I am looking for the FL washer with the highest temperature boost heater. I was hoping that I could buy a new Miele, but I see that in the U.S. the only model available is small. Quality is the most important issue.
Which FL Washer Has Highest Temperature Boost Heater?
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LG and Electrolux models have Sanitary cycles with NSF certification. Whirlpool has Sanitary cycle but the NSF certification was removed with model updates about 4 or 5 years ago. And I'm still pretty mad at Whirlpool about that. Currently there's one Maytag Maxima model with Allergy cycle NSF certification but there are impending model updates for both Whirl[pool and Maytag models. The separate NSF certifications are NSF P351 for Allergy and NSF P172 for Sanitize. The difference is Allergy temp was around 131 to 133 and uses more water and Sanitize temp is at least 153 degrees. I'm fortunate my 2011 Whirlpool Duet had separate NSF certifications for m Allergy cycle as well as Sanitize wash water temperature options. My Sanitize wash water temp option is not isolated to one cycle. I can select Sanitize wash water temperature for Whites, Heavy Duty, Allergy, Bulky Items, Sheets/Linens, Kids Wear, and Cotton Blankets cycles. There are those who will make fun of all those cycles, but me being me, I've studied all those cycles and they each have different tumble patters, different tumble and soak/pause patters, and use different fill levels.
George, if you're in a hurry, and per Bob's information, I suggest going with Electrolux. We had a full size Frigidaire Affinity, which was made by Electrolux, and while its customary balancing acts prior to spin were often aggravating, it cleaned well.
I opted to use the Maytag Neptune stacking pair that was left behind in our new house, and while the washer gets the job done faster than the Affinity, the actual wash (tumbling) action isn't nearly as effective as that of the Affinity. It's a trade-off I'm willing to accept, but with the Electrolux you'll get the on-board heater along with excellent wash action.
I opted to use the Maytag Neptune stacking pair that was left behind in our new house, and while the washer gets the job done faster than the Affinity, the actual wash (tumbling) action isn't nearly as effective as that of the Affinity. It's a trade-off I'm willing to accept, but with the Electrolux you'll get the on-board heater along with excellent wash action.
I went to a local appliance store where the salesman told me that Maytag will raise the water temperature 20 -- 25 degrees, that LG is made to last 5- 7 years, that Whirlpool is pretty much like Maytag, but Maytag is built to last longer, that Electrolux has a poor repair record along with LG, which he said is nearly impossible to get repaired in the Bay Area. Whom to believe???
George, member JKBFF is an appliance salesman in North Dakota. He recently posted Duets & Maximas are pretty rock solid. They don't sell many LGs and Samsung because that's what they seem to have to replace. Member Combo52 has been a repairman for 40+ years. Aside fomo Speed Queen (which doesn't have a heater), I think his next recommendation is Whirlpool or Maytag front loaders. They both have upgraded memberships as you do, you could also contact them via the private message system too.
Me, if I had to replace my Duet, it would be Maytag or Whirlpool.
Also, on WP products, if you select the heaviest soil level, that allows more time for the water to heat. The Steam for Stains option forces the heater to energize on cycles that it's an option and not used by default. That's part of the flexibility I like about WP related front loaders.
Me, if I had to replace my Duet, it would be Maytag or Whirlpool.
Also, on WP products, if you select the heaviest soil level, that allows more time for the water to heat. The Steam for Stains option forces the heater to energize on cycles that it's an option and not used by default. That's part of the flexibility I like about WP related front loaders.
If I were in the market, I'd go with Maytag or Whirlpool too, even though the Affinity only needed its pump replaced this past December after nine years of service. I made that repair myself.
The only reason I went with Frigidaire/Electrolux back in 2008 was because their full size FL machine had the same footprint as a standard top loader, and I had space limitations in the laundry room. Otherwise I'd have brought my Duet pair with me.
I would absolutely steer clear of any Korean makes.
The only reason I went with Frigidaire/Electrolux back in 2008 was because their full size FL machine had the same footprint as a standard top loader, and I had space limitations in the laundry room. Otherwise I'd have brought my Duet pair with me.
I would absolutely steer clear of any Korean makes.
Asko has a 240V washer that's 2.71 cu.ft. Don't know how hot the Sanitize cycle gets, though.
for most domestic machines, it doesn't seem to be a great increase in temps....
I was considering a heater model, but only to find out the best most could do was 140, luckily my water heater is set at 180....
I was hoping for temps close to a boil wash....at least 180/190....
some like the temps that a built in heater give.....I can't see the extra cost of having one....to each his own
I was considering a heater model, but only to find out the best most could do was 140, luckily my water heater is set at 180....
I was hoping for temps close to a boil wash....at least 180/190....
some like the temps that a built in heater give.....I can't see the extra cost of having one....to each his own
Martin, I live in an all-electric house. I keep in my water heater at 1:20. My dishwasher and my washing machine raise water temps to over 150 degrees when I need it. It saves me a lot of money! Normal hot water temperatures in the washer of 125 130 degrees as well as dishwasher of 132 144 normal is more than adequate as far as I'm concerned.
yeah, I have one PowerVent gas water heater, and it has notched settings that allow temps up to 180...
all bathroom faucets are scald-safe units....those are set to give a luke warm shower....now in the master bath, I bypass those set temps...
even my regular vent gas water heater allows temps up to 160.....
I would say that for a single person lower temps would suffice, but not really the case for me, as when it was just us two, gas is cheap enough to allow me to run temps that high....
and there are times when running several machines, a dishwasher, and having up to 10 kids, the on-demand is ready.....at a lowest temp, to mix a warm bath, you would need 60% hot to 40% cold...but at the highest setting, you may only need 30% hot water to a 70% cold.....I have never run into a case of running out of hot water when there is a high demand...
washing in hot or true warm temps, has proven to keep my machines running at top condition.....we all have seen the effects of washing in cooler to cold temps does to a machine...
I was never wild about having an electric water heater, but when we did, it seemed best to add a timer to it....but you did have to work around when the hot water I could see where heaters in machines set availability.....I could see an internal heater may be of help...
all bathroom faucets are scald-safe units....those are set to give a luke warm shower....now in the master bath, I bypass those set temps...
even my regular vent gas water heater allows temps up to 160.....
I would say that for a single person lower temps would suffice, but not really the case for me, as when it was just us two, gas is cheap enough to allow me to run temps that high....
and there are times when running several machines, a dishwasher, and having up to 10 kids, the on-demand is ready.....at a lowest temp, to mix a warm bath, you would need 60% hot to 40% cold...but at the highest setting, you may only need 30% hot water to a 70% cold.....I have never run into a case of running out of hot water when there is a high demand...
washing in hot or true warm temps, has proven to keep my machines running at top condition.....we all have seen the effects of washing in cooler to cold temps does to a machine...
I was never wild about having an electric water heater, but when we did, it seemed best to add a timer to it....but you did have to work around when the hot water I could see where heaters in machines set availability.....I could see an internal heater may be of help...
uncledave
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Pretty sure you'll find the miele's will attain and sustain a hotter temp than anything on the market today- 194
Sustaining is the trick as hot water from a tank starts cooling on its way to the washer - we do a load per day of filthy animal towels used for dog grooming on hot 60C (140f - the magic number) - the washer itself disinfects everything without bleach.
It has two setting beyond that up to 90C I rarely use.....
I went from a huge top loading maytag to a miele 1215 and worried mightily about size with myself - my wife 2 teenagers and 3 dogs in a so cal house with a swimming pool.
Much to my surprise the miele would actually clean more clothes better than the top loader- and spin dry them to a much less moisture % before they go into a dryer.
My clothes also last a lot longer than with an agitator arm type top loader.
I can wash and entire queen sized bed in one shot with 6 shams.
UD
Sustaining is the trick as hot water from a tank starts cooling on its way to the washer - we do a load per day of filthy animal towels used for dog grooming on hot 60C (140f - the magic number) - the washer itself disinfects everything without bleach.
It has two setting beyond that up to 90C I rarely use.....
I went from a huge top loading maytag to a miele 1215 and worried mightily about size with myself - my wife 2 teenagers and 3 dogs in a so cal house with a swimming pool.
Much to my surprise the miele would actually clean more clothes better than the top loader- and spin dry them to a much less moisture % before they go into a dryer.
My clothes also last a lot longer than with an agitator arm type top loader.
I can wash and entire queen sized bed in one shot with 6 shams.
UD
uncledave
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actually looks like its even hotter just checked the manual - 95 is where it will go.
203F
203F
The hottest a Miele home model at 120V goes is 75C 167F, but only on Sanitize with a reduced load IIRC, normal goes to 60C 140F. Those start at 1499$, service is horrible in the US probably.
Their 208-240V 2 phase washing machines from their professional range listed on the home site (those should still be sold to private households) go up 203F still and have probably a lifespan equal to a SQ. But AFAIK these have "service intervals" which are for mainting the machine in a commercial enviroment, but you probably could reset these on your own.
But those are about 3700$.
Compairing Asko USA manuals to the Australian once, the maximum preset is 60C / 140F and the listed usages are the same as in the American manual.
Electrolux has NSF certification on the 500 and 600 series plus the compacts.
But keep in mind that Electrolux allows for Sanitation on 3 cycles (Heavy Duty, Whites and Normal). These do not limit the load size which should be noted!
Also, the SmartBoost system seems to be pretty capable by what I've red on the EU compact versions with that system.
If you are handy checking for a Miele W1xxx series might be an option, but they still run at high voltage!
Their 208-240V 2 phase washing machines from their professional range listed on the home site (those should still be sold to private households) go up 203F still and have probably a lifespan equal to a SQ. But AFAIK these have "service intervals" which are for mainting the machine in a commercial enviroment, but you probably could reset these on your own.
But those are about 3700$.
Compairing Asko USA manuals to the Australian once, the maximum preset is 60C / 140F and the listed usages are the same as in the American manual.
Electrolux has NSF certification on the 500 and 600 series plus the compacts.
But keep in mind that Electrolux allows for Sanitation on 3 cycles (Heavy Duty, Whites and Normal). These do not limit the load size which should be noted!
Also, the SmartBoost system seems to be pretty capable by what I've red on the EU compact versions with that system.
If you are handy checking for a Miele W1xxx series might be an option, but they still run at high voltage!
Asko's heat up to 205F. Miele Little Giants heat on up there too.
dylanmitchell
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Dedicated tankless water heater for washing machine?
How about a dedicated tankless water heater? Or dedicated small tank water heater? And set them to a hight temp.
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I have a 240v receptacle where the stacking Neptunes were before I relocated them to the basement (the Neptunes operate on 120v because the dryer is gas). I can definitely see a Miele in my future if I should decide to put laundry back upstairs if I ever get tired of going up and down the stairs to the basement.
Miele - Little Giants are what you are looking for
Miele Little Giants will fill the bill.
I went through a Kenmore 'Direct Drive' Top loader, 2 sets of Asko and then finally found the Miele showroom in Dallas.
Little Giants are not cheap by any means - but they are heavy and very well built. They run on 220 and have the hot water booster you are looking for. I run Queen size quilts with no balancing issues. I wish I would have known about them before I bought Asko.
If you have any questions, please ask.
Miele Little Giants will fill the bill.
I went through a Kenmore 'Direct Drive' Top loader, 2 sets of Asko and then finally found the Miele showroom in Dallas.
Little Giants are not cheap by any means - but they are heavy and very well built. They run on 220 and have the hot water booster you are looking for. I run Queen size quilts with no balancing issues. I wish I would have known about them before I bought Asko.
If you have any questions, please ask.
wft2800
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If you want bigger capacity than the Miele Little Giants, I wonder if you could get them to sell you the Octoplus machines? There's the PW5080 (8kg) washer & matching dryer (also available as a single stacked unit), and the bigger PW5105 (10kg) version (no stacker or matching dryer available).
Other options might be a commercial FL from Alliance (Unimac UYN series) or Whirlpool (ADC)?
All likely to be very expensive!
I really don't understand why America, with its hot-fill machines, can't have a 90-95c boil wash. This side of the pond, it's cold fill only, but we get 95c anyway. That said, my Miele struggles to heat to that level when I've filled it right up using the extra rinse cycle to begin with, so I've taken to filling it with hot using a spare drain hose fixed to the kitchen hot tap and stuck in the Miele's powder drawer...
Other options might be a commercial FL from Alliance (Unimac UYN series) or Whirlpool (ADC)?
All likely to be very expensive!
I really don't understand why America, with its hot-fill machines, can't have a 90-95c boil wash. This side of the pond, it's cold fill only, but we get 95c anyway. That said, my Miele struggles to heat to that level when I've filled it right up using the extra rinse cycle to begin with, so I've taken to filling it with hot using a spare drain hose fixed to the kitchen hot tap and stuck in the Miele's powder drawer...
