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i know there were severl vacuum collectors at the convention and was wondering who i could ask a question about the age of a machine? i found a really cool hoover mod# 28 at an estate sale this weekend for 2.50 and after a good cleaning its fine..its such a cute machine but id love to know how old it is.. im guessin in the 40s maybe.. thanks chris
 
Model 28

A classic and long runner-post war, so from mid to late forties until about 1951-2 when the 29 came out, a machine almost in a class by itself. The 28 was the "Popular" priced model and sold an incredible amount. Again, our Hoover historian Jeff Parker can give the statistics. Here is one of my 28's (shamefully with a major replacement bag) next to the 29, 63 and 64.
 
Model 28

Chris,
Model 28 was manufactured from May 1946 to May 1950, when it was "officially" replaced by model 29. It remained quietly in production after that for a couple of years and was only available as a commercial machine.
Model 28 was known as the "popular price" cleaner, selling for $69.50, plus another $18 for the tools. It came out just as the servicemen were all coming home from the war, and sold like gangbusters. With over 897,000 produced, this was the biggest selling single model Hoover had up to that point.
There are still alot of them left too, and in use.
Congrats on a great find!
Jeff
 
Yikes! That Replacement Bag is Awful!

OK, it's got to go. I'll either find a decent original (very hard to do) or make one up. Better brush up on my sewing skills!

Fred
 
Those Hoovers are wonderful Fred, while I've seen the brown models before I didn't realize they came in Red, White and Blue too!
 
Model 29 and 63 Bags

The model 29 was a dump-out bag (I got a little confused by the term dumpster). The first real paper bag Hoover was the Model 61 (keep me honest here Jeff) or it may have been the 60. The first paper bags were referred to as Handi-Sacs and could be emptied from the top which opened and was sealed with a metal clip. The 63 was the first (I believe) to have the narrower type C bags used for years after that.

Fred
 
Hoover bags

The first Hoover with the paper bag was the 1940 model 60, and it featured the reusable "hygenisac" later known as the Handisac. Airway sued Hoover over the Hygenisac, as they had a patent on the paper bag. Hoover got out of it because their bag was reusable.
Models 60-61-62 used the Hygenisac. Dumpout bags were optional for models 60 and 61.
The first model to use what we now know as TYPE C bags was the 1953 model 63.
Good job Fred!
 
Rare Hoover Option for the 28

Fred and Jeff,

I will post pictures here later that show the unusual but correct Hoover optional Handisac disposable bag that was available for the 28 and almost any Hoover that took the same round bag fitting. I know you both saw it in Chicago in 2004. When I got it from Brother Christopher I thought Mike Rogers would fall over. He knew it was an option from Hoover and after many years in the vacuum business had never seen one, (except in Hoover literature if I remember correctly), until it was brought in at the convention.

I am really grateful that I was in the right place at the right time and now have it. I can move it from a 150 to the 450 to the 28 and any other round opening bagged Hoover. And, it is wonderful to be able to use those vintage machines with a Hoover sanctioned disposable bag!

Love this talk about Hoovers!
 
28's handisac option

Charlie,
rare doesen't even describe how rare the GENUINE 28 conversion bag is.
I remember that cleaner from the 2004 convention.
Strangely enough, there was just one on ebay last week, went for over $100!
Looking forward to the pics
Jeff
 
Our

Jeff,
I wanted to show you the Electrolux G that Tania and I have joint custody of. She is a beauty and works well. I know you are a die hard Hoover man but you have to admit, that is a nice vintage Lux.
 
Charlie, I thought all 28's had the cloth dump bag...WOW!!! I remember seeing a similar part on eBay and wondered why it ended so high. LOVE the colors on the Model G...I'm drooling already!

My absolute favorite 'Lux has to be the Hospital G, with that ultra-cool filter in the back. I heard those machines were near-silent in operation...an already quiet machine to begin with made even quieter!!

Those Type W/Handisac reusable paper bags are neat as well. How many uses do you typically expect out of these before you toss them?
 
wah hoo

gees thanks for all the info...im rather impressed with all of your vacs..they are fantastic...so what i need to know now is where can i find a new cloth bag and does anyone know where or who would sell that really cool disposable bag option?..thats really cool..but id be happy to find an new cloth bag..any ideas?
 
Cloth and Disposable Bags

Original bags for these machines (pre-1960) are almost impossible to find unless you find a vac dealer with really old NOS stuff. These bags would have been one of the first things replaced after the brushes and belt. Those old cloth bags took a real beating. Later they had bojack replacement bags. So finding an original is literally impossible.

If you are a good sewer and are creative, you can create a replica from a good yardgoods store, some heat transfer tape and a little sewing. I saw a model 29 bag sewed by RJ Vanik, the current President of the VCCC. To the untrained eye, you would never know it wasn't original. Most people don't want to go to that trouble, except for us perfectionists.
 
Lux and bags

Charlie that is one beauty of a Lux, and I'd say my favorite of the older style Lux models.

Cloth bags: you can still get bojak replacement bags for the older cleaners, but they are becoming more and more rare. If you go in a vac shop today, as for Hoover 913/918 bags, which will fit all the older pre-Convertible cleaners.
 
Model 61

I realized as I scanned this post that my line-up of 29-60 series machine was missing an important one that I have. I picked up a rebuilt Model 61 Hoover on Ventura Blvd. in Encino California, down the street from where I lived. This machine was rebuilt for commercial use and for sale in a small vac shop. It was like new, and I couldn't pass it up. We can't figure out if the chrome is original, since these machines were painted in the brown color. It had the bojack replacement bag now on the 28 above (to be replaced!) The original bag on this one was from another 61 that I picked up along the way. Uses the W Handisacs which aren't made anymore, but you can still find them every once in a while.

This was the Deluxe Model out at the same time as the "Popular Priced" Model 28. A perfect match for my 53 and 51 Aero-Dynes. Upstairs on the first floor, ready to vacuum!
 
Joint Custody Lux

Charlie is that about 1962-64 vintage? My Grandmother purchased one of those in the early sixties, I remember
being so impressed with power head. She also had this rather large accessory unit that must have been for polishing wood
and linoleum floors, a large single brush disk iirc. And guess what else she drove in 1965?!!! (pillerless 4 door!)
 
Bag life and Lux in the 60's

Austin,

Depending on how you use the vacuum and what you picking up has a large bearing on the bag life of the Handi-Sacs. They are made of wood pulp cellulose paper and were made to be reused. Since I use mine rarely they get an unusually extended long life! According to the Hoover manuals, (correct if I'm wrong Jeff), was 2-5 about right. You would remove the bag at the metal tube base, then take it outside or put it over an open newspaper and remove the metal clip at the top and empty the bag.

Once emptied, you would put the metal clip back in place at the top of the bag and slide it back onto the metal spring clamp just above round metal tube attached to the bag flange and you were good to go again.

I'm sure if you were vacuuming large amounts of sand, metal shavings and anything else that would damage the bag, you may have to look it over carefully to determine if was good to go.

Frontoloadotmy,

Yes, those would be aprox. the correct years. The turoquoise G may have gone through 1966 as I think the tan G was launched in 1967. Correct me anyone if I am wrong.

Austin,

One last note---------when I was a young man we had an Automatic F until that fortunate day the Electrolux saleman came to our house and I insisted that Mother get the turoquise G. Well, about two years later, the same Electrolux salesman came calling and I was home from school and we ended up with a Hopital G in turoquise. My Mother and her cleaning person were not sure why the change was made but they adapted! My Mother always insisted on a canister and an upright so in addition to the Hospital G we had a Hoover 28, then a Kirby Dual 80 and lastly the Hoover, (I think), model 1076 in yellow.

I'm including a picture here that shows how the hose attached to the G with a special plastic clip to keep the hose from turning so the pigtail cord would not come disconnected to the body of the vacuum. Many of these hoses that have survived do not have the clip or they are broken due to age or use.
 
I have a Hoover 28 with the "Handisac" outer bag and two "Handisacs"They are quite effective.I would think the bag life would also hinge upon if you picked up a lot of flour,face powder,plaster dust or ash-these fine items would clog the paper pores.Then you would have to replace the bag.One of my Handisacs is still in its package-was not going to use it.
 
Fun thread - great pics guys!

Fred, that chrome 61 is a trip! Was it actually plated with chrome or did they remove the orginal paint and polish the metal? Amazing! It certainly gives it a whole different look, maybe I should have had the entire 57 Frigidaire Control Tower chromed instead of just the panel parts!
 
This *IS* a fun thread!

I better be careful though...every time I wolf-whistle at these Hoovers and Elextroluxes (Electroli?) my Kirby's shoot a dirty look! The Legend growled at me when I walked by, and it was not even plugged in.

Chris, it's awesome that you got a Hoover 28! You still need a Kirby though -- with Handi-Butler, Flexi-Shaft, and buffing pad attached, to spiff up the kids :-)

When do we get a pic of your '28? I'm anxious to see it! Fred, I'm with Greg -- that chrome one is a trip. But I'm always a sucker for a suckers shine!

Cheers,

John
 
Now tell me all about Water Matics

Because.. I was just out and about less than two hours ago, stopped in at the Mennonite Thrift Store and there one was..lovely turquoise with the turquoise cloth hose, almost the same color as the hose Charlie has posted 2 above this. I know noting about them and have never seen one before. I got the attachment box with it as well but haven't gone through it all yet. I'm waiting till I get my camera back working with my printer/scanner. I do know that it's like a Rainbow, you put water in there..LOL and that's all.
didn't see anything on a web search... Experts..anyone with knowledge.
 
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