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[phillymatt53]

Would you settle for a Johnny Cab

LOL!

 

[vacerator]

Re; shift quadrants and "Total Recall" A few of the cars in the movie were real GM show car prototypes. Until 1962. reverse was at the bottom on GM's except the Chevrolet 2 speed Powerglide and the Turboglide which had hill retard. It was a failure. The torque converter vanes moved for the correct ratio of fluid flow. The Rotohydramatic used by the B.O.P. divisions had dual pumps. They could be push started, but first gear was long and drawn out. The fluid sump had to empty to the second gear chamber which resulted in a lurching thud into second.

 

[phillymatt53]

Re; shift quadrants and "Total Recall" A few of the cars in the movie were real GM show car prototypes. Until 1962. reverse was at the bottom on GM's except the Chevrolet 2 speed Powerglide and the Turboglide which had hill retard. It was a failure. The torque converter vanes moved for the correct ratio of fluid flow. The Rotohydramatic used by the B.O.P. divisions had dual pumps. They could be push started, but first gear was long and drawn out. The fluid sump had to empty to the second gear chamber which resulted in a lurching thud into second.

There's a modification that I had done on the transmission of my Lincoln back in 2005.
Originally, the transmission had a sloppy and noisy bearing in the torque converter, that was repaired.
I also wanted that shift mod done, set of springs that improve the shifting response time, making for a smoother shift.
And wow!..... that car felt like a whole nother vehicle.
Well worth the cost to have done.

 

[vacerator]

I was referring to automated signals on roads, and intersections not the vehicle indicators.

 

[ea56]

Re; shift quadrants and "Total Recall" A few of the cars in the movie were real GM show car prototypes. Until 1962. reverse was at the bottom on GM's except the Chevrolet 2 speed Powerglide and the Turboglide which had hill retard. It was a failure. The torque converter vanes moved for the correct ratio of fluid flow. The Rotohydramatic used by the B.O.P. divisions had dual pumps. They could be push started, but first gear was long and drawn out. The fluid sump had to empty to the second gear chamber which resulted in a lurching thud into second.

I learned to drive and took my behind the wheel driving test in our neighbors ‘61 Chevrolet Nomad Station wagon that was equipped with Turboglide. I never recall that the car lurched when it shifted into 2nd, it was a really smooth driving car.

We had a ‘63 Chevrolet Impala 2 dr HT with a 327 V8 and Power Glide. The Power Glide was a great, simple automatic transmission and handled the hills and mountains of Hwy 1 on the Northern California coast with ease. It could take the 30% grade on Meyers Grade Road in low at 40-45 MPH. Our other neighbors up the road from us had both a ‘63 Rambler sedan and a ‘57 Buick Station wagon. The two daughters that I went to school with usually drove the ‘63 Rambler to school if they weren’t taking the school bus. But one day they drove the ‘57 Buick wagon instead. They were behind the bus when we reached the steepest point on Meyers Grade Road and as the bus driver shifted into second, Diane slammed the shift lever straight down forgetting that she wasn’t driving the ‘63 Rambler and threw it into reverse and dropped the transmission.

I owned a ‘67 Buick Skylark 2dr HT from ‘76 thru ‘81 and it had a two speed auto transmission like Dyna-Flow, but I don’t think they still called it Dyna-Flow then. Anyway that was by far the smoothest shifing automatic I ever drove. One Thanksgiving I was going with a friend to his cabin in Covelo, Calif. on an old dirt logging road. It was steep and muddy. Nick, who was a terrible driver said when we got to the turnoff to this road from the main highway to let him drive because he was familiar with the bad road. I said no, I’m familiar with roads like that too and learned to drive on them and just kept driving. While paying very close attention to the road and the many wrecked cars down the embankment that didn’t make it I forgot to shift down to low. That Buick just charged right up that steep, muddy grade just like it was in low because that two speed Dyna-Flow down shifted just like it was supposed to in such a smooth and fluid fashion that I couldn’t even feel the transition.

Those old GM automatics like Dyna-Flow, Power Glide and Turbo Glide were smooth as silk. Plus as Mike mentioned they could be push started if you had a dead battery. I’ve seen old Chevrolet promo films for the ‘51 Chevy when Power Glide was introduced and they made point of how you could rock the car easily out of mud, sand or snow with the Power Glide by only having to moving between Low to Reverse with one move from L to R. I think it may have been in ‘53 that Chevrolet moved R next to Park on the Power Glide equipped cars.

Eddie

 

[maytag85]

I learned to drive and took my behind the wheel driving test in our neighbors ‘61 Chevrolet Nomad Station wagon that was equipped with Turboglide. I never recall that the car lurched when it shifted into 2nd, it was a really smooth driving car.

Our other neighbors up the road from us had both a ‘63 Rambler sedan and a ‘57 Buick Station wagon. The two daughters that I went to school with usually drove the ‘63 Rambler to school if they weren’t taking the school bus. But one day they drove the ‘57 Buick wagon instead. They were behind the bus when we reached the steepest point on Meyers Grade Road and as the bus driver shifted into second, Diane slammed the shift lever straight down forgetting that she wasn’t driving the ‘63 Rambler and threw it into reverse and dropped the transmission.

I owned a ‘67 Buick Skylark 2dr HT from ‘76 thru ‘81 and it had a two speed auto transmission like Dyna-Flow, but I don’t think they still called it Dyna-Flow then. Anyway that was by far the smoothest shifing automatic I ever drove. One Thanksgiving I was going with a friend to his cabin in Covelo, Calif. on an old dirt logging road. It was steep and muddy. Nick, who was a terrible driver said when we got to the turnoff to this road from the main highway to let him drive because he was familiar with the bad road. I said no, I’m familiar with roads like that too and learned to drive on them and just kept driving. While paying very close attention to the road and the many wrecked cars down the embankment that didn’t make it I forgot to shift down to low. That Buick just charged right up that steep, muddy grade just like it was in low because that two speed Dyna-Flow down shifted just like it was supposed to in such a smooth and fluid fashion that I couldn’t even feel the transition.

Those old GM automatics like Dyna-Flow, Power Glide and Turbo Glide were smooth as silk. Plus as Mike mentioned they could be push started if you had a dead battery. I’ve seen old Chevrolet promo films for the ‘51 Chevy when Power Glide was introduced and and the made point of how you could rock the car easily out of mud, sand or snow with the Power Glide by only having to move from Low to Reverse with one move from L to R. I think it may have been in ‘53 that Chevrolet moved R next to Park on the Power Glide equipped cars.

Eddie

The ‘67 Buick Skylark you had more than likely had the Super Turbine 300 transmission in it which had variable stater vanes like the Dyna-Flow but had 2 speeds to make it more effective and efficient.

Here’s a ‘64 Buick Skylark that was owned by my friend Richard/speedqueen back in 2019, first classic car I ever drove and rode in. A compact car that felt large inside, even had a fairly large trunk from what I remember as well.

 

[vacerator]

Eddie, my dad's 61 Chevrolet Parkwood wagon had a Powerglide. 283 V8. It leaked trans fluid. I don't know if it was a cast iron or aluminum case.

 

[ea56]

Re:#66
Thanks Sean, yes the Skylark trans was called a Super Turbine 300, it slipped my mind. My ‘67 Skylark had a 300 cu in V8 and it consistently got 19 MPG. I know because for a while the gas gauge didn’t work so I always kept a little notebook in the glove compartment and recorded how many miles I’d gone from the last fill up and how many gals I’d used to compute the MPG. This is a habit that I still continue to this day. I’ve never run outta gas in the 58 years I’ve been driving.

The chassis for the mid 60’s Buick Skylark, Olds Cutlass, Pontiac LeMans and the Chevy Malibu were all the same intermediate size. These were wonderful cars to drive. They handled effortlessly and had lots of room for 6 passengers if you had a bench front seat.

My ‘67 Skylark was my most favorite car outta the 23 cars I’ve owned. If I ever found another one in reasonably good condition I’d buy it in a hot second and make it my daily driver.

I’m all for progress. But personally I have no use for complicated electronics in an automobile, touch screens or any of that other nonsense, except airbags and anti-lock brakes. Simple is just fine with me. On the old cars you could operate the controls by feel and touch without having to take your eyes off the road and your attention off of the most important job at hand, DRIVING the damn car and watching out for potential hazards ahead.

Eddie

 

[maytag85]

Re:#66
Thanks Sean, yes the Skylark trans was called a Super Turbine 300, it slipped my mind. My ‘67 Skylark had a 300 cu in V8 and it consistently got 19 MPG. I know because for a while the gas gauge didn’t work so I always kept a little notebook in the glove compartment and recorded how many miles I’d gone from the last fill up and how many gals I’d used to compute the MPG. This is a habit that I still continue to this day. I’ve never run outta gas in the 58 years I’ve been driving.

The chassis for the mid 60’s Buick Skylark, Olds Cutlass, Pontiac LeMans and the Chevy Malibu were all the same intermediate size. These were wonderful cars to drive. They handled effortlessly and had lots of room for 6 passengers if you had a bench front seat.

My ‘67 Skylark was my most favorite car outta the 23 cars I’ve owned. If I ever found another one in reasonably good condition I’d buy it in a hot second and make it my daily driver.

I’m all for progress. But personally I have no use for complicated electronics in an automobile, touch screens or any of that other nonsense, except airbags and anti-lock brakes. Simple is just fine with me. On the old cars you could operate the controls by feel and touch without having to take your eyes off the road and your attention off of the most important job at hand, DRIVING the damn car and watching out for potential hazards ahead.

Eddie

I think another reason why those GM intermediates from the 1960’s are sought after is they are the perfect size, not too big, not too small, just right. A midsized car that feels like a full sized car with the room of one.

Surprisingly, those didn’t get as bad of fuel mileage as one might have thought, mediocre to a degree, but not all that bad considering everyone who drives full sized SUVs that drink fuel like it’s going out of style. Once knew of a teacher in middle school 12 years ago who drove an early 2000’s Ford Excursion, don’t remember how the conversation started but was mentioned it “gets 9 mpg around town”, yikes! Kind of sad when a car from the 1960’s with archaic technology is able to get better fuel mileage.

Another interesting thing is the Buick 300 V8 is basically a Buick Fireball V6 with 2 more cylinders, started out life as the Buick 215 aluminum V8 in 1954, later on became cast iron when it became the 300. The Buick Fireball V6 eventually became the 3800 which lasted all the way until 2008, was a sad day when GM discontinued that particular engine.

The Buick 2015 was sold off to Rover sometime as was used in a wide array of vehicles in the UK, mainly Rover.

Despite your 1967 Buick Skylark being a midsized/intermediate car, could still option it the way you wanted. If you got a 4 door hardtop, basically had a midsized version of the Electra 225.

 

[ea56]

I think another reason why those GM intermediates from the 1960’s are sought after is they are the perfect size, not too big, not too small, just right. A midsized car that feels like a full sized car with the room of one.

Surprisingly, those didn’t get as bad of fuel mileage as one might have thought, mediocre to a degree, but not all that bad considering everyone who drives full sized SUVs that drink fuel like it’s going out of style. Once knew of a teacher in middle school 12 years ago who drove an early 2000’s Ford Excursion, don’t remember how the conversation started but was mentioned it “gets 9 mpg around town”, yikes! Kind of sad when a car from the 1960’s with archaic technology is able to get better fuel mileage.

Another interesting thing is the Buick 300 V8 is basically a Buick Fireball V6 with 2 more cylinders, started out life as the Buick 215 aluminum V8 in 1954, later on became cast iron when it became the 300. The Buick Fireball V6 eventually became the 3800 which lasted all the way until 2008, was a sad day when GM discontinued that particular engine.

The Buick 2015 was sold off to Rover sometime as was used in a wide array of vehicles in the UK, mainly Rover.

Despite your 1967 Buick Skylark being a midsized/intermediate car, could still option it the way you wanted. If you got a 4 door hardtop, basically had a midsized version of the Electra 225.

Thats’s the same color my ‘67 Skylark was Sean although mine didn’t have a vinyl roof. And I agree with you about these intermediates and the great gas mileage. They felt like a luxury car at a much lower price. My parents bought a new ‘61 Mercury Monterey convertible for my Mom with a three on the tree because my Dad went anti automatic once he bought his first Jaguar. That car was DOG! It only got 8 MPG and went through the first set of tire in 8000 miles. It was a beautiful car but thirsty as hell.

Eddie

 

[vacerator]

The Chevrolet Powerglide case changed to aluminum for 1962.

 

[ea56]

Here is a very interesting article about the history of the Chevrolet Power Glide transmission. Turns out that it was based upon the Buick Dyna Flow. It’s a quick read if you’re interested in the timeline of the Power Glide trans.

Eddie

https://macsmotorcitygarage.com/secrets-of-the-chevy-powerglide-1950-73/

 

[maytag85]

Ironically, the PowerGlide was used in those Checker cabs which were paired up to a Chevy 350 V8. Literally would run and run forever. The last Checker cab in New York City in the 1990’s had 994,000 miles on it, practically a million before it was retired.

I highly doubt any of today’s vehicles would be able to last that long, most are having major engine and transmission problems, thanks to the over the top CAFE and emissions standards.

The more parts and complexity, the more areas where problems can be introduced.

 

[phillymatt53]

Ironically, the PowerGlide was used in those Checker cabs which were paired up to a Chevy 350 V8. Literally would run and run forever. The last Checker cab in New York City in the 1990’s had 994,000 miles on it, practically a million before it was retired.

I highly doubt any of today’s vehicles would be able to last that long, most are having major engine and transmission problems, thanks to the over the top CAFE and emissions standards.

The more parts and complexity, the more areas where problems can be introduced.

My first car, a 1972 Chevy Nova, had a 307ci engine, and a powerglide transmission.
It also had a big Holly Spreadbore carb which gave it great acceleration.
That car naver gave me any trouble.

 

[vacerator]

Eddie, I have seen that article long ago. The Dynaflo was nicknamed "Slushomatic". It was inefficient. The only similarities with the Powerglide are in concept. It didn't have as many clutch packs and planetary gears.
Sean, today's transmissions with the electronics are in sync with the new engines. Very complex and expensive. The Allison heavy duty automatic is also electronic and has an excellent durability record. As engine displacement has shrank, the other drivetrain components were designed to compensate. It is what it is. Most Checker cars had the straight six. The final years had a 350 turbo hydramatic with a lock up torque converter.

 

[pstehle]

Would you settle for a Johnny Cab

let me think on that one...