Where to find ARIEL HE?

[kenmoreguy89]

Yes, absolutely, the Tide HE as I said is Tide but low foam so it's suitable for machines that requires a low foam detergent, so front loaders, is just a low foam version than the regular Tide...
The Serbian or "Eastern European" Tide as you can realize is a low foam detergent too, but differs totally from american Tide though, in composition, concentration and smell....
For example, a 6kg "Eastern European" powder Tide is rated to give 60 loads, while an american HE of 3 kg gives 80 loads...
I can tell that they're two totally different things in every aspect...
Generally same branded products found in different countries are different from country to country...
Maybe there're some exceptions though, for example, now in Mexico is sold a (henkel) Persil formula that possibly is the same as the german one.....
I'm not sure about this, but looks like reading from what they write that it is so....
It is not written anywhere the fact of them being low foam products and they just don't have two version of regular and low foam like other detergents...
So it leads me to think they're the same or very similar as the "standard" low foam german Henkel persil for automatics, while packaging and bottles changes from the european ones the product can be identical or vary just a little...
I still have to try them to tell something for sure...
The Henkel Persil found in the USA is different of the mexican Persil packaging, the Persil found in USA indeed is litterally the same german one, the Persil found in USA is specially made in Germany and mostly imported from Miele Dealers... and sometimes even from shops specialized in european products (along with other european brands)....
I think this is an agreement made with Henkel and Miele, so that Miele can support a fellow german manufacturer claiming their machines works better with this particular detergent only...that's why you find piles of German Persil next to a Miele set in Miele's appliances dealers shops in the USA... but this is just a maneuvre of Miele to make people believe that their machines are so "particular" to require a particular detergent... what a theater!!! Ahahahah!
You won't find Persil sold in supermarkets in the USA though as you find the Persil in Mexico...

So not sure if Persil in Mexico is just the same of German one... but very possibly it is... I will have to find out.
But Generally same brands of detergents changes from country to country...just like inside the EU, for example the Spanish Dixan is totally different of the Dixan sold in Italy..
In Italy the Dixan is the same product of German Henkel Persil but sold as Dixan, in Spain the Henkel Persil is sold under the name of Wipp, the Dixan you find in Spain is more similar of the brand in Italy is sold as "general" infact you can see both italian General and Spanish Dixan do have the same mascotte which is a "fox".... the same mascotte is of the detergent "spee" found in Germany which likely is same product as Italian General and Spanish Dixan..

The same masotte is also the one you find in mexican detergent 1-2-3.... but the 1-2-3 is non-low foam product and is different of the ones mentioned before in composition, even though it's smell resembles something of the Italian General..

 

[bluecheer]

Well, I found some ARIEL, per Mich's suggestion, which was exciting to find! However, my only concern is that because it's not labeled as HE, and since I have a new front loader, wouldn't I be taking a risk on using it? We know the rule about not using an non-HE detergent in one of these washers. Also, Mich, where do you find the Ariel Espuma Baja? I can assure you I WON'T buy it all out....it takes me a long while to use detergent !

 

[labboy]

Not available...

I have looked everywhere...on-line, big chain stores, small regional stores, independent stores and Ariel Baja espuma cannot be found. I'm convinced it is no longer available.

 

[mich]

The Stuff..

You saw at Ollies was either one of the two formulations, I've seen there.

One is the Bagged, Ariel USA. This is actually, a old Non-HE Tide with Bleach (not the new compacted powder, but old 1x concentrated) powder, and is very high sudsing. This stuff is good, if you have a old Top Loader lying around... But keep it away from your front loader.

The other Formula, I've seen is "Ariel Color & Style". I won't lie to you, this stuff doesn't have a HE logo on it. However, it's one of P&G's Compacted Powders (very similar to the Tide HE powder) and it has lots of Oxygen Bleach (but it doesn't contain OB's to fade clothes). This is a very low sudsing/froth formula, because of the Silicone that's been added into it. (You'll notice quickly, that suds will start to break down)

(On a side note.. Many People south of the boarder, don't like Front Loaders, and exclusively wash there clothes in Top Loading machines, or Hand Wash them. As such, they like there suds, and froth, and if they don't see it, they don't like it.) So, as one can guess, this Powder turned up at Ollie's fairly quickly.

There's also Ariel Power Pods. You should just skip these. There re-branded Tide Pods, and very expensive.

 

[mieleman1926]

Link below for anyone who can't find Ariel Matic baja espuma locally!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ariel-Laundry-Detergent-Doble-Poder-bajo-espuma-low-suds-900-grams-Fresh-/221319454554?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3387aadf5a

 

[thomasortega]

Here we have Ariel Ecomax powder, Ariel with a touch of Downy liquid.

Both of them are low suds (the liquid is no suds at all)

But what I really miss is Skip liquid from Argentina, sold until early 2000's. It was a white liquid. That was simply the best detergent i've ever used.

 

[gorenje]

@ Kenmoreguy89

"For example, a 6kg "Eastern European" powder Tide is rated to give 60 loads, while an american HE of 3 kg gives 80 loads... "

...keep in mind that detergents are formulated to give the best results in the Country where they are supposed to be sold. So water tipe, water hardness and other local facts are taken into account by the producer.

The number of loads that are indicated on the box or bottle can't be taken seriously if you use a detergent from an far away Country.

I have tried many detergents from different parts of the world and plenty of american detergents, but the doses are far far too litle for the use in my circumstances. With an 120 loads box of american Surf I can do less than 60 light soiled loads, even if it is not a HE formulation. Or with an 32 load box of whatever high sudsing brand less than 15 loads.

The opposite may happen to an american user perhaps. The doses can be too high in their circumstances.

Using foreign detergents takes some experimentations to achieve a comparable result and many times also disappointments.
So many times one ends up to go back to local detergents which delivers impeccable results without guessing and praying before opening the washer

Ingemar

Ingemar

 

[MrX]

The biggest difference is labeling legislation.

Some places will allow you to base the calculation on a tiny load that just needs light refreshing and is washed in ideal conditions with totally soft water.

Others may require it to based on a normal cottons cycle, fully loaded and normally soiled.

European labeling tends to have to comply with extremly strict laws about what you can claim on packaging or in advertising.

If you make ridiculous claims, your competitors might check them and make complaints.

 

[MrX]

Also, I've made enquiries and it would seem Ariel is the same formula in all EU markets. They're not country-specific products. Ariel in the UK, Ireland, France, Belgium, Spain etc isn't even a country specific box anymore.

All of these manufacturers use economies of scale and don't localise where possible within the EU market.

In the few places where Tide is sold in Europe ...it's Ariel formula same with Dash in Belgium and Italy.

The only change maybe the perfume in some of those minor brands.

Ariel outside the EU may be an entirely different product.

Same with Skip, Omo, Dash etc etc

All EU detergents (unless marked for hand washing or some special purpose) are low gfoaming / no foaming and suitable for front loaders and low water content top loaders. However, I wouldn't add any Euro powder, undissolved to a HE top loader that doesn't have a disperser drawer to mix the powder with water. They can stain or bleach clothes if not properly dissolved and left in contact with fabrics for a long time.

 

[kenmoreguy89]

In the few places where Tide is sold in Europe ...it's A

Who told you this????
Actually, the eastern european Tide i could use was more similar in composition, scent, and performances to the british Daz, even though Daz is more concentrated, but really Tide had nothing in common with Ariel.
Also, Ariel is not the exact same product as italian Dash, the smell of Ariel is different, even though being same formula...