210 Arc-Cuate Tranny
operation! Holla its not just Ad-Hype!!
operation! Holla its not just Ad-Hype!!
Work begins on the1957 Speed Queen TOL
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Wow!
I think this transmission was a "sludge monster." Those in the Automotive Industry viewing, THAT TRANSMISSION is what your fine engine will look like with extended oil change intervals
Still, what a uniquely simple transmission design. It clearly did the laundry, and THEN some.
It also looks like a very efficient, un-wasteful design. The old "Keep it Simple Stupid" rule certainly pays off, I think.
Was this a fluid-driven transmission, or just directly from a clutch and/or belt?
I think this transmission was a "sludge monster." Those in the Automotive Industry viewing, THAT TRANSMISSION is what your fine engine will look like with extended oil change intervals
Still, what a uniquely simple transmission design. It clearly did the laundry, and THEN some.
It also looks like a very efficient, un-wasteful design. The old "Keep it Simple Stupid" rule certainly pays off, I think.
Was this a fluid-driven transmission, or just directly from a clutch and/or belt?
toploader55
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"Solenoid Symphony"
Mom used to let me load the washers. Then I would put in the quarter, (Yes, the Speed Queens were a quarter in 1963) And then I would start the machines in 3 second intervals. When it came to the first spin you heard evenly spaced solenoids engaging.
Do you think I was into it back then ???
Incredible Job on that transmission clean up Jon.
Mom used to let me load the washers. Then I would put in the quarter, (Yes, the Speed Queens were a quarter in 1963) And then I would start the machines in 3 second intervals. When it came to the first spin you heard evenly spaced solenoids engaging.
Do you think I was into it back then ???
Incredible Job on that transmission clean up Jon.
A recharge for
another 57 years of quiet smooth operation!
another 57 years of quiet smooth operation!
This is a fluid drive
mechanism, now I need to find out what type of oil they used in the fluid drive-- anybody know?
mechanism, now I need to find out what type of oil they used in the fluid drive-- anybody know?
Nothing in the service book about that?? I'd guess it'd be a heavy gear oil...
I just talked to Robert about this a few weeks ago while at Don's. I figured it would require something similar to ATF, or a like Dextron III auto trans fluid, considering the fluid drive does act similar to a torque converter.
Robert had mentioned that he adds zoom spout oil to the drive, and it works well for him. I wouldn't use anything with a heavy viscosity.
Ben
Robert had mentioned that he adds zoom spout oil to the drive, and it works well for him. I wouldn't use anything with a heavy viscosity.
Ben
Jon.....a million thanks for the detailed videos.....sometimes wish trannies had a clear plastic top cover, just to watch them in motion...
Zoom spout oil works best as a replacement for the fluid drive.....but there is a fine line of how much oil is allowed to function, and yet not cause the motor to kick out....
also, these fluid drives can act like a refrigerator compressor, if you lay the machine/fluid drive on its side, it may take a day for the oil to settle for it to operate correctly.....just keep that in mind....
I will check my service manuals for any indication of weight of oil, and how much equals full...I will get back to you....
man, how I wish I could be there to witness all of this rebuild....but these pics and vids are the next best thing...
Zoom spout oil works best as a replacement for the fluid drive.....but there is a fine line of how much oil is allowed to function, and yet not cause the motor to kick out....
also, these fluid drives can act like a refrigerator compressor, if you lay the machine/fluid drive on its side, it may take a day for the oil to settle for it to operate correctly.....just keep that in mind....
I will check my service manuals for any indication of weight of oil, and how much equals full...I will get back to you....
man, how I wish I could be there to witness all of this rebuild....but these pics and vids are the next best thing...
Transmission Oil
Hi Jon
Great teardown and rebuild: not sure if this helps, but my Simpson Fluid Drive manuals (which have the same transmission) specify a 'viscolite H.H.' oil....that's all they say.
I actually have a spare SQ tranny in a box that I had sent out from the US some years ago.
Cheers
Leon
Hi Jon
Great teardown and rebuild: not sure if this helps, but my Simpson Fluid Drive manuals (which have the same transmission) specify a 'viscolite H.H.' oil....that's all they say.
I actually have a spare SQ tranny in a box that I had sent out from the US some years ago.
Cheers
Leon
Thats interesting Leon
As, Mobil lists Viscolite HH as being ISO Viscosity 460 !
Equivalent to Shell Vitrea 460.
Thats a high viscosity, I wonder what the viscosity of Dexron is ?
After more reading I see ISO 460 is about the same as SAE 95 oil. Gear oils are typically 90 wgt. so its a little heavier than gear oil.
Leon I found this is the closest to your Viscolite HH, I don't need a whole gallon of the stuff so am searching for a quart.
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As, Mobil lists Viscolite HH as being ISO Viscosity 460 !
Equivalent to Shell Vitrea 460.
Thats a high viscosity, I wonder what the viscosity of Dexron is ?
After more reading I see ISO 460 is about the same as SAE 95 oil. Gear oils are typically 90 wgt. so its a little heavier than gear oil.
Leon I found this is the closest to your Viscolite HH, I don't need a whole gallon of the stuff so am searching for a quart.
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Interesting....
Interesting that you mention SHELL, because that IS one of the brands mentioned in a manual for the first Fluid Drives built in the late 50's and 60s here in Oz
SHELL Viscolite HH....so 'could' be the Vitrea 460?
Leon
Interesting that you mention SHELL, because that IS one of the brands mentioned in a manual for the first Fluid Drives built in the late 50's and 60s here in Oz
SHELL Viscolite HH....so 'could' be the Vitrea 460?
Leon
hippiedoll
Well-known member
jetcone...
thank you for those 2 short videos showing how the transmission works. i really appreciated & enjoyed the handpowered demonstration, showing the workings/movings of the transmission. and it answer a longtime question of mine; how does the agitator move back & forth if a motor only spins in one direction.
and now thanks to you, i got to see it happening first hand with your video.
so, THANK YOU for the videos.
maybe it's cuz i'm mechanically challenged, but i never could imagine how the motor's one direction motion, could cause a 2-way, back & forth motion. and now i see.
)
thank you for those 2 short videos showing how the transmission works. i really appreciated & enjoyed the handpowered demonstration, showing the workings/movings of the transmission. and it answer a longtime question of mine; how does the agitator move back & forth if a motor only spins in one direction.
and now thanks to you, i got to see it happening first hand with your video.
so, THANK YOU for the videos.
maybe it's cuz i'm mechanically challenged, but i never could imagine how the motor's one direction motion, could cause a 2-way, back & forth motion. and now i see.
)
hippiedoll
Well-known member
question.....
how does the control panel work on this speed queen washer?? like how do you select a hot, warm, or cold wash and a warm, or cold rinse, and so forth?? the controls knobs have me confused. so please be sure to show a video of how the knobs on the control panel work. ok???
i'll be coming back to see.....
thank you jetcone
)
how does the control panel work on this speed queen washer?? like how do you select a hot, warm, or cold wash and a warm, or cold rinse, and so forth?? the controls knobs have me confused. so please be sure to show a video of how the knobs on the control panel work. ok???
i'll be coming back to see.....
thank you jetcone
)
Your welcome
Hippiedoll
That's one of the reasons I post specific restoration information here. I like you in younger days also was puzzled until I tore down my first transmission.
I have been reading doctrine at night and this machine gets more fascinating the more I read. I found out the TIME button has two settings one is a long wash 11-4 where the machine starts agitation 1 minute before full fill and the bottom 7-2 minutes is a shortened wash where the machine starts agitation 3 minutes or thereabouts after full fill and then !!!! it stops and soaks in the MIDDLE of the wash cycle then starts agitation again for 1 minute before spin!
Also I learned that ALL the cabinet panels come off this machine easily and independently !
It is an amazing piece of engineering!
Also the fluid drive was also used on the Doodlebug Scooter in WWII for getting around with the gas rationing.
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Hippiedoll
That's one of the reasons I post specific restoration information here. I like you in younger days also was puzzled until I tore down my first transmission.
I have been reading doctrine at night and this machine gets more fascinating the more I read. I found out the TIME button has two settings one is a long wash 11-4 where the machine starts agitation 1 minute before full fill and the bottom 7-2 minutes is a shortened wash where the machine starts agitation 3 minutes or thereabouts after full fill and then !!!! it stops and soaks in the MIDDLE of the wash cycle then starts agitation again for 1 minute before spin!
Also I learned that ALL the cabinet panels come off this machine easily and independently !
It is an amazing piece of engineering!
Also the fluid drive was also used on the Doodlebug Scooter in WWII for getting around with the gas rationing.
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Your welcome
Hippiedoll
That's one of the reasons I post specific restoration information here. I like you in younger days also was puzzled until I tore down my first transmission.
I have been reading doctrine at night and this machine gets more fascinating the more I read. I found out the TIME button has two settings one is a long wash 11-7 where the machine starts agitation 1 minute before full fill and the bottom 7-2 minutes is a shortened wash where the machine starts agitation 3 minutes or thereabouts after full fill and then !!!! it stops and soaks in the MIDDLE of the wash cycle then starts agitation again for 1 minute before spin!
Also I learned that ALL the cabinet panels come off this machine easily and independently !
It is an amazing piece of engineering!
Also the fluid drive was also used on the Doodlebug Scooter in WWII for getting around with the gas rationing.
Hippiedoll
That's one of the reasons I post specific restoration information here. I like you in younger days also was puzzled until I tore down my first transmission.
I have been reading doctrine at night and this machine gets more fascinating the more I read. I found out the TIME button has two settings one is a long wash 11-7 where the machine starts agitation 1 minute before full fill and the bottom 7-2 minutes is a shortened wash where the machine starts agitation 3 minutes or thereabouts after full fill and then !!!! it stops and soaks in the MIDDLE of the wash cycle then starts agitation again for 1 minute before spin!
Also I learned that ALL the cabinet panels come off this machine easily and independently !
It is an amazing piece of engineering!
Also the fluid drive was also used on the Doodlebug Scooter in WWII for getting around with the gas rationing.
Clean contacts
and lubed bearings make for a 'happy humming motor'
and lubed bearings make for a 'happy humming motor'
The SQ "Arcurate" transmission mechanism is simpler than what I originally imagined!Like the way the device works-Just a lever and a few gears!Keep such a device properly lubed and it should work almost indefinenetly.I think a device such as this will outlast the modern designs we see today-and this older one can be fixed!!!
oddly enough, they could have made that tranny shorter, not that space was an issue inside the machine, but seems like a lot of wasted space in the middle of the transmission...
still...a very simple design compared to most
still...a very simple design compared to most
