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Wet Clothes
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You guys forget that I'm thinking of a combo washer. The clothes will go into dry after a drain and tumble.
Chelaham, how about this idea...
It's just my opinion, but I dreamed up a way Maybe Whirlpool could make a combination machine: Have a Duet washer on top of a pedestal that does not have the drawer but is empty. The dryer apparatus could then be located in the pedestal. It might even be possible to have a moisture sensor in the exhaust that would come from the drum of the duet to the vent outside. All that would be needed would be large hoses to direct the hot air into the drum, so would not cost so much. What say you?
It's just my opinion, but I dreamed up a way Maybe Whirlpool could make a combination machine: Have a Duet washer on top of a pedestal that does not have the drawer but is empty. The dryer apparatus could then be located in the pedestal. It might even be possible to have a moisture sensor in the exhaust that would come from the drum of the duet to the vent outside. All that would be needed would be large hoses to direct the hot air into the drum, so would not cost so much. What say you?
That is certainly doable at first thought. I personally would like to see more combos, I always wondered even thought it silly why you couldn't combine functions into one machine.
ozzie908
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Washer dryers
Are still available here and the best one to get I believe is the Miele as it can wash and dry a 6kg load from wet to dry with a 1600 spin, I know someone who has got rid of the separates they had and gone for the space saving combo and are very impressed with it too.
Austin
Are still available here and the best one to get I believe is the Miele as it can wash and dry a 6kg load from wet to dry with a 1600 spin, I know someone who has got rid of the separates they had and gone for the space saving combo and are very impressed with it too.
Austin
murando531
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Combo unit
Okay that makes sense then. You said “top lint filter Whirlpool dryer” and that’s where I was confused.
I’ve no experience with combo unit washer-dryers but I’d imagine the reason traditional standalone units can’t easily be converted to such functions is for one, the space available inside the cabinet, and two, exposing the traditional seals in a front load washer to higher, dry heat on a regular basis would very quickly cause them to brittle and dry rot. Combos, from visual inspection, seem to have seals that are designed to withstand the heat but this may also make them more expensive, which would be impractical in a stand alone washer for how infrequently consumers would want to “convert” their machine.
On top of that, from what I understand, the drying components of a combo unit are also quite underpowered because of how small and space saving they have to be, which also explains why drying times for combos are notoriously long considering how small the usable capacity is for these machines. Just at a glance, combo models from WP, LG, all the Midea/Chinese knockoffs and such, they all basically have a small shaded-pole fan motor and a tiny little heating element ring. There’s no way that can compete with a full-size dryer blower and heating element duct.
I’d say the experiment to set a combo washer to “No Spin” and let the load sit and drizzle the excess out, and then set it separately to dry, if the machine will allow such a function, would be neat just to see how comically long it would take to adequately dry the load, but it also seems like it’s going to be a tremendous energy hog doing so. You might as well put a stock pot of water on the stove and see how long it takes to boil the pot dry at that point.
Okay that makes sense then. You said “top lint filter Whirlpool dryer” and that’s where I was confused.
I’ve no experience with combo unit washer-dryers but I’d imagine the reason traditional standalone units can’t easily be converted to such functions is for one, the space available inside the cabinet, and two, exposing the traditional seals in a front load washer to higher, dry heat on a regular basis would very quickly cause them to brittle and dry rot. Combos, from visual inspection, seem to have seals that are designed to withstand the heat but this may also make them more expensive, which would be impractical in a stand alone washer for how infrequently consumers would want to “convert” their machine.
On top of that, from what I understand, the drying components of a combo unit are also quite underpowered because of how small and space saving they have to be, which also explains why drying times for combos are notoriously long considering how small the usable capacity is for these machines. Just at a glance, combo models from WP, LG, all the Midea/Chinese knockoffs and such, they all basically have a small shaded-pole fan motor and a tiny little heating element ring. There’s no way that can compete with a full-size dryer blower and heating element duct.
I’d say the experiment to set a combo washer to “No Spin” and let the load sit and drizzle the excess out, and then set it separately to dry, if the machine will allow such a function, would be neat just to see how comically long it would take to adequately dry the load, but it also seems like it’s going to be a tremendous energy hog doing so. You might as well put a stock pot of water on the stove and see how long it takes to boil the pot dry at that point.
That is what I was thinking...
When I mention placing the drying equipment in the pedestal of a FL washer. Yes, the blower would need a separate motor but not that expensive.
And Murando, with your avatar, cut that out! How am we supposed to dry clothes when you send chills up and down our spines?
When I mention placing the drying equipment in the pedestal of a FL washer. Yes, the blower would need a separate motor but not that expensive.
And Murando, with your avatar, cut that out! How am we supposed to dry clothes when you send chills up and down our spines?
I agree to a degree, but who says you can't put 4,500 watts of heaters somewhere in the unit and a powerful blower?
aquarius1984
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And now after all the claptrap about power supplies
Let me put the final nail in the coffin of Chelatams moronic idea...
No thought to fabric care has been given whatsoever.
The whole load is going to have most of its water still clinging to it while these powerful heaters heat it up to near boiling point.
Then it’s going to spend a good while evaporating off, shrinking all fabrics, slopping water with loose dye around the whole load, then baking said dye into things.
The whole point of an efficient dryer is that the balance between the point everything is hot and wet, to flash removal of said moisture to avoid shrinking and dye contamination is at its absolute minimal.
And that folks is why a spin is needed. The slowest spinning machines on the market already - 600rpm and above still completely lessen this issue to it being non existent.
What are you going to do? Tell folks they can only wash certain garments in one load when the entire world has systems that means they don’t have to? LOL OK.
Chasing the budget demographic to sell them telling them they need to wash more loads equating to higher running costs and severe fabric degradation.
Ps. Not bothered how my post comes across. At what point will you realise this idea is moronic?
Let me put the final nail in the coffin of Chelatams moronic idea...
No thought to fabric care has been given whatsoever.
The whole load is going to have most of its water still clinging to it while these powerful heaters heat it up to near boiling point.
Then it’s going to spend a good while evaporating off, shrinking all fabrics, slopping water with loose dye around the whole load, then baking said dye into things.
The whole point of an efficient dryer is that the balance between the point everything is hot and wet, to flash removal of said moisture to avoid shrinking and dye contamination is at its absolute minimal.
And that folks is why a spin is needed. The slowest spinning machines on the market already - 600rpm and above still completely lessen this issue to it being non existent.
What are you going to do? Tell folks they can only wash certain garments in one load when the entire world has systems that means they don’t have to? LOL OK.
Chasing the budget demographic to sell them telling them they need to wash more loads equating to higher running costs and severe fabric degradation.
Ps. Not bothered how my post comes across. At what point will you realise this idea is moronic?
I'll call it moronic until I see dye transfer and fabric shrinkage/damage for myself. Good air flow will keep temps reasonable. No different than putting sopping wet clothes into a Whirlpool dryer.
I know its silly in some ways, but why not try it out?
I know its silly in some ways, but why not try it out?
35 minutes drying time
IIRC that's shorter than a Whirlpool dryer with a top mounted lint filter takes to dry a load that was washed, rinsed and spun in a Whirlpool toploader. Am I missing something?
IIRC that's shorter than a Whirlpool dryer with a top mounted lint filter takes to dry a load that was washed, rinsed and spun in a Whirlpool toploader. Am I missing something?
35 minutes is the dry portion on the timer, this does not take into account pauses the timer makes until the exhaust temps go up.
???
Miele lists the hourly evaporation rate on commercial dryers.
A 12 pound load of dripping wet clothes will weigh up to 36 pounds.
That is a good 12kg of water, approximatley of course.
With Miele, that would need about 14kW of heating power if to be evaporated in 1h, or about 25kW in a higher airflow design for 30min drying time.
You know how much 25kW is?
Miele lists the hourly evaporation rate on commercial dryers.
A 12 pound load of dripping wet clothes will weigh up to 36 pounds.
That is a good 12kg of water, approximatley of course.
With Miele, that would need about 14kW of heating power if to be evaporated in 1h, or about 25kW in a higher airflow design for 30min drying time.
You know how much 25kW is?
That 14 kW means a 60 Amp connection...
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