Will The TR Series Ever Go Away? Please?

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It took a while for me to get my partner to stop stuffing full the washer a few years ago. He'd have it so full there was hardly any space left for any water and boy when it went into the dryer did it stink our house up some good, like a dirty locker room stink . To be honest I hadn't really been paying attention to what he was doing and it was the stink that got me up out of the chair to see where it was emanating from

Things are much better now but I do occaionally go check
 
Then it really makes me wonder if people actually can buy

A machine that they can stuff and it’s designed to be stuffed so it can be washed properly? I mean that’s an idea but I’m not exactly sure if that will alleviate the thing of stuffing or make it worse
 
My New TR7......and I don't mean Triumph!!!

I just bought a TR7 to replace a 2008 Maytag Performa. I love the auto-fill feature, as well as the effective spin-dry. I wasn't impressed with many of the top-loaders that have impellers or useless agitators. I know we are using less water per load and the clothes aren't spending as much time in the dryer. Everything has come out clean and there is much less lint on the dryer screen. Two large, dirty rugs washed out beautifully. The cycles are not as fast, and the agitation is not as aggressive as the Classic-Clean series, but for our laundry needs, it fits perfectly. I do hear a lot of water sloshing around in that tub......If only I could watch it.
 
You can certainly blame the US federal government regulators for the current state we’re in with our washing machines. I think it will soon get worse with the newest green energy legislation.

Glad I have my TR5 as it washes everything I’ve thrown at it just fine. It also fits in the same space as my old Maytag transmission washer, it’s much quieter, has auto-fill and short cycle times and no lid lock until agitation begins. I’m pretty sure it will see me out.
 
I just had a service technician come fix our LG washer today. We were talking about the TR series and I didn't know this but he actually said that Speed Queen got fined for marketing the machines when they first came out as also being used for commercial applicants.
 
Not sure why Speed Queen doesn't program 180 degree agitation on the TR series that matches the TC. Problem solved and no transmission to fail.
 
Reply #72

Dan, I totally agree with you and have wondered about this often. Surely the lack of a transmission doesn't mean SQ can't unbolt the agitator from the tub, create a true dual-action system, and have a 360-degree stroke like that found on the agitator VMW machines. I honestly liked the wash action on my VMW Whirlpool but the noise was horrible and it wasn't reliable. I'd actually buy one of the TR machines if it had that wash action. That as well as being transmissionless and virtually silent would make it a great machine for many people including myself. SQ definitely missed an opportunity there.
 
Sounds like a crazy idea, but I wish they’d add a selector switch or a selectable program to choose the degree of agitation suited for the load you are washing. Shorter and faster strokes of agitation for aggressive wash action or long and slow agitation strokes for lightly soiled items or delicates. Definitely would add flexibility to the machine since you would literally be able to literally select the degree of the agitation arc.
 
Americans are to blame. If you want high efficiency get a front loader to heat the water from cold with detergent formulated to work in stages. Anything else is playing pretend. There is no other way to do it. Either replicate the EU system or stick with a full tub of hot/warm water and a central agitator.  Either works, anything in between won't. Evidence based reasoning needs to come to fruition.
 
( Americans are to blame )

Boy, that’s a nasty thought.

There is nothing particularly efficient about heating cold water with an electric heater in front load washer unless you already have an all electric house with resistance electric water heating.

Warm rinseing in a top loader doesn’t improve cleaning at all.

Front loading washers far out clean top load washers because of the higher detergent, concentration and longer cycle time and use far less energy.

TR Speed Queen top load washers use far less electricity and spin the clothes drier and the TC series Speed Queens, they do take longer, however, and they do not have as strong an agitation, but they do an excellent job getting stains out while being easy on clothing, it’s your choice. What type of washer you want that’s one of the wonderful things about living in the US. We have a wide choice of sizes and styles of machines, including a lot of great imported washing machines for people that want compact high-efficiency washers.

John
 
Idling a tank, having the heat radiate off into the walls, then filling the machine with cooled water is the epitome of wasting energy. Heating the water inside the machine to the specific fabric type saves energy while simultaneously producing superior cleaning results- both of which have been proven by every objective measure over the last of 80 years. Detergent concentration alone does not mimic staggered cleaning. Americans can wait two hours to do a load of laundry, yet no one has considered that a 1,500 watt heater would be more than sufficient to amply heat the water in that time period. Show me all the 120 volt 60Hz US machine which let you choose a dozen boosted wash temperatures based on fabric type all the way up to a boil wash. I'll wait...

 

 

 
 
Jerome, why do you keep on bringing these old threads back? As mentioned, we all new the TR machines aren’t great.

Btw, here’s the comment from Jerome in a reply on YouTube. He seems to to fixated 1000x more on this subject than I ever have (maybe for me in late 2017/early 2018, but that’s a long time ago) in the almost 7 years I’ve been on the site.

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still being made

Because they're still being made, and it's still being touted as the best washer on the market. No amount of reprogramming will change the wash action as far as I'm concerned. You can't put a lipstick on a pig and call it good. Speed Queen could've just put a durable mode shifter in there and left the agitator to work independently. 7 years later and they're still being sold.
 
To be fair, I think we must also consider this through Jerome's life experience. He has witnessed a very tough good performing washer (and appliance line in general), one with the most weight and metal, turn into the ultimate diorama of obsolesce by design. The transformation so stark that it is enough to radicalize even a reasonable person. Whirlpool, Maytag, Westinghouse, Frigidaire, Hobart, ect all had either betterment in quality, a very slow yet steady decline or their original products were of poor make to begin with. For many of us here there was no real "shock" into the modern transition. It was gradual over the span of 30-50 years as appose to 6 months.
 
thank you

Thank you Chet! This is why I keep going on and on, because apparently nothing has changed and the manufacturers don't listen until they're sued into the ground. Remember the post GE filter-flos? That washer shook like it wanted to fall apart. Little did I know that it was the beginning of the end. Look at where we are now. I am shocked that my post GE filter-flo lasted 17 years.
 
Speed Queen indie rock

I think of Speed Queen as the indie rock music of washers and dryers. Simple, effective, does what it needs to do. Just like indie rock has simple, tasteful and melodic tones. None of this flashy stuff or flashy buttons on a Speed Queen, just like indie rock doesn't have unnecessary drum solos all over the place. Just tasteful drum beats with the classic hi-hats on verses, ride cymbal during chorus, and crash on the transitions. Just like Speed Queen Classic just washes, rinses, and dries right. None of this excessive stuff. I hope you get my analogy. Both are simple and effective no flashiness, no trying hard to be something they're not, just real stuff that does what they need. Nothing else.
 
Jerome- word of advice- don't discredit yourself. Don't hand out free kryptonite to your detractors. 17 years is a compliment to GE. Many post FF washers did not last that long. And when they did fail, they had to be scrapped. If 17 years was the norm I'd be celebrating.

 

I get your analogy. A pragmatic washer sounds like music. A durable washer sings with fineness. Post FF washers sounded like self destruction while TR Speed Queens sound like a ghost. Neither pleasant.
 

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