Wet Clothes

[Chetlaham]

Modern Combo Washer

John, I want you to see this:

https://www.whirlpool.com/content/d...l-w11243198-smart-all-in-one-washer-dryer.pdf

If we could just remove the condenser for a top access filter and exhaust we'd be half way there. Ditch the springs and shocks, adds a 16 pole motor and belt, get rid of the detergent pumps, cold water fill only, mechanical timer (the electronics in this washer aren't my cup of tea) , and we'd be all set. An entry level model could have no dispenser to save on cost.

The timer would determine water temps by adding more wash time. 10 minutes for cold/delicate, 50 minutes for a heavy duty boil wash. I'd make the water heater stats cut out at 186*F-192*F. No an actual boil but high altitudes taken into consideration.

I wish I could actually play with the machine.

 

[thomasortega]

"...I know it was done in Europe, but modern day 2020 I don't think people will settle with a spin dryer."

The Laundry Alternative sold 43.376 spin dryer units from January 1st 2020 to 5:38pm (PT) 10/27/20.

1 more while I was typing this.

 

[Chetlaham]

Thats still a small number compared to global laundry sales.

My point is I can't see someone buying a combo, having it shut off middle cycle, take the clothes out, spin them, then putting them back into the drum.

Just have the machine run through the cycle for an hour and 20 minutes and you're done.

 

[gizmo]

after 1 hr 20 minutes the wash will still be dripping wet if it hasn't been spun out.

 

[Chetlaham]

After about 45 minutes of filling/tumbling/draining/ect the drain pump shuts off, the blower kicks in and 4,500 watts of heating starts doing its thing.

 

[combo52]

Reply # 81

And it will take about 3 hours to dry 10 pounds of cotton towels or clothing,

 

What don't you understand ? are you just trying for attention or do you have a real problem ? Whats the point of continuing these silly ideas ?

 

John L.

 

[neptunebob]

All I can say is....

 

<span style="font-size: 14pt;">My friends know me before Metamucil, They Prefer me After!</span>

 

[DADoES]

 
<blockquote>Just have the machine run through the cycle for an hour and 20 minutes and you're done.
...

After about 45 minutes of filling/tumbling/draining/ect the drain pump shuts off, the blower kicks in and 4,500 watts of heating starts doing its thing.</blockquote> hour + 20 mins = 80 mins total cycle, with 80 mins total - 45 mins washing/rinsing/draining = 35 mins drying time

When will you have this machine built?  The people are eager to see it run a variety of loads ... jeans, sheets, bath towels & socks & kitchen towels, quilts, comforters, lingerie, shirts & trousers, knit/synthetic garments, throw rugs, curtains, woolen items, shower curtains, etc.

 

[Chetlaham]

I wish I could build it as a test concept, but have no means to do so. Ideally if I could get my hands on a combo washer and rig the motor for manual control- ie just tumble.

@john- Where are you getting that 3 hour figure from? This combo will be on a 240 volts, 30 amp circuit.

Do an experiment. Drain a Speed Queen Classic Clean washer with a tub full of clothes. Let the clothes drip for about half an hour or so. Place them in a Whirlpool top mount filter dryer. I can't see it taking 3 hours. But that is going by what I did 10 years ago when my DD stopped spinning.

@dadoes: good catch. I was thinking about the timer increments. That machine will have a thermostat on the exhaust that will re-start the timer when the exhaust temps go above 140*F-160*F.

Here is an example of an old Combo that appears to do the same in regards to having stats that advance the timer when exhaust temps go up: [this post was last edited: 10/28/2020-10:31]

 

[murando531]

Putting soggy clothes into a dryer is going to ruin the dryer.... what sense does any of this make. Not even in the hanging-out-to-dry days did people just hang clothes up sopping and dripping wet... they got as much water out by hand or they ran each item through a roller wringer. My grandparents grew up as kids without even a wringer washer, just a big barrel and a stick to wash clothes, and they still squeezed everything out as best they could.

Idk who needs to hear this but put soggy clothes in your dryers at your own risk, because once that water starts sloshing through the felt drum seals and into the blower and onto the motor and heating elements, I don't think I have to illustrate the outcome.

 

[johnb300m]

Does anyone else suspect chetlaham’s account has been hacked?
These posts read uncharacteristically.

 

[luxflairguy]

I'm lost! What's the point of this thread again?

 

[Chetlaham]

You guys forget that I'm thinking of a combo washer. The clothes will go into dry after a drain and tumble.

 

[neptunebob]

Chelaham, how about this idea...

It's just my opinion, but I dreamed up a way Maybe Whirlpool could make a combination machine:  Have a Duet washer on top of a pedestal that does not have the drawer but is empty.  The dryer apparatus could then be located in the pedestal.  It might even be possible to have a moisture sensor in the exhaust that would come from the drum of the duet to the vent outside.  All that would be needed would be large hoses to direct the hot air into the drum, so would not cost so much.  What say you?

 

[Chetlaham]

That is certainly doable at first thought. I personally would like to see more combos, I always wondered even thought it silly why you couldn't combine functions into one machine.

 

[ozzie908]

Washer dryers

Are still available here and the best one to get I believe is the Miele as it can wash and dry a 6kg load from wet to dry with a 1600 spin, I know someone who has got rid of the separates they had and gone for the space saving combo and are very impressed with it too.

Austin

 

[murando531]

Combo unit

Okay that makes sense then. You said “top lint filter Whirlpool dryer” and that’s where I was confused.

I’ve no experience with combo unit washer-dryers but I’d imagine the reason traditional standalone units can’t easily be converted to such functions is for one, the space available inside the cabinet, and two, exposing the traditional seals in a front load washer to higher, dry heat on a regular basis would very quickly cause them to brittle and dry rot. Combos, from visual inspection, seem to have seals that are designed to withstand the heat but this may also make them more expensive, which would be impractical in a stand alone washer for how infrequently consumers would want to “convert” their machine.

On top of that, from what I understand, the drying components of a combo unit are also quite underpowered because of how small and space saving they have to be, which also explains why drying times for combos are notoriously long considering how small the usable capacity is for these machines. Just at a glance, combo models from WP, LG, all the Midea/Chinese knockoffs and such, they all basically have a small shaded-pole fan motor and a tiny little heating element ring. There’s no way that can compete with a full-size dryer blower and heating element duct.

I’d say the experiment to set a combo washer to “No Spin” and let the load sit and drizzle the excess out, and then set it separately to dry, if the machine will allow such a function, would be neat just to see how comically long it would take to adequately dry the load, but it also seems like it’s going to be a tremendous energy hog doing so. You might as well put a stock pot of water on the stove and see how long it takes to boil the pot dry at that point.

 

[neptunebob]

That is what I was thinking...

When I mention placing the drying equipment in the pedestal of a FL washer.  Yes, the blower would need a separate motor but not that expensive.  

 

And Murando, with your avatar, cut that out!  How am we supposed to dry clothes when you send chills up and down our spines?

 

[Chetlaham]

I agree to a degree, but who says you can't put 4,500 watts of heaters somewhere in the unit and a powerful blower?

 

[aquarius1984]

And now after all the claptrap about power supplies

Let me put the final nail in the coffin of Chelatams moronic idea...

No thought to fabric care has been given whatsoever.

The whole load is going to have most of its water still clinging to it while these powerful heaters heat it up to near boiling point.

Then it’s going to spend a good while evaporating off, shrinking all fabrics, slopping water with loose dye around the whole load, then baking said dye into things.

The whole point of an efficient dryer is that the balance between the point everything is hot and wet, to flash removal of said moisture to avoid shrinking and dye contamination is at its absolute minimal.

And that folks is why a spin is needed. The slowest spinning machines on the market already - 600rpm and above still completely lessen this issue to it being non existent.

What are you going to do? Tell folks they can only wash certain garments in one load when the entire world has systems that means they don’t have to? LOL OK.

Chasing the budget demographic to sell them telling them they need to wash more loads equating to higher running costs and severe fabric degradation.

Ps. Not bothered how my post comes across. At what point will you realise this idea is moronic?