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PhilR

If you want to see the exterior color of my '59 go to: Youtube and type in:
Barn find resurrection 1959 continental. The interior is a different color than mine, mine having a black dashboard, black carpeting and turquoise seats and door panels. Lots of fun to drive. It is going to be in a car show in 3 weeks. Have fun, Gary
 
Jerry

I have a friend that had a '59 Imperial laBaron Southhampton. I loved that car! It was black with a partial stainless roof. Pushbutton everything. With the air cond. on, you could accelerate and watch the gas gauge move down. lol Wonderful car with beautiful blue fabric. The headlight dimmer went wonky and would change to bright if there was a full moon. lol Happy motoring. Gary
 
'73 Oldsmobiles and some useless factoids

ABComatic,

The Regencies were such nice cars! My favorite feature of the '73 Regency is its unique Tiffany Dash Clock. Speaking of clocks, the Ninety Eight LS (Luxury Sedan) was one of the only cars that actually had two clocks -- one on the dash (non-Tiffany) and another on the back of the front seat for the rear passengers.

I have two '73 Delta 88s -- I bought my town sedan because of its Emerald Green color and low mileage. It has dark green brocade interior albeit a much more spartan version than what your Regency had. It's very lightly optioned and needs some work but it has character! Hopefully the lettered tires will be replaced with whitewalls later this year.

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Funny story about gas mileage...

In 74 my Mother thought she could save gas by buying a smaller car, So She traded her 71 Delta 88 Royale 455 which consistently got 18 mpg on a trip, on a new 74 Pontiac Ventura 6 with manual shift...it consistently got 16 mpg!!LOL...Boy was She MAD.." I had a good car with enough power and I traded for this piece of junk." The Pontiac was a real lemon, and by the end of 74 it was replaced by a one owner like new 73 Ford LTD which was wonderful!
 
Mileage . . .

What was the mileage in traffic? Sometimes a large car can do OK on highway mileage in flat conditions as the load is mostly aerodynamic: I have a good friend who has pulled close to 30 out of a late ‘90s Lincoln Town Car in West Texas. The Lincoln is reasonably aerodynamic and once it gets up to highway speeds weight doesn’t matter much. Neither the Olds nor the Pontiac would likely have good aerodynamics - GM was late to this - but aside from slightly larger frontal area the Olds is probably not much worse than the Pontiac.

In this case the difference between a ‘71 and ‘74 is significant as emissions standards got way, way stricter through the ‘70s, in particular from ‘73 to ‘74. I’m thankful that we have emissions standards as otherwise our air would look like China’s, but the implementation of the standards in the ‘70s was badly managed by the EPA. The first Federal standards were in ‘68, and like the California standards starting in ‘66 didn’t cause much trouble with economy and power. Problem was the engineers who designed the standards tried to ramp up much too quickly and most car manufacturers didn’t have the ability to meet ‘74 standards and also provide good economy and power.

What was needed was good fuel injection. American companies were very interested in fuel injection in the late ‘50s, GM in fact made small numbers of cars with Rochester mechanical injection (mostly Corvettes) from ‘57 -‘65 but then dropped it as being too expensive. Bendix saw that electronic injection was the best way forward; they may or may not have been familiar with the experimental Caproni electric injection tried on an Alfa Romeo that ran the 1940 Mille Miglia race but it had no real electronic brain.

Bendix developed a system that was theoretically available on some ‘57 Ramblers and ‘58 Chrysler products. Problem was that it wasn’t well developed enough to work reliably thus no injected Ramblers were sold to the public and less than 50 Chrysler vehicles. Almost all of those 50 cars were recalled immediately and fitted by dealers with carburetors. All American development stopped and Bendix sold the patents to Bosch. Bosch had a lot of experience with mechanical injection and spent the early and mid ‘60s developing the electronic system. By the late ‘60s Bosch was able to offer a fairly good system available on various models from Mercedes, VW, Porsche, Saab, Volvo and Citroen.

GM knew they needed electronic injection and got with Bendix who licensed the technology back from Bosch for ‘75, but only on the expensive and exotic Cosworth Vega and the also expensive Cadillac Seville. That left the rest of the GM line (and all of Ford, AMC and Chrysler’s cars) saddled with often uneconomical and unreliable carbs. This isn’t a jibe against all carburetors, basic carbs can work just fine, but when cursed with lots of poorly developed emissions equipment many engines of this era were inefficient. In particular, to keep Nox emissions down many engines had retarded ignition timing that both affected economy and caused them to run hot.

My aunt and uncle had a good ‘71 Delta 88 sedan from ‘71 to ‘78. They liked it so much they swapped it in on a new Olds 98 that was a real lemon for the first year, unlike that ‘71 which rarely gave trouble. They lived in a small rural town of 5000 people where everyone knew everyone else and I still remember how mad my aunt was when an old friend remarked on my aunt’s “new Cutlass”. The Cutlass was the dealership’s loaner while they tried to fix another problem on the 98, she had spent so much time driving it that everyone thought she’d traded the 88 for a Cutlass and not a 98! The problems were eventually worked out but when the 98 got old it got swapped for a Chevy and not another Olds.
 
M.P.G.

I think it's about CRUISING RANGE:

In which case my Honda ALWAYS goes FIVE-HUNDRED-MILES between tank-fuls! (So repetitious, I no longer set the Odometer--ONE of 'em, that is--for keeping track of Gas Mileage, and I have no clue how my wife's Toyota does, 'cause we don't use or reset her Odometers, or never tey have even once for measuring her gas mileage... And hers are hard to read!)

-- Dave
 
1956 Nash Ambassador camping film

A night out in the woods, in their all new for 1956 Nash. Just ignore the second video, it's the same one. :P 

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I miss 3 speed Cruise-O-Matic. It had a unique sound to it. In fact even though the 4 speed AOD used in later vehicles (Grand Marquis and Crown Vic, for example) had the same first-to-second sound.
 
I learned to drive on a '74 Olds custom Cruiser (station wagon on a 98 chassis). To this day seeing a huge hood in front of me makes me feel safe. After learning to parallel park in that, today's cars are a piece of cake!
 
sexy speedometers

my grandma had a car that I think was an olds wagon of some kind. It had the coolest speedometer ever, there was no needle, there was a multicolored cylinder that spun underneath the numbers going from a cool green to a bright red. The faster you went the redder the colors got, anyone know what Im talking about?
Anyone got videos of such a thing in action?

I also liked the cylinder speedometer on the 66 olds tornando, reminded me of airplane instruments
 
Drum-type speedometers that looked like thermometers were available on many brands from the 1950s to the 1970s. My father's 1970 Volvo 142 had that too.

The speedometer in my 1967 Riviera is also a drum similar to the one in the Toronado. 

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Revolving Drum Instruments . . .

Citroen used drum type speedos and tachs for about 10 years from the mid ‘70s to the mid ‘80s. Pic is of an early CX, introduced during the ‘74 model year. I’ve always loved the elegant simplicity of the dash and the slender console; one of my peeves is modern overly wide consoles that I bump with my right knee.

My dad had an early CX 2200 diesel for awhile in doggie-poop brown with a brown interior (welcome to the ‘70s!). I don’t recall having much trouble reading the speedo but I’m not convinced that drum types are as easy to use as conventional types in that you must read the numbers and not just glance at the pointer for rough information. Early CX diesels didn’t have turbos and were painfully slow to accelerate so most of the time with that car I just kept my foot flat on the floor and the speedo didn’t matter much, lol. It was a nice and very economical long distance cruiser however. I certainly wouldn't mind having a later CX 2500 GTI with the turbo gas engine, that car was a real flyer, but they're super rare here and smogging grey market cars in California isn't easy.

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62 Ford Galaxie 500

I had a magnificent '62 Galaxie 500 4 door, red and white two tone interior and exterior.. 3 speed on the tree with a manual button or foot pedal option to shift into OD on every gear. it was my daily driver for over 10 years . Always ran well, always started and huge bench seats and trunk. Also surprisingly decent on gas 20 mpg or so. 2 very memorable events.. driving over Californias famous grape vine pass .. passing cars on the climb without effort and also viewing all the overheated new cars on the side of the road, and plowing into a full grown steer about 2000 lbs. broadside at 50 mph.. drove the car home and called my then boyfriend who was super concerned if I was ok. I was fine.. car had dented hood, broken radiator.. (which held till I got home) cow not so good.. went flying . Repaired and driven happily for another 8 yrs. all on original engine.. this was in the early 90's !! I WILL find that car and get it back!
 
Speaking of bench seats...

One thing I haven't seen mentioned (unless I've missed it) is the amount of room in both front and back seats these old cars had.

I'm trying to imagine young people in today's small cars having the kinds of.... ummmmm...... 'experiences' I had in those huge back seats.

Thoughts? Continuation in Dirty Laundry?

Jim
 
Warmsecondrinse . . .

When you’re young there is indeed something to be said for a sedan with a big backseat, particularly if the front seats recline. My first car was a ‘69 Citroen ID19. I got it as a junior in high school in ‘76 by which time the Texas sun had wrecked havoc on the cloth upholstery. While I contemplated how many lawns I’d have to mow to get the seats reupholstered someone else’s bad luck became my good luck: a family friend had a cherry ‘67 ID19, bought new and carefully cared for until an inconsiderate driver in Phoenix ran a stoplight and plowed into it. The ‘67 was hauled back to Texas but turned out to be totalled. The immaculate red vinyl interior became mine for very little money, and being a ‘67 it didn’t have '69 style headrests that prevented the front seats from reclining flush with the back seat. At first I was disappointed but once I got to college and life in a dorm I realized there were some very real benefits to this.   

I will never forget how late one Saturday night my very first bf and I managed to get the poor ID stuck when I turned around on a tiny rural dirt road and dropped the right front wheel into a ditch. We ended out walking back to campus to get his Karmann Ghia, then to an all-night store to buy a rope. With the Ghia pulling the ID and the height adjustable Citroen suspension in the high position we managed to pull it out by which time it was almost dawn. We were two tired puppies, but even so dropped the Ghia at campus, hopped back in the ID and found another secluded spot for some well earned R & R. Oh, the joys of being 19!

Pic isn’t of my ID but the interior is virtually identical.

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...and classic ONE tailight- guess back in '49 nobody cared what might have been up in front of them much:

I bought this car in high school in 1970 for $225 and had to sell it when I went to college two years later- but it was a lot of fun- and even had an old ah-oo-gah horn.

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vinyl tops were cool- but you can't really see the "mod" flower vinyl top on this '69 Plymouth Barracuda in this 1984 photo. The interior matched it as well, but torn up by then:

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Our neighbor lady who lived across the street in the late '60's had a 1968 Plymouth Satellite 2 door hardtop with a flowered vinyl roof, and a blue body. We weren't on more than nodding terms, or I may have gotten to see the inside. That yellow Barracuda is a sweet car for sure.
 

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