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FAILING WASHERS
All washers have the potential for major failure, but this is being blown way out of proportion. No one has been seriously hurt by this type of failure and no one is likely to be. All owners of all washers should be advised to stop using any washer that gets extremely noisy in the spin cycle and have it inspected or replace it. I suspect that in most cases there was some warning as the welds started to fail but in any case it is a washing machine, not a car that could kill you.
All washers have the potential for major failure, but this is being blown way out of proportion. No one has been seriously hurt by this type of failure and no one is likely to be. All owners of all washers should be advised to stop using any washer that gets extremely noisy in the spin cycle and have it inspected or replace it. I suspect that in most cases there was some warning as the welds started to fail but in any case it is a washing machine, not a car that could kill you.
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"I HAVE wondered what happened if the drum let go while it was running. Now I know. Ugh!
And here I like to watch them spin...no more! "
The machines *DO* fail while the drum is revolving. The "hoop stress" tending to break the weld is caused because the drum is revolving. The stress is very little on the seam when the machine is off. It is the highest when in the highest spin rpm. It is low in the wash cycle.
About the only way the seam/weld fail is during maximum stress, ie the spin cycle
"I HAVE wondered what happened if the drum let go while it was running. Now I know. Ugh!
And here I like to watch them spin...no more! "
The machines *DO* fail while the drum is revolving. The "hoop stress" tending to break the weld is caused because the drum is revolving. The stress is very little on the seam when the machine is off. It is the highest when in the highest spin rpm. It is low in the wash cycle.
About the only way the seam/weld fail is during maximum stress, ie the spin cycle
aeg03
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donphrohal
It appears that Nrones takes negative comments about Candy/Hoover personally and does not like it when others express this on the forum.
No matter what we say, he will always defend Candy and if you read my post properly you will see that is what I meant.
If it was a Miele or something else exploding in the spin then I would expect to see the same type of discussions online.
It appears that Nrones takes negative comments about Candy/Hoover personally and does not like it when others express this on the forum.
No matter what we say, he will always defend Candy and if you read my post properly you will see that is what I meant.
If it was a Miele or something else exploding in the spin then I would expect to see the same type of discussions online.
pierreandreply4
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No coments on this one
for me i have no coments on this one as here in canada these brands are non existant but i do know that electrolux do make washer dryers for canada but mots of them have the fridgedair banner it rare to see a washer dryer set under the electrolux banner.
for me i have no coments on this one as here in canada these brands are non existant but i do know that electrolux do make washer dryers for canada but mots of them have the fridgedair banner it rare to see a washer dryer set under the electrolux banner.
"No matter what we say, he will always defend Candy"
Is there anything wrong in defending what you believe in?
Is there anything wrong in defending what you believe in?
Aeg03
1. If you seen me telling that TOL new miele on spin is very noisy, (and probobly broken), and it was just abit unbalanced, you probobly wouldn"t like it, right? So you deffinatley wouldn"t put a reply on that one?
2. So, you are being very carefull about what I"m saying, and as I have around 152 posts on this forum, you deffinatley changed your mind about Candy --- NO. No matter what I or anyone else say good about Candy, you will alway"s sh*t on it, even when there aren"t problems (btw Spin thread was S H A M E).
I was the one of you at first, I was the one sh*tting on Candy and Indesit (I easily went and belived in such threads like this). Then I got a GO510(by an accident), and I found out it was ALL LIE. Then I bought myself Aqualtis, and I wrote very positive comments about them (check YouTube), but then they failed on me, and I started writing bad comments (that you are deffinatley familiar with), so sorry until Candy fails to me, no bad comments for me, BECAUSE THINGS LIKE THESE THREADS ARE P R O O V E N OPPOSITE in my life in multiple cases (family and friends appliances).
**If it was a Miele or something else exploding in the spin then I would expect to see the same type of discussions online** - Where"s the thread about Indesit?? We aren"t even close to Miele. Like somwhere on YouTube 2year old Miele shock absorbers broke, and it smashed things inside of it - ok, Miele is still the best, but there was one fail -- they said customer wasn"t LOADING machine properly...
And now final reply to what you wrote: nah I don"t think so
1. If you seen me telling that TOL new miele on spin is very noisy, (and probobly broken), and it was just abit unbalanced, you probobly wouldn"t like it, right? So you deffinatley wouldn"t put a reply on that one?
2. So, you are being very carefull about what I"m saying, and as I have around 152 posts on this forum, you deffinatley changed your mind about Candy --- NO. No matter what I or anyone else say good about Candy, you will alway"s sh*t on it, even when there aren"t problems (btw Spin thread was S H A M E).
I was the one of you at first, I was the one sh*tting on Candy and Indesit (I easily went and belived in such threads like this). Then I got a GO510(by an accident), and I found out it was ALL LIE. Then I bought myself Aqualtis, and I wrote very positive comments about them (check YouTube), but then they failed on me, and I started writing bad comments (that you are deffinatley familiar with), so sorry until Candy fails to me, no bad comments for me, BECAUSE THINGS LIKE THESE THREADS ARE P R O O V E N OPPOSITE in my life in multiple cases (family and friends appliances).
**If it was a Miele or something else exploding in the spin then I would expect to see the same type of discussions online** - Where"s the thread about Indesit?? We aren"t even close to Miele. Like somwhere on YouTube 2year old Miele shock absorbers broke, and it smashed things inside of it - ok, Miele is still the best, but there was one fail -- they said customer wasn"t LOADING machine properly...
And now final reply to what you wrote: nah I don"t think so
aegokocarat
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one of my mates has a hoover washer dryer for 2+ yearsthe obly falt that she had with it was when the dryer cable pulled from the main control board durung a spin but it's not that bad a machine atall i like the splashy rinses
solsburian
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@nrones
They may be proven wrong by your experiences and your families, but other people are not as lucky. This is happening far more then what it should. I'm sure you would take a very different standpoint if it happened to you.
If Candy or Indesit were so good then these problems would not be happening, as the machines would be better designed in the first place, or they would at least have the decency to come clean and actually recall these machines.
They may be proven wrong by your experiences and your families, but other people are not as lucky. This is happening far more then what it should. I'm sure you would take a very different standpoint if it happened to you.
If Candy or Indesit were so good then these problems would not be happening, as the machines would be better designed in the first place, or they would at least have the decency to come clean and actually recall these machines.
aeg03
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LOL
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Let's stop with this discussion, no need to fret too much! It may happen that some washer born bad, nobody is perfect! I also believe that a popular brand such as Candy will do something about it. I do not think all the owners were present at the time of failure, no one was involved, the better for them 
aquarius1984
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Bored already
I just wonder why different threads have to be made about the same subject.
Can one not just use the same thread that was originally made to discuss (if they really must) their opinions on these sorts of machines and their problems.
May I also enquire as to why the creator of this thread belongs to what is essentially a WASHING MACHINE PRESERVATION site when all they seem to post about is machines breaking or machines with problems.
Persoanlly feel the record needs to be changed - how many public members view this site and base opinions on machines to buy, I think there would be more joining up to engage in conversation about these machines if it really was a way for us to help them decide.
As it stands I cannot see the point of these threads so why bother to argue/discuss/whatever. Seems like certain people are getting a thrill out of "exploding machines" NOT something I want to be associated with.
I also find it a shame that so many other members fuel the fire with their opinions, yet cannot find it within themselves to contribute to more worthy threads and only throw the odd token comments about machines on Facebook!
I think we all need to think about the reasons we are here on this site as members and decide what we want from it.
I just wonder why different threads have to be made about the same subject.
Can one not just use the same thread that was originally made to discuss (if they really must) their opinions on these sorts of machines and their problems.
May I also enquire as to why the creator of this thread belongs to what is essentially a WASHING MACHINE PRESERVATION site when all they seem to post about is machines breaking or machines with problems.
Persoanlly feel the record needs to be changed - how many public members view this site and base opinions on machines to buy, I think there would be more joining up to engage in conversation about these machines if it really was a way for us to help them decide.
As it stands I cannot see the point of these threads so why bother to argue/discuss/whatever. Seems like certain people are getting a thrill out of "exploding machines" NOT something I want to be associated with.
I also find it a shame that so many other members fuel the fire with their opinions, yet cannot find it within themselves to contribute to more worthy threads and only throw the odd token comments about machines on Facebook!
I think we all need to think about the reasons we are here on this site as members and decide what we want from it.
aquarius1984
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Apologies to the Author of this thread,
I QUOTED
May I also enquire as to why the creator of this thread belongs to what is essentially a WASHING MACHINE PRESERVATION site when all they seem to post about is machines breaking or machines with problems.
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I didnt mean the author - I meant one of the contributors to this thread who has created countless other threads of the same mature about other machines along with his own.
apologies again
Apologies to the Author of this thread,
I QUOTED
May I also enquire as to why the creator of this thread belongs to what is essentially a WASHING MACHINE PRESERVATION site when all they seem to post about is machines breaking or machines with problems.
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I didnt mean the author - I meant one of the contributors to this thread who has created countless other threads of the same mature about other machines along with his own.
apologies again
3beltwesty
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The drum on many modern Front Load washers is 201 stainless steel.
They drum is made from sheets of 201 stainless that is rolled into a cylinder and then welded. This seam is what fails on the machines that have "exploded".
This seam sees stress, once this bad/poor/crummy/slacker seam fails the drum expands and hits the plastic tub, ie often in the spin cycle at 1000 to 1600 rpm. Since there is a lot of energy; the drum passes thru the tub and breaches the washer frame; or bends it.
If this concept is hard to fathom, imagine a tin can of beans with a vertical seam that is revolved until the seam breaks.
One may note that a 1940 to 1992 Front load westinghouse washrer does not have this issue. One has design margin, good welds and a lower rpm.
In the quest to have higher extract rpms and lower build cost, it is easy to see how a crummy weld causes field failures.
NONE OF THIS IS NEW; that is why back 150 years ago one got boiler codes, to protect the public.
Washers that fly apart is really a rather new thing. Predicting how long a crummy weld will hold has too many variables. That is why us registered Mechancal Engineers have stuff like boilers, pressure tanks, fire extingishers hydro tested every so many years.
****Your "exploding washers" is a classic old consumer issue where a maker has poor quality control and thus has field failures to downplay. Things like this happening are as old as man. Designs are pushed, newbies design things with no sense of old fart experience of field disasters.
There is a decent amount of potential energy in a spinning laundry drum with 7Kg of clothes at 1000 to 1600 rpm. That alone should have the newbie design engineer concerned about the weld.
None of this is really rocket science, an engineer 2000 years ago knew that stuff broke with high loading levels. In that era the newbie engineer feared beheading in a bridge failed due to his slacker assuming. Today with a big company, there really is damage control. They weigh a massive recall versus the damage of the few massive failures.
This issue might as well be a tiny percentage of heart valves that fail, or jets that explode. One has moral issues, issues of cost, issues of there are often no magic way to find if the fields items are in danger.
I am not sure why so many threads are started at once on this same subject at the same time.
On a carbide tipped saw blade, the tips can fly off if poorly welded; or if abused too.
They drum is made from sheets of 201 stainless that is rolled into a cylinder and then welded. This seam is what fails on the machines that have "exploded".
This seam sees stress, once this bad/poor/crummy/slacker seam fails the drum expands and hits the plastic tub, ie often in the spin cycle at 1000 to 1600 rpm. Since there is a lot of energy; the drum passes thru the tub and breaches the washer frame; or bends it.
If this concept is hard to fathom, imagine a tin can of beans with a vertical seam that is revolved until the seam breaks.
One may note that a 1940 to 1992 Front load westinghouse washrer does not have this issue. One has design margin, good welds and a lower rpm.
In the quest to have higher extract rpms and lower build cost, it is easy to see how a crummy weld causes field failures.
NONE OF THIS IS NEW; that is why back 150 years ago one got boiler codes, to protect the public.
Washers that fly apart is really a rather new thing. Predicting how long a crummy weld will hold has too many variables. That is why us registered Mechancal Engineers have stuff like boilers, pressure tanks, fire extingishers hydro tested every so many years.
****Your "exploding washers" is a classic old consumer issue where a maker has poor quality control and thus has field failures to downplay. Things like this happening are as old as man. Designs are pushed, newbies design things with no sense of old fart experience of field disasters.
There is a decent amount of potential energy in a spinning laundry drum with 7Kg of clothes at 1000 to 1600 rpm. That alone should have the newbie design engineer concerned about the weld.
None of this is really rocket science, an engineer 2000 years ago knew that stuff broke with high loading levels. In that era the newbie engineer feared beheading in a bridge failed due to his slacker assuming. Today with a big company, there really is damage control. They weigh a massive recall versus the damage of the few massive failures.
This issue might as well be a tiny percentage of heart valves that fail, or jets that explode. One has moral issues, issues of cost, issues of there are often no magic way to find if the fields items are in danger.
I am not sure why so many threads are started at once on this same subject at the same time.
On a carbide tipped saw blade, the tips can fly off if poorly welded; or if abused too.
solsburian
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aquarius1984
If you are talking about me, I don't remember starting countless threads.
If you are talking about me, I don't remember starting countless threads.
aquarius1984
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I didnt mention any names and I wont,
One thing that is for sure.
Contributors to this thread need to assess the reasons they joined this site and if those reasons they personally joined for fit in with the ethics and dynamics of what this site is ACTUALLY FOR.
One thing that is for sure.
Contributors to this thread need to assess the reasons they joined this site and if those reasons they personally joined for fit in with the ethics and dynamics of what this site is ACTUALLY FOR.
solsburian
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I don't have time for people who relish fun and games like that.
If you don't like the comments, don't read them. It's as simple as that.
If you don't like the comments, don't read them. It's as simple as that.
3beltwesty
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Fatigue failures often give little warnings, or due but befo
Combo; RE
"All washers have the potential for major failure, but this is being blown way out of proportion. No one has been seriously hurt by this type of failure and no one is likely to be. All owners of all washers should be advised to stop using any washer that gets extremely noisy in the spin cycle and have it inspected or replace it. I suspect that in most cases there was some warning as the welds started to fail but in any case it is a washing machine, not a car that could kill you."
My biased option is that a Candy washer that "explodes" like this will have zero warning to the "Average JOE / Jane"
With a cyclic failure like a fatigue failure, there may or may not any warning, whether a washer, automobile's clutch, or a thrown rod on an old lawn mower, or Boeing 737 roof.
With my own stuff, after the failure I often can say it acted a bit weird or sounded a tad different. BUT that was not enough to have me halt the device.
I am not sure if they chaps at Candy have a way to spot in the field the poorer welds. Maybe made a change and it is easy to spot, or maybe it is subtle and thus really impossible to spot?
Combo; RE
"All washers have the potential for major failure, but this is being blown way out of proportion. No one has been seriously hurt by this type of failure and no one is likely to be. All owners of all washers should be advised to stop using any washer that gets extremely noisy in the spin cycle and have it inspected or replace it. I suspect that in most cases there was some warning as the welds started to fail but in any case it is a washing machine, not a car that could kill you."
My biased option is that a Candy washer that "explodes" like this will have zero warning to the "Average JOE / Jane"
With a cyclic failure like a fatigue failure, there may or may not any warning, whether a washer, automobile's clutch, or a thrown rod on an old lawn mower, or Boeing 737 roof.
With my own stuff, after the failure I often can say it acted a bit weird or sounded a tad different. BUT that was not enough to have me halt the device.
I am not sure if they chaps at Candy have a way to spot in the field the poorer welds. Maybe made a change and it is easy to spot, or maybe it is subtle and thus really impossible to spot?
aquarius1984
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I ask again,
Why only discuss the negatives then? Why only contribute to threads about negativity? Only reason I can think of is because thats all these members want to talk about which could just as easily be done ELSEWHERE where JOE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT AND CAN USE THE INFO.
Does it achieve anything amongst a group of collectors who can make their own decisions based upon their knowledge.
Do those who need to be updated daily on broken machines not already read review sites to find out the latest gossip????
As I said before, other sites cater for the general public as response and participation in conversation from those is almost non existant.
Please feel free to join in the threads about preservations and restorations, we all would love your input, after all its what we are here for! Not all doom and gloom about the latest machines off the production line.
Why only discuss the negatives then? Why only contribute to threads about negativity? Only reason I can think of is because thats all these members want to talk about which could just as easily be done ELSEWHERE where JOE PUBLIC CAN SEE IT AND CAN USE THE INFO.
Does it achieve anything amongst a group of collectors who can make their own decisions based upon their knowledge.
Do those who need to be updated daily on broken machines not already read review sites to find out the latest gossip????
As I said before, other sites cater for the general public as response and participation in conversation from those is almost non existant.
Please feel free to join in the threads about preservations and restorations, we all would love your input, after all its what we are here for! Not all doom and gloom about the latest machines off the production line.
Noone was involved
As a matter of fact in Germany a woman was in the bathroom with her back towards the washing machine. She had injuries. Fortunately she wasn't facing the machine. Otherwise her injuries would have been much worse. Here's a link to her story in German including a picture of the bathroom just after the event.
www.test.de
As a matter of fact in Germany a woman was in the bathroom with her back towards the washing machine. She had injuries. Fortunately she wasn't facing the machine. Otherwise her injuries would have been much worse. Here's a link to her story in German including a picture of the bathroom just after the event.
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