Oh, the STPP and Kirkland HE Liquid (Ultra Plus) is for the Neptune MAH7500 in the house. In the workshop I have a Miele collection, and they get Persil. Originally powder, but I went to Persil Liquid a year or two ago. Usually I only do whites in the Miele, because... well, it's good at them. No chlorine bleach for my fabrics, thank you very much.