if a freezer can have a Bob Load?
Louie, would you believe, according to my bottom mount Kenmore Elite, yes!!!!!!.
Louie, would you believe, according to my bottom mount Kenmore Elite, yes!!!!!!.
1966 General Electric Spacemaker 19 Refrigerator MOD. TCF19DBC P.2
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Temperature in refrigerator section hovering around 34F. Freezer section at -4F. Amp draw only goes beyond 5 at compressor startup. Once it settles down, it never goes above 4.8. Today, most of the groceries will return to the kitchen refrigerator, as I had emptied it to give a thorough cleaning (God, the things you find in there). The Spacesaver will be regulated for beverage, overflow duty.
2010 General Electric Refrigerator
Nothing special. Manufactured July, 2010. Currently the daily driver in the kitchen.
The 1966 GE is the back-up to this one.
Hopefully the daily driver will be replaced by the 1964 General Electric Spacesaver currently visiting Martin (Yogitunes).
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Nothing special. Manufactured July, 2010. Currently the daily driver in the kitchen.
The 1966 GE is the back-up to this one.
Hopefully the daily driver will be replaced by the 1964 General Electric Spacesaver currently visiting Martin (Yogitunes).
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Now what?
Well, woke up this morning to the same issue. Compressor cycling on and off every minute or so. Temperatures rising inside the refrigerator/freezer. However AMP draw remains normal between 4.9 and 5.2. Mad dash in moving the remaining groceries to the GE daily driver. Apparently, unless I got yet another defective one, the 3n'1 was not at fault.
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Well, woke up this morning to the same issue. Compressor cycling on and off every minute or so. Temperatures rising inside the refrigerator/freezer. However AMP draw remains normal between 4.9 and 5.2. Mad dash in moving the remaining groceries to the GE daily driver. Apparently, unless I got yet another defective one, the 3n'1 was not at fault.
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Compressor Starting Problems
Not so good morning Louie, I don't think that the 3 in 1 relays can handle the 4-5 amp draw of an old compressor for very long, I was concerned about the nearly 5 amp draw you were measuring.
You may have to go back to a mechanical relay and conventual overload. You could also add a start capacitor and it would be interesting to try adding a run capacitor as well, this can bring down the running watts [ and temperature ] of an older compressor like this one.
John L.
Not so good morning Louie, I don't think that the 3 in 1 relays can handle the 4-5 amp draw of an old compressor for very long, I was concerned about the nearly 5 amp draw you were measuring.
You may have to go back to a mechanical relay and conventual overload. You could also add a start capacitor and it would be interesting to try adding a run capacitor as well, this can bring down the running watts [ and temperature ] of an older compressor like this one.
John L.
Thanks John.
Thanks for the advice. The maximum amp draw for this refrigerator is 6.6. So the current amp draw is too low?
Thanks for the advice. The maximum amp draw for this refrigerator is 6.6. So the current amp draw is too low?
Stunning!
Hi, I just read this thread and pt 1. You did an awesome job on this! It looks stunning (even brand new!) Your attention to detail is remarkable! Based on all this I'm highly considering putting in a vintage unit like this when I remodel my kitchen. I'm sorry that it is giving you some trouble again, but I'm sure you'll get it fixed.
Thank you for documenting the process; I learned a lot about these units!
Hi, I just read this thread and pt 1. You did an awesome job on this! It looks stunning (even brand new!) Your attention to detail is remarkable! Based on all this I'm highly considering putting in a vintage unit like this when I remodel my kitchen. I'm sorry that it is giving you some trouble again, but I'm sure you'll get it fixed.
Thank you for documenting the process; I learned a lot about these units!
Hello Alan, and thank you. Glad you enjoyed the threads. They are indeed handsome beasts and along with the quality, is why I am so hooked on them. Wishing you the best of luck in finding your own. Please keep us posted!
John, I made a mistake, the maximum amp draw is 5.8, not 6.6.
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Tomorrow I am buying a Supco 3 n'1 straight from a factory authorized dealer. No more Amazon. I am certain I got another knock-off even though I purchased it from another vendor.
RCO410
RCO410--RELAY CAPACITOR OVERLOAD
110 to 125VAC Solid-state Hardstart Relay, includes relay, overload, and start capacitor. Use refrigeration systems with or without run capacitors. Rated for 1/4 HP to 1/3 HP compressors. Maximum RLA 6.8 Amps.
Let's see if the third time is the charm.
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Hi Louie, go ahead and try, but we have seen lots of THE REAL Supco relays fail as well, we only use the 3 in 1 relays as a last resort if we can't easily find the correct part or as a temporary fix.
I differently would not use one on one of my refs if I had a lot of food in it.
PS the amp draw listed on the nameplate of a refrigerator is of little or no value, it does not tell you what the running watts-amps should be, the service Manuel you got lists the running watts for different running conditions.
John L.
Hi Louie, go ahead and try, but we have seen lots of THE REAL Supco relays fail as well, we only use the 3 in 1 relays as a last resort if we can't easily find the correct part or as a temporary fix.
I differently would not use one on one of my refs if I had a lot of food in it.
PS the amp draw listed on the nameplate of a refrigerator is of little or no value, it does not tell you what the running watts-amps should be, the service Manuel you got lists the running watts for different running conditions.
John L.
Thanks John.
You had mentioned a mechanical relay, conventional overload and a <strong>start capacitor.</strong>
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You had mentioned a mechanical relay, conventional overload and a <strong>start capacitor.</strong>
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As far as I can tell, this would be the schematic for my refrigerator:
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Original Guardette:
Correct replacement? WR8X30
Original Relay:
The refrigerator is rated at 1/3 HP. I found this starter relay that may work:
See link:
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https://store.antiqueappliances.com/StartRun-Relay_p_16.html
Correct Relay And Overload
Hi Louie, it looks like you are finding the correct parts and wiring diagrams. The last little square box thing you found is the same as the 3 in 1 without the start capacitor [ I would skip that for now ]
If I were there trying to fix this situation I might add a start capacitor and may try a run capacitor as well to bring down running watts and compressor heat as well.
You just need to move closer to Jeff and I.
John L.
Hi Louie, it looks like you are finding the correct parts and wiring diagrams. The last little square box thing you found is the same as the 3 in 1 without the start capacitor [ I would skip that for now ]
If I were there trying to fix this situation I might add a start capacitor and may try a run capacitor as well to bring down running watts and compressor heat as well.
You just need to move closer to Jeff and I.
John L.
Correct Relay And Overload
Hi Louie, it looks like you are finding the correct parts and wiring diagrams. The last little square box thing you found is the same as the 3 in 1 without the start capacitor [ I would skip that for now ]
If I were there trying to fix this situation I might add a start capacitor and may try a run capacitor as well to bring down running watts and compressor heat as well.
You just need to move closer to Jeff and I.
John L.
Hi Louie, it looks like you are finding the correct parts and wiring diagrams. The last little square box thing you found is the same as the 3 in 1 without the start capacitor [ I would skip that for now ]
If I were there trying to fix this situation I might add a start capacitor and may try a run capacitor as well to bring down running watts and compressor heat as well.
You just need to move closer to Jeff and I.
John L.
Hi John! I'm a little confused. I thought the start relay I pictured was the same as a start capacitor.
So I would need a start capacitor and a run capacitor.
