A "Logical" Deal!

[matchboxpaul]

Hi James.

You do right to start being a bit selective as, before you know it you will find yourself running out of room and you have got to keep space for those special machines that turn up.

Your A8572 looks great and in very good condition too. Thank goodness the lady decided to pass it onto a new owner, rather than taking the easy route out and having it taken away for scrap.

Your machines colour scheme if officially Harmony Beige bodyshell and Ramsey Mink fascia and is defined as 'A-Line' in the servicing and product data manuals - just means that it was part of the core range of Hoover models.

a great find and something a little bit differnt to get your head round.

Congratulations on your A8572.
Paul
p.s thanks for posting photos of your machine, as these are the first photos I have ever seen of one!

 

[supermaticjames]

Evening Gary, Evening Paul!

As you have guessed I'll be really enjoying this one during the holidays. Comparing the programmes and timing it against the Hotpoint's. I don't know whether I should stack my Hoover dryer on top of it as that worktop looks too nice to hide. If I did that then I will have room for four machines unless something better comes to replace one of my existing machines. I will be hunting shortly after the new year begins just in time for my birthday. The colour is certainly something fresh to look at instead of the typical Hotpoint "Almond" or "White" schemes running throughout my shed. Taken more of a fancy to "Harmony Beige & Ramsey Mink" than "Natural Linen" in all fairness. I'm on my holidays now so I'll be starting bright and early tomorrow morning to apply those two small fixes, clean and polish it inside and out, and do a boil wash then a load or two. Also how do I take the control panel off? Did Hoover do a 1300 rpm version of this machine? I was hoping this one did 1300 but when I looked it was 1100. 1300 machines had different motors to 1100 models or was it different modules or timers? I took the small removable resistor out of my WD61 and it now spins at 1200! Does anyone have a manual or service manual for my Hoover?

James.

James.

 

[matchboxpaul]

Re fascia removal

I wouldnt attempt it if you dont have to!

The following is my experience from taking apart an A3260 square button style electron, from the series prior to the A3350 machine on which your A8572 is derived. The basic taking apart routine will be similar though.

As far as I am concerned, its a major faff when compared to removing hotpoint fascias - though Hoover fascias are a hell of a lot less brittle and crackable (but they do crack nonetheless, generally around screw holes, powder push button and door release buttons).

First stage is to remove the lid and remove the lid retaining brackets, that the lid hooks over at the front. These are screwed through the top of the fascia and into the top of the bodyshell - the fascia can crack around these screws as the bodyshell flexes and twists over the years!

Once these brackets are removed, you remove the powder drawer - dont just yank it out, but look underneath and you will see a bent piece of metal that you have to push. Pushing this retaining strip allows you to remove the powder drawer.
This metal retaining strip is seldom there though, as they generally have been sheared/snapped off through aggressive and incorrect drawer removal.
The breaking of this metal strip can also result in cracking of the fascia around its mounting screw.

Removal of the drawer reveals three screws - the middle one is the metal strip mounting screw. These three screws require removing.

Now to the first quite fiddly bit - the front of the dial is a cap. Gently insert something such as a small flathead screw driver (be careful as you will chew the plastic if your screwdriver is too big - using your fingernails is safer for the plastic!), and gently pull away from the dial. Note that the dial cap sits up against the moulded grip of the dial - insert your flat object down in front of the moulded grip.
Once the cap is removed you will see a short tunnel down the centre of the dial and a circlip. This circlip holds the dial mechanism together. Removal of the circlip (fiddly) will free the programme barrel and spring, which you push against to engage the teeth and select a programme. These can now be removed.

Depending on how your machine is put together, the next part is THE most fiddly bit - the unscrewing of the actual programmer timer from both the fascia AND the metal bodyshell of the machine!

Once you have done that, then there are plastic clips to be disengaged and then you can remove the fasia.
Oh - bear in mind that there are neons to be unclipped, buttons to be disconnected and both the powder push and door release mechanisms to be disengaged, PLUS you will have to contend with the dryer timer too!

Seriously James - if you dont need to take the fascia off, then just DON'T BOTHER - its a b1tch!

Paul

 

[matchboxpaul]

p.s the Logic 1300 washer dryers were the thumbwheel pure logic machines, rather than warmed over Electron 1100's.

To the best of my knowledge, though without double checking, there were no dial controlled 1300 washer dryer's.

Paul

 

[supermaticjames]

Looks like a no-no for me then!

Thanks for the heads up Paul! I'll just stick to top access for this one then. It's becoming apparent that Hoover build quality slightly outweighs Hotpoint build quality although servicing is compromised.

Roll on tomorrow!

James.

 

[supermaticjames]

Just an update!

All the little problems are sorted and I'll be doing a boil wash tomorrow morning!

James.

 

[supermaticjames]

Tests are all done and everything is super! Will do a load tomorrow and videos too!

James.

 

[hoover1100]

Great find James!

Love the colour scheme! It's pretty much identical to my Grandad's ecologic, which we have owned since new and is my current daily driver. Very unusual programming on these energy control electrons rehashed as logics and ecologics, heating at both low level and high level on the 40c programmes, only spinning once between the (extremely short) rinses and going into woollens wash action towards the end of the non-fast cottons programme! Once I get my logic 1300 up north I shall give the ecologic a break and put that in it's place, can't beat a good thumb wheel!

Here's ours, just lubricated the motor last night, need to touch up the paintwork at sometime as well! Only a brush change and a new pump since new, not bad considering it rolled out of the factory 20 years ago this month!

Matt

 

[supermaticjames]

@matt

Hi Matt, yes my machine is the exact same as yours only mine is two years older. The programming is certainly something alright, the cotton cycle is irritating, it would have been much better if the machine had the "logic" (excuse the pun!) to skip the woolens section of the timer or at least skip the fill to the high water level and heating stage. I did a load in the machine today but my phone was dead so I couldn't do any videos but I will take some tomorrow! I really enjoy using this machine, definitely a breath of fresh air compared to the Hotpoint's I am all too familiar with. The rinses are far superior (they would need to be with that amount of water oh my!) and the suspension is rock steady. I have yet to comment on the drying ability but it warms up great without high heat selected (pointless option and I think most users forget to select it anyway as most w/d's have heat selection built into the main programmer). If I get a chance I will try the dryer out tomorrow. Loving it!

James.

 

[optima]

So basically is does the short tumbles on all of the rinses like with the Electrons.

 

[hoover1100]

@optima

That's correct, these are simply energy control series electrons with logic or ecologic branding.

I know what you mean james, the thumb wheel logics are a lot more "logical" in that they only fill to high level at the end if each programme (apart from delicates/wool and the like ofcourse) do three even deeper, longer rinses with a spin after each, maintain the long (longer than on these machines) cottons tumbles thought the cool downs and rinses and also spin for 4 mins at 800 before going into top speed, rather than 2 like these.

I think with these machines it was a case of designing programmes to fit on the timer, rather than designing a timer to fit the desired programmes, hence they are somewhat unusual.

As much as it may be strange, I have never had anything come out of our machine unclean providing the correct programme has been chosen, so it does work!

I totally agree with you on the hotpoint vs hoover front. The hoovers I have always found to rinse more thoroughly and while they are not as easy to service are certainly better made! I also find you can fill a hoover right to capacity, whereas a hotpoint has to be more loosely loaded to prevent too much suds locking and poor rinsing.

Glad you like the machine anyway, it's in lovely condition!

Matt

 

[hotpointfan]

Logic

Smashing condition machine James Glad you have it in your group!

Matt, looking at your photo I noticed a box of Almat Bio alongside, what is it like? Thanks

 

[hoover1100]

Almat

Wow you've it good eyesight, yes that is a box of Almat.

It probably cleans as well as ariel or Persil, although perhaps a little bit more difficult to rinse out, so no problems there.

The main issue wit it is that it does not flush away in the dispenser, even in a hot and cold full machine, which is a bit if a pain.

The other issue I had was that it leaves white powdery residue on dark clothing, it does brush off once it's dry, but it isn't very nice nonetheless.

So yeah it's perfectly reasonable of you're on a tight budget, and certainly better than the likes of surf and daz at cleaning, but personally ill be sticking with ariel or Persil, hence my box of ariel sits on top of it!

Matt

 

[supermaticjames]

Videos are here!!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheJamesRankin

 

[washboy2005]

I took the small removable resistor out of my WD61 and it n

Congratulations on the Logic! I hope It brings you lots of enjoyment over time! Must admit as much as I prefer Hotpoint, I've still got a soft spot for Hoover!

In reference to your saying that you removed a resistor on your WD61. I have a Hotpoint WM12 which is obviously 800.rpm. Do you know if mine would have this resistor?

Dan

 

[hotpointfan]

Matt

Just wondering as we tried a shop at Aldi and saved lots on own brand products against branded ones...

Will try It, i guess its £2.99 for 30 washes as thats the price of the non-bio on the advert.My Bosch washing machine fills for the first 10 seconds from the main wash chamber then the rest of the time from the prewash chamber so I may have to use my Unspikey (Persil Micro Spikey Ball but the spikes fell out!).

However, I am stocked full of Persil for a while...

Thanks for the input!

 

[supermaticjames]

@dan

I think the resistors were only fitted to the 900 rpm and 1100 rpm models from the 1997 range.

 

[washboy2005]

Thanks! Good to know before I started poking at the innards! Hehe!

Has anyone any idea of a reasonable price for someone to replace the bearings on a WM12? Mine are shot but not entirely confident I could do them myself?

Cheers
Dan

 

[fido]

Hotpoint Bearings

I used to charge £60 but I was probably cheaper than most. The procedure is covered in the Haynes washing machine service manual. The difficulty is removing the outer race of the front bearing if it breaks up when you try to remove it. I have often had to drill shallow holes in the alloy bearing housing, 180 degrees apart, so I can get a small drift onto the edge of the bearing race.

 

[hotpointfan]

Dan

No need to charge, my friend on here Chris (aquarius8000) did them in his WM12 with a £20 kit and a few days! Quite an easy repair, some repairmen just write off machines that are almost shot!

Good luck with the repair!