CNET 2018 speed queen review

[combo52]

Good Suggestions Martin, and I know SQ experimented with many of these ideas, but it makes it a lot more complicated and far less reliable to add these functions.

 

GE, WP, LG and SS and others are building their top loading washers to allow separate tub and agitator-impeller movement, but they are all having problems with these designs.

 

John L.

 

[askolover]

YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD,  NOR CAN YOU PICK ONE UP BY THE CLEAN END!

 

[48bencix]

Another idea

One other change that could work is to have a separate motor for the spin. I know these ideas would cost more, but if Alliance does nothing, they may go out of business. I have my 2017, so probably it will last as long as I will. I think they were trying to simplify the design and cost but as John pointed out the other major brands are struggling with this issue also. They could always go back to the old design which is better at cleaning and sturdy enough to last.

 

[brisnat81]

Fisher and Paykel did both in the 1980's on the Gentle Annie computer controlled machine.

There is a single belt from the 12 pole motor and it drives the agitator shaft. The agitator shaft has a metal tab on it, so any time it goes past 340 degree's it drives the outer tub. Occasionally you'll hear the tab knock as the tub indexes, but otherwise its just the weird motor sounds.

Braking is accomplished by the motor. These machines were made up until the early 90's before the Smart Drive machines came out. This would've been the perfect solution for Speed Queen, a Rugged solution with variable speeds but still having the Agitator move separately to the Bowl.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDUKZfGqN4E

 

[spinmon]

The washer in SQ's lame video SHOULD get those few items clean! Reminds me of 55+ years ago playing with my crank-type or battery-operated toy washers. They had a similar agi-tub system. With a few doll clothes pieces SOME action would occur.

How I wished then that someone made a toy washer like the REAL WASHERS with separate tub/agitator action!! And now here we are with the renowned Speed Queen pushing $1000.00 toy washers.

Keeping my '12 AWN542 as long as possible.

 

[tolivac]

I don't think Alliance will go under just because of the lame TL washer-they mainly cater to commercial laundry business.They will more likely go out of the household laundry business altogether.

 

[lorainfurniture]

Consumer reports



http://https//youtu.be/s7T5sjwVV9c

 

[combo52]

SQ FL Washers In 2018

I don't know how many more tests it will take to convince the majority of the washer enthusiasts here on this site that this washer concept does not work, can not work and will NEVER work till it is redesigned.

 

Yes there will be some consumers that will be happy with this washer, but it will be much like the many owners of Maytag dependable care washers that over the years just put up with poor overall performance because it was relibible.

 

During my over 40 years in this business the thousands of our customers that got rid of an old MT DC washer, almost never wanted another one and they always loved the new WP BD and later the DD WP TL washers we sold them because of how much better job they did cleaning etc, I never had a single customer that wanted their old MT back.

 

I do think that you will see quite a few of these new SQs on Craigs list etc in not too many years.

 

John L.

 

[infusor]

If you actually watch the video, they used the heavy duty cycle after, (only 40 minutes long) with warm water and it got "fair" which the best performing (non HE) agitator top load also gets "fair" and all other machines have 70 minute cycles. Look at your facts.

 

[combo52]

The HD Cycle on the SQ TR7 is 50 minutes

 

[stricklybojack]

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A $1000 machine that struggles to rate a "fair"...good luck with that.
Just picked up an 18 month old SQ 412 for $150 and some driving.
It will take 3 times that to pry it from my mits now.

 

[infusor]

It is NOT 50 minutes.

 

[infusor]

Even the $1,000 fisher paykel agitator model earned just a "fair" rating for cleaning. ALL top load washers with agitators only earn a "fair" score. And even half of the HE top loaders as well, i don't get what all the fuss is about. It's on par with everything else on the market. Even the top loaders that get a good rating for cleaning get a poor rating for gentleness.

 

[norgeway]

All you have to do

Is wash a load in the new Speed Queen...a really nasty dirty load, then take a comparably dirty load to one of the washer guys houses and wash in any 50 or 60 year old machine and see the difference...Especially if they have a Frigidaire, Philco, Norge, whirlpool or a GE!

 

[combo52]

Hi Keith, I was going by the CRs tester, as she started the machine on the HD cycle the display came up @ 50 minutes.

 

I think that it is perfectly clear to anyone that knows anything about washing machines that this new machine will not do a good job of washing big dirty loads clean, I predict that this machine will not be sold very many years in this form, I am sure they are now working hard on solutions, new sales are already at 1/2 of last years rate from talking to dealers that sell them.

 

[lorainfurniture]

Heavy duty cycle

Heavy duty , normal soil = 40 minutes
Heavy duty, max soil= 50+ minutes.

 

[twintubdexter]

<span style="font-size: 14pt; color: #008000;">10 extra minutes of genuine agitation would be beneficial...10 extra minutes of swish & swoosh doesn't accomplish much of anything. Besides, having a washer that swishes might cause your neighbors to "talk". </span>

 

[infusor]

The frigidaire immersion care was very similar in wash action, it got an excellent score for cleaning in CR's test, but the normal cycle with max soil level was 110 minutes, and they said it was very rough on clothes, and spin rpm was only 600 if that so it did poor for extraction. I still think the new speed queen is way better than a new cabrio. Those things are just horrible.

 

[iowabear]

Well this machine isn't for people with dirty clothes, but there are lot of those people these days.

 

They work in offices, don't have kids (or kids are gone), don't have yards (or hire it out), don't work out hard enough to break a sweat, throw a shirt out with a stain (or take it to the cleaners.)

 

These people would probably be happy with this machine and never know the difference.

 

 

[infusor]

Why wouldn't people love the new speed queen.... some people love the newer cabrios.... they can't even get clothes wet! Or it ends up filling the whole tub. Which takes 20 min because of the restricted fill valve. Cabrio had to be the worst machine ever made. It's junk.

 

[spinmon]

Speed Queen shouldn't catch a break by anyone saying it's better than "junk". The new swisher should clean at least as well as the previous generation. But no. It spins better.

Considering SQ's history and current pricing,I expect a machine that produces a clean wash. Not one that runs 15+ minutes longer and high speeds the unclean load.

Name change: 'Sorta Clean'.

 

[john76]

I’m not bothered by these stain tests. It appears none of the machines tested remove all the stains, so if it were clothes none of them would be wearable. The times I have had stains, I pretreated the area and the stain came out in the wash. I question the testers and their knowledge on getting the most out of the machines they’re testing. I’m certain there are particular cycles, detergents and water temperatures that would do a better job. The improved results SQ got with the new 2018 model lead me to believe they know something about the machine the outside testers don’t.

 

[john76]

The thing the SQ TL still has going for it is the build quality, the short cycle times, the ability to choose the water level, the physical size of the machine and tub. I also like the new aesthetics and the fact that it washes better, according to the company that knows the most about the machine. It’s also easier on the fabrics compared to the older models. Not much competition as far as I see.

 

[panthera]

John76

I agree with you to the extent that, sometimes, manufacturers build good appliances which just aren't used right. I recollect such a situation with a very expensive countertop convection oven a few years back - the oven had a'keep warm' function (which overroad the regular thermostat to hold the oven at the low heat, regardless of the regular setting).

Unfortunately, that setting was illustrated by a pictogram which looked far more like 'bake' than the pictogram for 'bake' did.

They were failed by at least one European testing organization because they made that mistake, much less tens of thousands of unhappy customers.

 

So, yes, some of this is user error.

 

The way Alliance is approaching the problem, though, not good. They need to have a clear setting 'non-Energy Star, non-HE' which will actually use hot water and plenty of it coupled with proper agitation to clean.

 

[DADoES]

 
The tests seem legitimate for comparison of one machine to another with the methodology they use ... test-soil swatches, detergent & relative dosage (for low-water FL or HE TL vs. deep-fill TL), designated "normal" cycle & options, etc.

 

[infusor]

The fisher & paykel agitator top load WA3927G1 had the same score in every category scored just "fair" for stains and has a 55 minute cycle, compared to speed queens heavy duty at 50 min, which ALSO scored "fair" yet i do not hear anybody bashing that machine. My how people can be so biased and ignorant. In fact lots of people on here have said "it's the only top loader worth buying now" SMH

 

[infusor]

Here's what happends when you buy consumer reports "top rated" maytag.

http://https//youtu.be/wXKTSZ-4K30

 

[combo52]

One thing for sure the 2018 SQ won't do that, maybe next time that stupid MT owner will not rap the sheets around the agitator, LOL.

 

[infusor]

Maybe the owner wrapped the sheets around the agitator so they don't get off balance, since the maytags cheap plastic tub will hit the cabinet and break if he didn't.

 

[tolivac]

Remember reading in the owners manual for the KN DD washer I used to have-they warned NOT to "wrap" sheets around the agitator-or the "twining" that user had could happen.NEVER had anything like that happen.