given the numbers involved was the only real option to them.
http://refsafety.beko.co.uk/
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arbilab,
You aren't harsh at all! The drums should, and are made 150% for their needed strength, but those affected ones were caused by more someone's programming rather than engineering fail.. that's why, even with welding thing cooled down, affected drums couldn't blow at 1200rpm or less, only 1400 and 1600rpm.
Aeg03,
Yes, there are Head offices, and export/import for the whole work, aswell as R&D laboratorries, projection rooms, assembling part, and warehouses (in which were around 80.000 units of Washers, WD's amd dishwashers waiting to be exported
)
Fl1012,
In UK only, Candy did an "inside" recall, because they have an amazing net, and that over 95% of bought units in UK is registered online, as they are being adviced to do it both in store, or on stamp that is on machine.. In Germany, where it isn't like that, they announced it on the website, it was repeated on TV, and newspaper. Also, for another proof, I use Candy's securiflame story (fetatured in 1 of those threads). I've tried to get an e-mail that Candy sent to those neighbors in London, however neighbor is a bit old fashioned, doesn't realise that Gmail lets like 7000mails memory, so she still deletes them :O
Now, when I see you mentioned Toyota and "head in the sand", I quite see your point, but then, it seems you weren't aware of the thing that is in the link..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14091737
arbilab,
You aren't harsh at all! The drums should, and are made 150% for their needed strength, but those affected ones were caused by more someone's programming rather than engineering fail.. that's why, even with welding thing cooled down, affected drums couldn't blow at 1200rpm or less, only 1400 and 1600rpm.
Aeg03,
Yes, there are Head offices, and export/import for the whole work, aswell as R&D laboratorries, projection rooms, assembling part, and warehouses (in which were around 80.000 units of Washers, WD's amd dishwashers waiting to be exported
)Fl1012,
In UK only, Candy did an "inside" recall, because they have an amazing net, and that over 95% of bought units in UK is registered online, as they are being adviced to do it both in store, or on stamp that is on machine.. In Germany, where it isn't like that, they announced it on the website, it was repeated on TV, and newspaper. Also, for another proof, I use Candy's securiflame story (fetatured in 1 of those threads). I've tried to get an e-mail that Candy sent to those neighbors in London, however neighbor is a bit old fashioned, doesn't realise that Gmail lets like 7000mails memory, so she still deletes them :O
Now, when I see you mentioned Toyota and "head in the sand", I quite see your point, but then, it seems you weren't aware of the thing that is in the link..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14091737
arbilab
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Nrones, I don't understand how it is possible to program a machine for a speed it isn't built for. And 150% of 1200 is 1800, the machine isn't capable of that even if it didn't explode trying.
Catastrophic appliance failure is unheard of in the US. Catastrophic as in destroys itself, threatens life and limb, burns the house down. We make lots of rubbish products that break down every full moon but they don't attack us.
Catastrophic appliance failure is unheard of in the US. Catastrophic as in destroys itself, threatens life and limb, burns the house down. We make lots of rubbish products that break down every full moon but they don't attack us.
nrones.....
Thanks for the further explanation, I appreciate it. It sounds like Candy have possibly done more to alert & ressure the public in Germany than they have in the UK. I appreciate they might've been able to do an internal recall in the UK using sales information, but for anyone they might've missed it doesn't appear theyve done any newspaper adverts to alert people, or anything similar, hence why there are people still using faulty machines.
dascot
Thanks for clearing up the Beko issue - i was sure it wasn't recent models that were affected and your link confirms that the youngest model is 5 years old. Not perfect by a long strech, but i havn't seen Candy/Hoover behaving anywhere near as responsibly as Beko therefore my money would be on Beko anyday. Particularly since Candy/Hoover are more established & should easily know better.
Liam
Thanks for the further explanation, I appreciate it. It sounds like Candy have possibly done more to alert & ressure the public in Germany than they have in the UK. I appreciate they might've been able to do an internal recall in the UK using sales information, but for anyone they might've missed it doesn't appear theyve done any newspaper adverts to alert people, or anything similar, hence why there are people still using faulty machines.
dascot
Thanks for clearing up the Beko issue - i was sure it wasn't recent models that were affected and your link confirms that the youngest model is 5 years old. Not perfect by a long strech, but i havn't seen Candy/Hoover behaving anywhere near as responsibly as Beko therefore my money would be on Beko anyday. Particularly since Candy/Hoover are more established & should easily know better.
Liam
Are you sure you checked my link?
FL1012..
Let's say Candy started exploding in January 2010 (it started later, but I don't want someone to say i am shortening it up..), in Germany there was all in public, in UK it was done off publicity, but it was done! There were articles about that in Which, and some newspaper too..
This woman's (link) fridge made a fire in 2007.. London Fire Brigade told beko that they had something around 20 cases of their fridges burning down people's home (from 2007 till APRIL 2010).. Man DIED (NOVEMBER 2010), and then finally recall at APRIL 2010!!
If Candy copied Beko, then a recall would start somewhere between 2012 and 2013...
Dex
P.S
Horray!! We are having 2 active threads about this fun fun fun -.-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14091737
FL1012..
Let's say Candy started exploding in January 2010 (it started later, but I don't want someone to say i am shortening it up..), in Germany there was all in public, in UK it was done off publicity, but it was done! There were articles about that in Which, and some newspaper too..
This woman's (link) fridge made a fire in 2007.. London Fire Brigade told beko that they had something around 20 cases of their fridges burning down people's home (from 2007 till APRIL 2010).. Man DIED (NOVEMBER 2010), and then finally recall at APRIL 2010!!
If Candy copied Beko, then a recall would start somewhere between 2012 and 2013...
Dex
P.S
Horray!! We are having 2 active threads about this
fun fun fun -.-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14091737
aquacycle
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again....
I love how people are legitimising Candy's lack of action and defending back manufacturing by just bitching about other brands. If somebody says "Candy machines exploding is not acceptable" you can't argue back with "well Beko fridges set fire so neeeerrr". That's not really a valid argument, is it?
I love how people are legitimising Candy's lack of action and defending back manufacturing by just bitching about other brands. If somebody says "Candy machines exploding is not acceptable" you can't argue back with "well Beko fridges set fire so neeeerrr". That's not really a valid argument, is it?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.... too
It should have never happened.
My point:
Making your oppineon - ok, Informing people - ok, but making 9 or 10 thrads about SAME happening, about SAME brand?? Why?
Also the funniest thing is that any info that comes for "defence" is being forgotten, and each thread gets new comments (with same complaints) no matter what.. example: "thousands of machines" or "it can kill"
And now, specially for you, since you seem to be one who "learns" those kids how to "use" this forum (where I totally agree with you in that case), and from the other side you are replying on 2 SAME threads that are BOTH active just because of the manner of that.. if say, Aquarius8000 made a same thread as one still active, he would be well judged by now (and he'd deserve it)...
Dex
It should have never happened.
My point:
Making your oppineon - ok, Informing people - ok, but making 9 or 10 thrads about SAME happening, about SAME brand?? Why?
Also the funniest thing is that any info that comes for "defence" is being forgotten, and each thread gets new comments (with same complaints) no matter what.. example: "thousands of machines" or "it can kill"
And now, specially for you, since you seem to be one who "learns" those kids how to "use" this forum (where I totally agree with you in that case), and from the other side you are replying on 2 SAME threads that are BOTH active just because of the manner of that.. if say, Aquarius8000 made a same thread as one still active, he would be well judged by now (and he'd deserve it)...
Dex
aquacycle
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You're right about the 2 posts on the same topic. However, there's still no hiding from the fact that all you've done is attempt to defend Candy by highlighting the errors of another company! And as I said, that's hardly a valid defence!
Sorry, I'm mixing threads
Now that I read the whole thread up, I get it, and I'm sorry about that. I just got confused.. It now started to confuse me that whole number of threads, I don't know what was written were..
The reason I wrote that is because I read a lot of comments like this:
Bad Candy, Shame Candy - Look how responsible Beko is..
that was why I wrote "how responsible...", but now I realize it even wasn't on this thread, so sorry again really
Dex
Now that I read the whole thread up, I get it, and I'm sorry about that. I just got confused.. It now started to confuse me that whole number of threads, I don't know what was written were..
The reason I wrote that is because I read a lot of comments like this:
Bad Candy, Shame Candy - Look how responsible Beko is..
that was why I wrote "how responsible...", but now I realize it even wasn't on this thread, so sorry again really
Dex
aquacycle
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^Oooh right, I'm with you now! Sorry about the misunderstanding. I must have missed a post or 2 by mistake, I thought you'd simply argued that "this happened to Candy, but this happened to Beko, so it's ok". I understand what you meant now. And I agree, both Beko AND Candy should have done something...should be DOING something. But as always, it's all about the money. Sad times
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