Why does everybody hate the new Maytag Jetclean dishwashers?

[maytaga806]

Hello, I have noticed that Maytag Jetclean dishwashers are hated by people. I understand that they sometimes have issues, and I know its my Whirlpool. But why does everybody hate it? My grandma used to have Maytag Quiet Series 300, and it was stainless steel inside and out. I loved that dishwasher. It was perfect. One time when I opened it during the Sanitize cycle I almost got a steam burn. But anyway, whats wrong with the new Jetclean dishwashers?

 

[yogitunes]

you have to be a little more specific of which one you are talking about.....and built by who?....

the common analogy for any machine built today, wether washer or dishwasher, is the lack or less use of water, certain models that was one level at a time, and cycles taking waaaaay to long to run....

we just run into the same wall, efficient or effective.....there doesn't seem to be both!

there will be improvements in the future, just like HE washers are getting better use of the small water amount compared to when they first came out, they still have a ways to go......dishwashers will follow....

their not exactly far off in better designs of the bottom of the tub and sump area, more efficent motors, and better on capacity.....but still have a ways to go.....

this isn't much different than the Maytag washers built by Maytag, the machine was to be Dependable, and thats all that mattered, washing a load effectively was a second thought....hence the sliding motor to give into a heavy load.....

the same thought is going into a dishwasher, Efficient is the key, not effective at cleaning....right now their in the experimental stages of trying to do both, with a bunch of gimmicks, eventually there will be a few outstanding machines...

but this is not just appliances, it can be TV's, or clothing, even Automobiles.....what were looking for is an efficient but effective way of doing things....

I say forget about water usage, it can be renewed, Petro/Gas can not.....if they want to work on something....make a HummerSUV run a 100 miles on a cup of gasoline....then you would be on to something...

 

[re563]

Well first of all.........

I had a Maytag reversa rack dishwasher from the '70s. The capacity in that dishwasher could not be beat. The true Maytag Jetclean dishwashers had a full size wash arm in the bottom and on the top of the tub. There was a tower in the center of the tub from the bottom wash arm. Ture 3 level wash. The original Jetclean dishwashers could hold a ton of dishes, glasses and cookware and clean it totally clean. The normal cycle used 11 gallons of water. The cycle was pre-rinse, main wash and two full after rinses, dry. What they are calling "jet-clean" is no where near what the original was.

 

[logixx]

I remember a recent review of some JetClean model and I don't think it was all too efficient: the Heavy cycle used 12 gallons and took over three hours. That's more water than the Reverse Rack model mentioned above.

I don't think modern dishwasher can't clean well. Frigilux' new GE did well on the pots and pans load. Yes, it took 75 minutes more than my Bavaria-made Bosch and probably used more water as well... but it certainly cleaned like a champ.

 

[logixx]

I remember a recent review of some JetClean model and I don't think it was all too efficient: the Heavy cycle used 12 gallons and took over three hours. That's more water than the Reverse Rack model mentioned above.

I don't think modern dishwasher can't clean well. Frigilux' new GE did well on the pots and pans load. Yes, it took 75 minutes more than my Bavaria-made Bosch and probably used more water as well... but it certainly cleaned like a champ.

 

[tomturbomatic]

There is also the factor of the new detergent formulations that do not deal as well with harder water as the previous formulations. With the poorer washing results & inadequate rinsing because of water rationing, there are troubles that develop with the pumps and water systems clogging with mineral & food gunk because the pumps are smaller and lower powered so not only is there less water available to flush away the soil and detergent, there is less water pressure to move the things that are causing clogging.

There is, however, no way that you can compare the performance of new dishwashers against their brandmates from decades past. I noticed that with the 21 and 22 series KitchenAids that reduced the after-rinses to one and left fine dusty film on everything unless I stood there with 3 quarts of hot water to add once the fill was complete for the after wash purge.

Martin, I agree with you about the water, but while the water is not scarce, they are saying that the energy to heat it is very dear. Maybe our improving gas reserves will change that; I don't know.

 

[maytaga806]

Well, it seems like everyone tries to avoid the Jetclean Plus. Whats so wrong with it? People think Maytag suck. Maytag doesnt. I know its by whirlpool, but I like Maytag's style better.

 

[yogitunes]

as with anything...GO Vintage, or go Home!......

any machine can be a problem child, for any given reason, but if it's what you like, and can adapt to it's washing ability for your own personal results....go fot it!....

we all have machines like this one way or another, one person's nightmare is anothers dream....

Neptunes have a bad rap, so did the Calypso's....but you can't talk me out of keeping any one belonging to my collection....

I just changed out a universal joint and leveler on a Calypso I just got.....I am so excited venturing into something I knew very little about, easier than you think, now it purrs right along....a little more cleanup, and one more added to the collection...

I have to agree though, Maytag dishwashers seem to have a nicer look to them...

 

[iheartmaytag]

As my Dad would say

You can buy a lemon in any bunch. My last Maytag, a quiet series 300 was a lemon from day one. Three control boards, rusted racks within 18 months. My previous Maytag Jetclean was a trooper and would wash anything, just had a little fire problem with a leaky rinse aid dispenser.

Maytag started to get a bad rep towards the end of the real Maytag's life. The stuff they were turning into the market place was not up to the standards that had previously been known as Maytag.

Others here have had issues with Kitchenaid, I bought a new Kitchenaid and am very happy with it. I have actually heard very good things about the current Maytags, though water hogs, they do get the dishes clean.

 

[whirlcool]

We have one of the last Maytag Series 300 and I think it cleans as well as the 1991 Maytag dishwasher we had in our last house.

There are some major differences however.

The 1991 Maytag(MOL) was so well built you could open the door and stand on it. That machine was built like a tank. Nothing ever went wrong with it for the 8 years we used it. The racks could have been better designed but it worked for us just fine provided we pre ran the hot water until hot water arrived at the kitchen sink.

The 2008 Maytag Jet Clean we have is sturdy enough, just barely though. It has an internal heater that heats the water up if it's not 160F (If sanitize is selected). We prime the hot water line to just to help it along. The racks are all nylon so no wear yet. The racks are much better designed and we love the pull apart utensil holder in it. I wouldn't even try to stand on this one with the door open. So far in five years of ownership we haven't had one single problem with it yet.

After using KitchenAid, GE, Kenmore, Maytag & Whirlpool dishwashers over the years I think that as long as the water going into the machine is as hot as possible and you are using enough detergent any dishwasher will clean reasonably well.

The woman down the street claims her KitchenAid doesn't clean worth crap is her own problem. She NEVER primes the hot water, she puts in a dime sized squirt of the cheapest liquid detergent she can find in the detergent cup and then expects the machine to clean burned on foods completely off her utensils. We have told her this is not the way to use a dishwasher she is essentially washing her dishes in cold water. She's too cheap to select the higher temp options. And she won't turn her hot water tank up past the "Vacation" mark on the dial.

 

[appnut]

current Maytags, though water hogs,

Everyone who has been harping on and on about these using such huge amounts of water? Vintage machines used as much, if not more. And also, please understand, the Heavy/Pots & Pans cycle is the only one the manual states uses 12 gallons of water. The other cycles use 4-7 gallons for a cycle.

 

[logixx]

Yeah but... vintage dishwashers did the job fast - unlike some Maytags.

 

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[logixx]

By the way, has anyone ever used a modern dishwasher like an old-school model with just one wash arm? I was at my a relative's house over the weekend and someone managed to block the middle spray arm with a large bowl in the lower rack, which was otherwise loaded with plates, more small bowls and a pan. To my surprise, glasses and mugs in the upper rack were spotless after the 90-minute cycle. I'm gonna dig up some old threads of one-arm-wonders to see how you guys load them and will try it in my Bosch, too.

 

[iheartmaytag]

I only mention water hog

Because someone else would have corrected me if I didn't.
Our first dishwasher, a GE Mobile Maid used approximately 15 gallons of water per cycle.
Out next DW was a GE Potscrubber that used approx 13 gal.
Maytag Jet clean 11 gal
Maytag 300 Series 9 gal
Newest and most current dw in my kitchen Kitchenaid 6 gal.

Water didn't concern me that much, my biggest distaste for the last Maytag was the un-reliability and constant repairs, where A&E did not stock the parts to someone would come out, they would dx the problem, then a week or two later come and fix install the part. During that time I was without a dishwasher.

I am sure I would have the same scenario with the Kitchenaid, just luckily it has not required any repairs-yet.