Will The TR Series Ever Go Away? Please?

[Chetlaham]

Americans are to blame. If you want high efficiency get a front loader to heat the water from cold with detergent formulated to work in stages. Anything else is playing pretend. There is no other way to do it. Either replicate the EU system or stick with a full tub of hot/warm water and a central agitator.  Either works, anything in between won't. Evidence based reasoning needs to come to fruition.

 

[combo52]

( Americans are to blame )

Boy, that’s a nasty thought.

There is nothing particularly efficient about heating cold water with an electric heater in front load washer unless you already have an all electric house with resistance electric water heating.

Warm rinseing in a top loader doesn’t improve cleaning at all.

Front loading washers far out clean top load washers because of the higher detergent, concentration and longer cycle time and use far less energy.

TR Speed Queen top load washers use far less electricity and spin the clothes drier and the TC series Speed Queens, they do take longer, however, and they do not have as strong an agitation, but they do an excellent job getting stains out while being easy on clothing, it’s your choice. What type of washer you want that’s one of the wonderful things about living in the US. We have a wide choice of sizes and styles of machines, including a lot of great imported washing machines for people that want compact high-efficiency washers.

John

 

[Chetlaham]

Idling a tank, having the heat radiate off into the walls, then filling the machine with cooled water is the epitome of wasting energy. Heating the water inside the machine to the specific fabric type saves energy while simultaneously producing superior cleaning results- both of which have been proven by every objective measure over the last of 80 years. Detergent concentration alone does not mimic staggered cleaning. Americans can wait two hours to do a load of laundry, yet no one has considered that a 1,500 watt heater would be more than sufficient to amply heat the water in that time period. Show me all the 120 volt 60Hz US machine which let you choose a dozen boosted wash temperatures based on fabric type all the way up to a boil wash. I'll wait...

 

 

 

 

[maytag85]

Jerome, why do you keep on bringing these old threads back? As mentioned, we all new the TR machines aren’t great.

Btw, here’s the comment from Jerome in a reply on YouTube. He seems to to fixated 1000x more on this subject than I ever have (maybe for me in late 2017/early 2018, but that’s a long time ago) in the almost 7 years I’ve been on the site.

 

[maytag85]

Reply #82, replying to myself

I might add, time is like money, be wise with how you use it.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

still being made

Because they're still being made, and it's still being touted as the best washer on the market. No amount of reprogramming will change the wash action as far as I'm concerned. You can't put a lipstick on a pig and call it good. Speed Queen could've just put a durable mode shifter in there and left the agitator to work independently. 7 years later and they're still being sold.

 

[maytag85]

You are wasting your time, Jerome.

 

[Chetlaham]

To be fair, I think we must also consider this through Jerome's life experience. He has witnessed a very tough good performing washer (and appliance line in general), one with the most weight and metal, turn into the ultimate diorama of obsolesce by design. The transformation so stark that it is enough to radicalize even a reasonable person. Whirlpool, Maytag, Westinghouse, Frigidaire, Hobart, ect all had either betterment in quality, a very slow yet steady decline or their original products were of poor make to begin with. For many of us here there was no real "shock" into the modern transition. It was gradual over the span of 30-50 years as appose to 6 months.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

thank you

Thank you Chet! This is why I keep going on and on, because apparently nothing has changed and the manufacturers don't listen until they're sued into the ground. Remember the post GE filter-flos? That washer shook like it wanted to fall apart. Little did I know that it was the beginning of the end. Look at where we are now. I am shocked that my post GE filter-flo lasted 17 years.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

Speed Queen indie rock

I think of Speed Queen as the indie rock music of washers and dryers. Simple, effective, does what it needs to do. Just like indie rock has simple, tasteful and melodic tones. None of this flashy stuff or flashy buttons on a Speed Queen, just like indie rock doesn't have unnecessary drum solos all over the place. Just tasteful drum beats with the classic hi-hats on verses, ride cymbal during chorus, and crash on the transitions. Just like Speed Queen Classic just washes, rinses, and dries right. None of this excessive stuff. I hope you get my analogy. Both are simple and effective no flashiness, no trying hard to be something they're not, just real stuff that does what they need. Nothing else.

 

[Chetlaham]

Jerome- word of advice- don't discredit yourself. Don't hand out free kryptonite to your detractors. 17 years is a compliment to GE. Many post FF washers did not last that long. And when they did fail, they had to be scrapped. If 17 years was the norm I'd be celebrating.

 

I get your analogy. A pragmatic washer sounds like music. A durable washer sings with fineness. Post FF washers sounded like self destruction while TR Speed Queens sound like a ghost. Neither pleasant.

 

[pierreandreply4]

if i look at this from a positive you

If i look at this from a positive you they will improuve the model i know because if it would not of been for the high price the tr7 or tc 5 washer dryer set i would of own back in 2021 i am still keeping in note these 2 models because i curently have a maytag but the big question i am asking myself is how long will it last its curently giving me the F0E4 error code water to hot so i have been questoning myself if its not a defect from the washer itself when i go in diognostic mode and test hot water it works fine

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to chet

I was shocked when my GE post filter-flo washer lasted that long. That's saying something. Like I said, I consider Speed Queen Classic the indie rock of washers and dryers. Simple and effective, no flashiness, and has everything you need. Just like the drums in indie rock have simple grooves with the 3 most important cymbals like hats on verses, ride cymbal on chorus, and crash during transition. Nothing else. That's it. That's all you need. Just some clean vibes through and through. Need I say more? And you can't find it anywhere else. Too many people just want flashiness and style instead of substance.

 

[mark_wpduet]

A lot of youtube repair techs will talk about how all other appliances are junk and that your best option would be a SQ... but it annoys me that they never elaborate on the TR 7 being pretty bad in comparison to the other SQ models..I feel like in their mind as long as it's SQ it will last and that's all that matters... it doesn't matter if it rolls over the load painfully slow. If I were a tech making videos recommending SQ, I would at least say (avoid this particlar series) but the rest are fine..

I've seen it do pretty well at rolling over a load if it's something like sheets or towels..but jeans or anything stiff...the yellow microfiber cloth thrown in on the top STAYED on the top through the ENTIRE wash... It just floated there the entire time.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

classic

This is why I prefer the Speed Queen Classic. My apartment complex has the coin operated version.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

to chetlaham

I'm glad you liked my analogy of Speed Queen Classic and indie rock music. I should also mention that both are gentle yet effective. Speed Queen's agitation is long and slow yet gets the job done and is gentle on your laundry without beating the fibers out of them, just like indie rock is gentle on your ears. Chill and mellow, yet melodious and full of substance. Again this is just an analogy. See them above.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

pragmatic washer and indie rock analogy

Speed Queen Classic Laundry is a pragmatic washer and dryer pair, just like indie rock is a pragmatic style of music. nice and smooth, chill vibes, just like Speed Queen Classic cleanliness gives me the vibe of fresh and clean clothes.

 

[panasonicvac]

Recently had a family reunion this past memorial weekend and visited with my uncle who owns that TR7/DR7 pair from post #6, loves it still.

 

[william8]

Indie music?

Since when is indie music "nice and smooth"? It can be any style of music. Remember Grunge?

I don't worry about the TR series, my wife wanted a top loader, so I chose the TC5. No one will force you to get the TR.

I've done about 8 loads so far (three weeks old), and I like it. Have only used the "bulky" setting so far, seems perfect for a standard load, and only takes 35 minutes. Haven't even tried deep fill yet, except for initial test load to clean the new washer. Bulky water level is about right for our loads, covers the clothes/towels, etc.

 

[gelaundry4ever]

analogy

I'm just coming up with an analogy between indie and speed queen.