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Sounds like the point is being missed. Those parts will last 20 to 30 years unlike most other modern machines so price becomes irrelevant. On a modern machine where those parts will fail one after another after only 3-5 years the high cost becomes a major factor needing consideration. BTW, the timer, belt ect is cheaper than the control boards on many modern front loads... 

 

This statement is false as well.   I will say, the transmission will last likely 30 years, as long as it never gets wet.  Timers fail, and they fail at a much higher rate than controls.   Id bet you a dollar that the failure rate of Speed queen's timers vs. their electronic controls is somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 to 1.  As in they will see 100 mechanical timer failures before they see 1 electronic control failure.   Further, timers cost around $100, and I've seen some as high as $200.  They are definitely not cheap.   You are right, Speed Queen belts are cheaper than LG front load belts. ;)
 
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Progress is just a feel good term, one which I see it for what it is. Cars use more gas today on average than they did in the 50s and 60s. While gas motors have become more efficient the cars themselves have become a lot larger. Families went from Chevy Impalas to decked out climate controlled mini vans. 

 

This statement has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard.  If you truly believe this, then there is no point having any type of conversation with you.  Please click the EDIT button and delete it.  Internet lurkers will stumble upon this site and read something like this.  It will completely invalidate all the good information on this website ,and make all of  us on here looks like a bunch of  crazies. 

And the longevity you mention. That was in the 1900s. The cars in the 50s and 60s did not break down every other day with care.  


 

Cars even through the early 90's required oil every 3k, spark plugs every 5k, Trans fluid flush every 30k.  All that and the car was essentially scrap at 100k miles.  My last ford truck went 138k on the original spark plugs. (2004 model). 

 

And the best performer is?

 

At the moment the Koreans are holding that trophy. 

 

 
 
"This statement is false as well. I will say, the transmission will last likely 30 years, as long as it never gets wet. Timers fail, and they fail at a much higher rate than controls. Id bet you a dollar that the failure rate of Speed queen's timers vs. their electronic controls is somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 to 1. As in they will see 100 mechanical timer failures before they see 1 electronic control failure. Further, timers cost around $100, and I've seen some as high as $200. They are definitely not cheap. You are right, Speed Queen belts are cheaper than LG front load belts. ;)"

Ahh, Speed Queen to Speed Queen. Lets see a Speed Queen next to an LG, Frigidaire or Whirlpool... And yes I know timers cost $100. Control boards... a bit higher. And when it comes to DW things like this were unheard of with mechanical controls:

http://www.kitchenaidfire.com/p53.html

"This statement has to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. If you truly believe this, then there is no point having any type of conversation with you. Please click the EDIT button and delete it. Internet lurkers will stumble upon this site and read something like this. It will completely invalidate all the good information on this website ,and make all of us on here looks like a bunch of crazies."

You are acting like you know nothing about politics or the real world. How many times have you heard the word progress only to see something become a total wreck? Its best not go further as it will derail the thread... but Id like more substance rather than empty disparaging.

"Cars even through the early 90's required oil every 3k, spark plugs every 5k, Trans fluid flush every 30k. All that and the car was essentially scrap at 100k miles. My last ford truck went 138k on the original spark plugs. (2004 model).



At the moment the Koreans are holding that trophy."

No matter what, modern machines will not last 30 years with daily use. It just isn't going to happen.
 
 
<blockquote>No matter what, modern machines will not last 30 years with daily use. It just isn't going to happen.</blockquote> Beginning at what year of market or production is considered a modern appliance?[this post was last edited: 8/9/2016-03:36]
 
 
<blockquote>Place bets on a Belt Driven Whirlpool/Maytag/Filter Flo vs anything none Speed Queen. You tell me what will cost more to maintain in that period of time. What will last before needing any part changed?</blockquote> Compare classic belt-drive Whirlpool of 1986 and earlier, Filter-Flo, and/or helical-drive Maytag to anything "modern" that's non-Speed Queen for a period of 30-years use?
 
From a real world experience as a service technician i am in about 150 homes each month. I see very few appliances that are 10 or more years old. And I am talking about all the appliances in the home not just what I am repairing. When I first started in 1990 I was repairing appliances in the 15 to 20+ years. Now more than 75% each day are no more than 5. I'm not claiming this to be a scientific study just what I see every day. So without any doubt something has changed. But I think that several reasons are involved in people's decisions to replace much more often than in the past. Focusing only on washers since that is the topic of this thread most people are hesitant to exceed $300 in repairs. On modern high efficiency models (FL or TL) a bearing or board failure will usually exceed what the customer will pay. Very often the customer will state that " I really never liked this washer anyway so I'll just get a new one". We can argue that the customer just isn't educated in how to use modern machines but my real world experience is that people are often unsatisfied with performance. High eff machines have been around a long time now so how long is it supposed to take for people to "learn" how to use them. How do you explain the quick rise in Speed Queen sales. 10 years ago very few people ever heard the name. They are selling $900 basic TL washers in a world where much less can buy a much fancier machine. Remember that in the entire market SQ sales are still a small part of the total but I am amazed at how many I see out in the field. Ask yourself the question if the public is so happy with HE machines why are major manufactures placing so much emphasis lately on how much water they use as opposed to how much they save. Is there a current Whirlpool TL product that doesn't have a "deep water wash"? Much of the in store promotional material focuses on more and more water. They must be hearing or feeling something from the consumer.
 
"Compare classic belt-drive Whirlpool of 1986 and earlier, Filter-Flo, and/or helical-drive Maytag to anything "modern" that's non-Speed Queen for a period of 30-years use?"

Yes. The modern guys will start falling apart by 5-8 years, the rest at 12 minimum, 15, 20, 30.
 
"The only machine that I think has a fighting chance of going 30 years with NO repair is the Dependable care (Newton) maytag. Even that is a stretch"

Excluding the basics like a belt, the chance is very good and I know of family owned Maytag dealers who can say the same. I am not talking about small repairs and never have been, but rather pricey ones or major over hauls.

"From a real world experience as a service technician i am in about 150 homes each month. I see very few appliances that are 10 or more years old. And I am talking about all the appliances in the home not just what I am repairing. When I first started in 1990 I was repairing appliances in the 15 to 20+ years. Now more than 75% each day are no more than 5. I'm not claiming this to be a scientific study just what I see every day. So without any doubt something has changed."

Id say its three things:

1. All the machines capable of surviving 20 years have hit their end of life. Longevity peaked in the 70s and 80s IMHO, on average through the industry. So if you had a 1989 machine that could go 20 years in 2016 it would already be 27 years old.

2. When something minor does fail like a motor coupler, the trend is to replace it.

3. People are tossing about perfectly good appliances in the name of energy efficiency. I know of plenty of folks who got rid of their perfectly good DD to get a front load or impeller.

"But I think that several reasons are involved in people's decisions to replace much more often than in the past. Focusing only on washers since that is the topic of this thread most people are hesitant to exceed $300 in repairs. On modern high efficiency models (FL or TL) a bearing or board failure will usually exceed what the customer will pay. Very often the customer will state that " I really never liked this washer anyway so I'll just get a new one". We can argue that the customer just isn't educated in how to use modern machines but my real world experience is that people are often unsatisfied with performance."

I agree with everything you said here. Yes part is of it mis-use, but lets face it:
you will never mimic a front load with an impeller and US front loads themselves are still evolving. While smaller, European front loads are light years ahead of the game, as well as their detergents. Our detergents are still stuck in the top load arena and are being minimally modified to fit front load nitch.

"High eff machines have been around a long time now so how long is it supposed to take for people to "learn" how to use them. How do you explain the quick rise in Speed Queen sales. 10 years ago very few people ever heard the name. They are selling $900 basic TL washers in a world where much less can buy a much fancier machine. Remember that in the entire market SQ sales are still a small part of the total but I am amazed at how many I see out in the field. Ask yourself the question if the public is so happy with HE machines why are major manufactures placing so much emphasis lately on how much water they use as opposed to how much they save. Is there a current Whirlpool TL product that doesn't have a "deep water wash"? Much of the in store promotional material focuses on more and more water. They must be hearing or feeling something from the consumer."

Because customers are being mislead, abused and manipulated by our government and the manufactures that bend over in submission. Water saving and electricity usage isn't about the environment, its about not having to upgrade a 100 year old infrastructure. One must ask how come America, the most powerful, educated and resourceful country on earth for decades choose top loads over front loads when the technology was in place for both. I know I will get flack for saying this, but Id go on a limb and say Europe went with front loads due to minimal infrastructure, economic and raw material resources which has plagued them for decades. For example, after WWII the UK started to use ring mains for their power sockets. Not because ring mains are somehow superior, but because they saved on copper. The UK had a massive material resource shortage after WII necessitating savings over all else, where as the US could built cities and not blink an eye. In fact in the 60s and 70s many US sky scrappers did not even have switches because electricity was so cheap. If we invested in our best minds and built more of what we lack water, electricity and the rest would practically be free at no cost to the environment.
 
 
The 1962 Whirlpool toploader that "grew-up" my family was replaced at 15 years and had *many* repairs during that time.  Belt, wig-wag, brush filter deteriorated, pump leak, water valve flood, mercury lid switch bracket rusted off, motor centrifugal start switch sticking, bakelite agitator cracked, centerpost bearings & spin tube replaced.  The bearings were bad again which is what led to the machine being retired.

It's 7 years older than the 2006 "modern" trigger-point ... but my 1999 Fisher & Paykel (with three computer boards) has had only the pump replaced in 2011.  It was handed-down to the grandmother, then sister, now nephew is using it.
 
Threads on this website have become nothing more than glorified conservative vs. progressive political debates. If I wanted to see people who deny that climate change is real, deny that water and energy consumption IS an issue, and claim that anything "new" or "modern" is bad and a "conspiracy against good ol' Americans" and a piece of junk, I'd go to Facebook. There's plenty of that there with Trump supporters and republicans running amok.

It seems one can't even come to AW anymore without the constant battle between the Speed Queen extremists and everyone else. I thought the intent of the Deluxe forum was to be able to talk about new machines in peace without a decades old washing machine with a primitive single-post agitator and spin drain being crammed down our throats. If the Speed Queen design is your cup of tea, that's completely your right and your opinion, but it's been proven countless times in countless ways why there are modern front loaders AND top loaders that run absolute circles around them, in cleaning performance, capacity, and resource efficiency. It has been tested, the numbers are on paper. Let. It. Rest.
 

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