aquarius1984
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Or have they reformulated Ariel again so that you need to buy this too?
Saw this today, not bought any yet though.
Saw this today, not bought any yet though.
Ariel Stain Remover - yet another un needed product?
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Ahhhh,
That is our Tide Stain Release that we have here on this side of the pond. We have the liquid, tabs, and powder. I have used both the powder and tabs and I must say, they really do work. But I would think with your longer, hotter wash programmes you wouldn't really need these. But it is P&G...Profit & Gain. LOL
Chris
That is our Tide Stain Release that we have here on this side of the pond. We have the liquid, tabs, and powder. I have used both the powder and tabs and I must say, they really do work. But I would think with your longer, hotter wash programmes you wouldn't really need these. But it is P&G...Profit & Gain. LOL
Chris
electron1100
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Stains!
Hello Rob
I always thought Ariels claim to fame was that it got out stains???????
That said i remember the ariel liguid ball having a roller built into it so you could put neat ariel on "difficult" stains.........
I think like you that it is all just marketing........there are no end of stain treaters available and they seem to contain the same ingredients (in differing amounts).........bring back the original 1980s Ariel and Persil New System, they both worked beautifully, apart from on coloureds as they both contained bleaching agents and these would fade colours
Ah well
Hello Rob
I always thought Ariels claim to fame was that it got out stains???????
That said i remember the ariel liguid ball having a roller built into it so you could put neat ariel on "difficult" stains.........
I think like you that it is all just marketing........there are no end of stain treaters available and they seem to contain the same ingredients (in differing amounts).........bring back the original 1980s Ariel and Persil New System, they both worked beautifully, apart from on coloureds as they both contained bleaching agents and these would fade colours
Ah well
aquacycle
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That said i remember the ariel liguid ball having a roller b
Ah-ha...that was would an Arielette
Ah-ha...that was would an Arielette
spoodles
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I'd guess they just want a slice of the Vanish market.
Odd really, as if you use Ariel you don't actually need any of these ridiculous stain remover products. If Ariel won't get a stain out, I doubt adding some of this stuff will make much difference.
Odd really, as if you use Ariel you don't actually need any of these ridiculous stain remover products. If Ariel won't get a stain out, I doubt adding some of this stuff will make much difference.
aquacycle
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oh Ariel, what would we do without you? Thanks to my choice of laundry equipment, detergent and temperature, I famously have the whitest towels in Bradford 
hoover1100
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Ahhhh
another totally unessecary product which everyone will fall for and rush out and buy.
I guess it dosen't matter as long as, like us, you know better, I think we should spread the word to stop people wasting their money on these things.
Matt
another totally unessecary product which everyone will fall for and rush out and buy.
I guess it dosen't matter as long as, like us, you know better, I think we should spread the word to stop people wasting their money on these things.
Matt
hoovermatic
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So this is not a new detergent then just another additive for a detergent that lifts untreated stains without soaking/pretreating at minus 50 degrees yada yada? I am a lifelong Ariel fan but am finding it tough keeping up with all this stuff!
peterh770
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I have the Tide duo-packs I got with a free coupon. When used with Tide Free, they work great. When used with ALL 3x, not impressed -- left tomato sauce stains on a cotton white shirt. Rewashed in Tide Free and no duo-pack, it came clean. I'm thinking all they are is just specially packaged (and $$priced$$) Tide detergent and nothing special. So it is just like using a little bit more regular Tide...
dj-gabriele
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Same here
P&G came up with those some 6 months ago and the adverts never stopped since! They come at a price premium and you have to add them to regular detergent... WHY? The thing works just fine without them... unless the new "actilift" formula is weaker to make the homemaker buy the stain removers... thinking...
P&G came up with those some 6 months ago and the adverts never stopped since! They come at a price premium and you have to add them to regular detergent... WHY? The thing works just fine without them... unless the new "actilift" formula is weaker to make the homemaker buy the stain removers... thinking...
launderess
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La Rationale Est..
As the detergent markets on both sides of the pond move towards mainly liquid and or gel products, one thing is normally missing; bleach.
Most if not all European detergent powders for whites and colourfast laundry contain oxygen bleach. However few liquid or gel products, if any do, hence these stain release products which are mainly oxygen bleach (the powders are activated oxygen bleach, same as found in detergents).
On this side of the pond, IIRC, none of the Tide liquid detergents contain any sort of oxygen bleaching agent, however their number one detergent powder, Tide with Bleach, and a few others, contains activated oxygen bleaching systems.
Enzymes are another component of these "stain release" products and they compensate for the fact again, many liquid/gel detergents do not contain enzymes (non-bio).
Haven't tried the Ariel Excel Gel that arrived eariler this week, but per the bottle the product does not contain bleach, but does have enzymes.
As the detergent markets on both sides of the pond move towards mainly liquid and or gel products, one thing is normally missing; bleach.
Most if not all European detergent powders for whites and colourfast laundry contain oxygen bleach. However few liquid or gel products, if any do, hence these stain release products which are mainly oxygen bleach (the powders are activated oxygen bleach, same as found in detergents).
On this side of the pond, IIRC, none of the Tide liquid detergents contain any sort of oxygen bleaching agent, however their number one detergent powder, Tide with Bleach, and a few others, contains activated oxygen bleaching systems.
Enzymes are another component of these "stain release" products and they compensate for the fact again, many liquid/gel detergents do not contain enzymes (non-bio).
Haven't tried the Ariel Excel Gel that arrived eariler this week, but per the bottle the product does not contain bleach, but does have enzymes.
dirtybuck
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From what I see in the pics the European and UK market have a spray on liquid (similar to Shout and Spray and Wash here) with their other P&G stain release products, and we don't.
aquarius1984
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OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I JUST GOT SOME OF THIS STUFF AND OMFG IT SMELLS JUST LIKE 80'S ARIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its gorgeous!!!!!!
I JUST GOT SOME OF THIS STUFF AND OMFG IT SMELLS JUST LIKE 80'S ARIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its gorgeous!!!!!!
aquarius1984
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back
aquarius1984
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opened
the measuring scoop then becomes the lid after the plug is removed
the measuring scoop then becomes the lid after the plug is removed
aquarius1984
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spout
aquarius1984
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lid back on
excuse my excitedness. LOL
excuse my excitedness. LOL
launderess
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True To Form
Product is almost a "detergent" in it's own right. Just as with vintage Biz pre-soak later labeled "non-chlorine bleach", contained oxygen bleach, bleach activators, enzymes, water softeners, surfactants and so froth.
This all means one can decrease dosage of detergent a bit, as many of the same chemicals are duplicated.
Personally, unless using a "non-bio" detergent would just as soon purchase sodium percarbonate (Ecover sells it in small boxes), and be done with it. For liquid detergent washing or when one does not wish to use any powders, there are liquid oxygen bleaches.
Great scans by the way! Thank you for sharing!
Product is almost a "detergent" in it's own right. Just as with vintage Biz pre-soak later labeled "non-chlorine bleach", contained oxygen bleach, bleach activators, enzymes, water softeners, surfactants and so froth.
This all means one can decrease dosage of detergent a bit, as many of the same chemicals are duplicated.
Personally, unless using a "non-bio" detergent would just as soon purchase sodium percarbonate (Ecover sells it in small boxes), and be done with it. For liquid detergent washing or when one does not wish to use any powders, there are liquid oxygen bleaches.
Great scans by the way! Thank you for sharing!
launderess
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P.S.
Noticed no mention of "bleach activators", but that is probably because of the sodium percarbonate, an oxygen bleach that works in cool and even cold water well enough on it's own.
Noticed no mention of "bleach activators", but that is probably because of the sodium percarbonate, an oxygen bleach that works in cool and even cold water well enough on it's own.
hoover1100
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As the detergent markets on both sides of the pond move towa
I have to disagree with this, powders and tablets are being pushed here just as much as anything else and are still the preferred format by most in my experience.
Also the majority of liquid/gel/liquitab products here contain enzymes apart from those labelled as non-bio, and these are more of a niche product, claimed to be better for senstivie skin, even though it has been proven time and again that enzymes don't harm skin.
I guess because there have been recent advances in liquids in the form of gels and these being pushed more in adverts, it must seem that these are becoming more popular, but powder and tablets are still the most common formats and take up the largest amount of space in the store shelves and I think they still make up the greatest market share, although I have no figures to proove this.
I'd say for the main we will always be a powder market.
Ahhh I wonder if the Ariel stain remover is the same as the proffesional stain buster powder, that smells just like old ariel too.
Matt[this post was last edited: 7/1/2010-13:52]
I have to disagree with this, powders and tablets are being pushed here just as much as anything else and are still the preferred format by most in my experience.
Also the majority of liquid/gel/liquitab products here contain enzymes apart from those labelled as non-bio, and these are more of a niche product, claimed to be better for senstivie skin, even though it has been proven time and again that enzymes don't harm skin.
I guess because there have been recent advances in liquids in the form of gels and these being pushed more in adverts, it must seem that these are becoming more popular, but powder and tablets are still the most common formats and take up the largest amount of space in the store shelves and I think they still make up the greatest market share, although I have no figures to proove this.
I'd say for the main we will always be a powder market.
Ahhh I wonder if the Ariel stain remover is the same as the proffesional stain buster powder, that smells just like old ariel too
.Matt[this post was last edited: 7/1/2010-13:52]
paulc
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Rob......you have made me want to dash(excuse the pun) out and buy some now!!
I've been using Ariel Excel (Actilift) Gel for everything I wash but have been adding Vanish Crystal white powder in a white wash. I got the idea from Louis and his thread on his LG T/L as his whites looked lovely, I always thought my whites where white but now they look amazing!
You'll have to let us all know how it performs and what detergent you used with it.
Paul
I've been using Ariel Excel (Actilift) Gel for everything I wash but have been adding Vanish Crystal white powder in a white wash. I got the idea from Louis and his thread on his LG T/L as his whites looked lovely, I always thought my whites where white but now they look amazing!
You'll have to let us all know how it performs and what detergent you used with it.
Paul
aquacycle
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I've been using Ariel Excel (Actilift) Gel
Paul, I would hope that you have both the bio and colour detergent for your different types of laundry
Paul, I would hope that you have both the bio and colour detergent for your different types of laundry
zanussi_lover
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Ariel Excel Gel
I've been using the bio gel on whites and darks and haven't noticed any bleaching or fading lol.
I use Persil Non Bio powder on my towels and sheets =]
isn't always necessary to use a colour detergent when you use a liquid
I've been using the bio gel on whites and darks and haven't noticed any bleaching or fading lol.
I use Persil Non Bio powder on my towels and sheets =]
isn't always necessary to use a colour detergent when you use a liquid
paulc
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Chris
I suspect there is no differance between Excel Gel colour and Bio as they both have OBA's
I suspect there is no differance between Excel Gel colour and Bio as they both have OBA's
aquacycle
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I have to disagree with you both, seeing as Ariel Excel Colour doesn't contain optical brighteners.
And no offence meant, but the thought of not using a biological detergent on my sheets and towels makes me feel incredibly unclean. My house is always clean (not always tidy, mind) and welcoming to everyone. I always tell my friends and family that my door is always open. So I could never expect anybody staying with me to use towels that have not been washed correctly. Infact, I'd feel quite ashamed. I'd sooner use bio on everything than not at all.
And no offence meant, but the thought of not using a biological detergent on my sheets and towels makes me feel incredibly unclean. My house is always clean (not always tidy, mind) and welcoming to everyone. I always tell my friends and family that my door is always open. So I could never expect anybody staying with me to use towels that have not been washed correctly. Infact, I'd feel quite ashamed. I'd sooner use bio on everything than not at all.
aquarius1984
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Liquids dont contain bleach Chris. Bleach is unfortunately unstable in liquid detergents IIRC however our resident Launderess may be able to explain more.
Powders can contain powdered bleaches yet remain stable thus allowing the bleach to do its job.
Currently there are no liquid detergents on the UK market that contain bleaches and they rely on OB's Optical Brighteners which really are just mirror like residues that IIRC capture white and blue light in the colour spectrum and reflect it so the garments washed in it LOOK WHITE but are actually not.
If your washing your whites in a liquid detergent they wont actually be properly clean say compared to the cleanliness a powder gives my removing stains and dirt. They simply make Fabrics look white hence the name Optical Brighteners. think "Optical Illusion"
Rob
Powders can contain powdered bleaches yet remain stable thus allowing the bleach to do its job.
Currently there are no liquid detergents on the UK market that contain bleaches and they rely on OB's Optical Brighteners which really are just mirror like residues that IIRC capture white and blue light in the colour spectrum and reflect it so the garments washed in it LOOK WHITE but are actually not.
If your washing your whites in a liquid detergent they wont actually be properly clean say compared to the cleanliness a powder gives my removing stains and dirt. They simply make Fabrics look white hence the name Optical Brighteners. think "Optical Illusion"
Rob
aquacycle
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^sorry Rob, I didn't mean bleach lol. It's been a long day!
I currently have both Ariel bio and colour powder. 95 washes for £8.99 - ZING!
I currently have both Ariel bio and colour powder
. 95 washes for £8.99 - ZING!
aquarius1984
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Also for the record Chris Non Biological Detergents are more heavily dependant on bleaches and other chemicals to get washing clean as they are minus the enzymes.
They do a comparable job IMHO and certainly dont lack that far behind. They certainly wont leave anything unsanitary.
I went thru a good 8 year phase using Persil Non Biological almost exclusively and swore blind it cleaned better than any Biological powder my Mum ever used. Whites were perfect white and it was always better at cleaning my chef whites owing to its extra bleachy formula.
Which magazine of late seems to be a little bit biased, (noting how they give the awards to P&G products exclusively)however it always seems to have been like that for me since I took up reading their articles earlier in the decade. They found Non Bios cleaned significantly worse yet I found them to be better.
They do a comparable job IMHO and certainly dont lack that far behind. They certainly wont leave anything unsanitary.
I went thru a good 8 year phase using Persil Non Biological almost exclusively and swore blind it cleaned better than any Biological powder my Mum ever used. Whites were perfect white and it was always better at cleaning my chef whites owing to its extra bleachy formula.
Which magazine of late seems to be a little bit biased, (noting how they give the awards to P&G products exclusively)however it always seems to have been like that for me since I took up reading their articles earlier in the decade. They found Non Bios cleaned significantly worse yet I found them to be better.
aquacycle
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My sister has used Persil Non-Bio for the last 12 years. When her washing machine broke down, she brought me up a load of washing and asked if I would mind doing it for her. Of course, I was thrilled at the thought of doing it. But she did notice that her clothes looked and smelled cleaner when washed with the relevant biological or colour detergent than with a non-bio product. I have tried non-bio, but it's never convinced me. Especially growing up in a house with 4 men and only 2 girls, you really notice the difference on your laundry when using a bio detergent and how much cleaner they smell once washed. But hey, if we all had the same preferences, there would be no market for such products, so thank god we do
I found it an interesting difference between the UK and the Netherlands that you in the UK got non-bio detergents where we in the Netherlands hadn't even heard about them. AFAIK there was never a non-bio detergent sold in the Netherlands, and IIRC I never saw a non-bio detergent either in a German supermarket.
