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Oh okay got it.....didn't read well, if it suds too much or leaves white residue try using less of it, by guessing you already tried and if using less it does not work well on dirt it could mean that for the Tide HE the use to put more washing soda trying to save on anti foam agents.
Are you using it in a normal TL?
If you're using it in an HE, well that would explain many things.....
 
roscoe62

I was back writing a response then I deleted it as I'm not sure I did understand well what is your problem with the new concentrated Tide....
Thought it was oversudsing by reading what you write and also guessed you experienced white residues, but not sure...
What is your problem with it?
 
Some People Around Here Are Looking To Get Their Horns Split

When I post something links are provided to back up what has been said. All one gets in response is "I don't think" or "No that isn't right"... Well unless you've got something to back-up or otherwise disprove what one has stated (and provided said link to) then it might be better to reconsider.

It is not possible to have an debate on any matter when the otherside keeps pulling things from air without offering supporting facts.

The Church *thought* the world was flat and we see where that position got them.
 
You got offended because I said you confused??? Well that is true! And let me tell you a thing, you're not perfect as I'm not and nobody is, so if you want to get offended for a STUPID thing like this or because I "corrected" you in something that everyone would confuse well, feel free to be so childish!
Said this since you want something to back up, here you're served:
Is not maybe true that the chemical formula of Sodium Carbonate formula is:Na2CO3? (refer to link 1)
Is not maybe true that formula for sodium hydroxide is: NaOH? (refer to link 2)
So different things? Response is YES!
Is not maybe true that with wood ash you can produce lye and by letting boiling it more getting hydroxide? (refer to link 3) YES!
Are both potassium and sodium hydroxide caustic and corrosive? Refer to link (2-4)
Is washing soda corrosive? (refer to the first link I attached before and also number 1) NO!
Is not maybe true that soap was always been made thanks to lye and so hydroxides and not soda ash carbonate? Refer always to the first link and all the others one, especially the one of carbonate not mentioning saponification anywhere!) YES!

So this just because I do not know what are your concerns laundress.....if you explain better what are your doubts about just let me know.....
I don't take things from the air as it would seems.....
Starting with link Number one:
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Oh lord, I said I wouldn't, but..

Look, Kenmoreguy89, I dont want to dive headfirst into this mess you are doing your best to create, but it looks like I'm gonna have to at least dabble my toes in the water. Launderess was not confusing lye and washing soda. Her statement was correct. Sodium Carbonate does help to convert oils and grease into a soap like substance. No, it is not often used now, but if you dissolve it in boiling water, pour in melted grease, and cook it, you get a sort of soap jelly one can use for cleaning. Boil it longer and add a few other things, you get soap bars.

How do I know this? My great grandmother used to make it, as well as making lye soap. Lye soap was for laundry and household cleaning, Sal soda soap was for bathing and cleaning people. And she did not use wood ash lye in place of Sal Soda, such as you mentioned, she used store bought Sal Soda, which has been available in this country for a few hundred years now, and in europe as well.

The theory you give as to how this, "laundry lye" was extracted, and boiled to turn it into regular lye, is incorrect as well. Perhaps in major manufacturing, or perhaps in your home country, but not here. One did not use weak or once filtered lye for anything. Lye was made by filtering the solution through the ashes over and over, adding fresh ashes as needed, until it was strong enough. No, it was not as pure as store bought, containing traces of Sal soda, but when things are homemade traces of impurities and other such things must be tolerated. If a waker solution was needed, the now strong lye was watered down.

Sal soda was not made at home at all, it was purchased by the pound.

And no one with any respect for their body would have tested the lye on their tongue. Lye was not strong enough to make soap until it was also strong enough to burn and become caustic to human flesh. If one tested the lye on their tongue for strength, it would not itch, it would burn their tonge and leave a wound.

Lye was considered strong enough based on 2 main tests. It should be able to make a fresh chicken egg float, and if one drops a chicken feather into the lye, it should dissolve. That is not something one wishes to drop on their tongue.

All this palaver of making, testing, etc, is why women in this country readily took to store bought lye when it became available. However, they did not forget how to make it themselves, as store bought was not always affordable, or handy when one needed to make soap, depending on ones finances and distance from the nearest town.

There was no need to say Launderess was confused, when she was correct and had references to back it up, as you would have known if you had taken the time to look, or ask others if you thought she might be wrong, rather than attempting to state it outright. As well, there was no need for that childish display of online yelling and temper tantrumming when she said she was offended. This is a civil forum, and I would like to think we can all conduct ourselves in a civil manner.

And if you still dont beleive washing soda/sal soda/sodium carbonate will make soap, here is a recipe similar to my great grandmothers, for english bar soap, made not with lye, but with sal soda, which is washing soda, which is sodium carbonate. Not sodium hydroxide, which is lye.

 
I meant laundry soap bars not jelly soap stuff to turn into soap bars you need to use hydroxides or a stronger , looks like lye is produced the same way here and there, here probably used to produce 2 kinds of lye as I said one lighter and one stronger and I said it! The less stronger they tasted was the one they added in the laundry tub! , of course one would not use it filtered just once never said this also....and never that they tasted lye meant as strong hydroxide solutions!
I know once they tasted lye (lisciva) if you don't believe it I give u the link! Only bother you have to transalte it as it is in italian.....
I just never heard that with sodium carbonate you can make soap....never!
By the way, there is a legend that say the first soap obtained was thanks to the wife of a fisherman of savona Italy that casually boiling the "lisciva" lye with oil obtained the first soap, that also why the word soap "sapone" in italian and the french word "savon" resembles the city of Savona....
This is another story...
In this country nobody used to produce soap with washing soda, also I found many blogs stating it is not possible....wrong? correct? Now thanks of you I know they were wrong!
And I just said that I thought that she was wrong, and with this? World is full of people that thinks someones is wrong and then it is not and shows why, she just had to say: "look babye it is not so", and be clear... not the enbittered way she used "when one responds to me- took from the air" etc.....here are the links from which I took info from.....maybe they're a lot of bullshits but where I learnt what i said....
So if she just had something to say or prove me, in a better and calmer way she would be more than welcome! As you're of course! And thank you for teaching something that I did not knew and could not learn!
Not stating that I take things from the air and acting that way cuz she got offended, actually this is CHILDISH!.....then someone talk about civilty! ahahahah! ....I think I should get away from this website, Too many queens that always want o be right in there......
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jelly

Look at the recipe again. It is jelly if you just boil washing soda, water, and grease. If you boil it longer, and add a few extra ingredients, it does indeed turn into lovely bars of gentle bath soap. I miss them dearly, her recipe had a unique and pretty scent which nothing else can replicate.
 
Always being right.

I have no interest in always being right. If I knew everything, there would be nothing left to learn and life would become rather boring. But some people are more knowledgeable in certain areas than others are.

I do not know as much about the historical laundry processes as Launderess, just what I started with growing up in an area that was historically poor but proud enough of cleanliness to go to whatever lengths necessarry to acheive it, (ask the generations of women from before rubber gloves were readily available here who scrubbed their floors on their hands and knees with sand and watered down lye, destroying their once lovely hands, and then rubbed pine oil into those floors, despite how it must have burnt their hands which were raw from the watered down lye), and I built my studies from there.

Launderess and a few others on here have made nearly a lifetime study of the art of laundry and homemaking, and I am always ready to learn when info is available. I am not saying I can guarantee that they are always 100% right, but they have yet to lead me wrong.

I am not attempting to join nor start a fight here, just attempting to correct a misunderstanding / misconception, before it all blows out of proportion.
 
Recipe

English Bar Soap

6 gallon soft water, 6 pounds good stone lime, 20 pound sal soda, 4 ounce borax, 15 pounds fat (tallow is best), 10 pound pulverized resin, and 4 ounce beeswax.

Put the water in a kettle on the fire, and when nearly boiling add the lime and soda. Whene these are dissolved add the borax, boil gently and stir until all is dissolved, then add the fat, resin, and beeswax. Boil all gently until it shows flaky on the stick, then pour into molds.

This recipe is from the book "The Artisans Guide and Everybody's Assistant", B y Richard Moore. It is available on Google books to read online.
 
"I wouldnt but"

That sentence is simply because I was hoping this would all blow over, and I was not looking forward to diving into already muddied waters to take a swim. However I felt it necessary to point out a few things, therefore I dabbled my toes in the muddy water.

And when you asked this, it was not really necessary to make another poke at Launderess by comparing her and yourself in terms of getting offended. Sometimes it is best to leave things alone.

I have said all I can offer on this subject for the time being, and I do not intend to further muddy the waters. I hope everyone else can agree not to do so either. We a small community, and it is in all our best interests not to fight amongst ourselves.
 
Always being right!

That is much appreciated kevin,but actually looks like you want make me pass as the one that is rude, fighty etc...I'm not this way...so since I never had of fighting problems and such with other members and this when laundress wasn't involved I think would be wise to ignore each other,I would have appreciated her to explain me with calm if she really is that wise...I don't know why she got offended and embittered that much, if you say she passed her whole life on these studies I just cannot know this, I could be wrong thinking she is wrong on something, then is she that if she cares have to explain me better but with calm.......

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