Cold Water Wash

[supersurgilator]

So, its sad this machine exists, and I'm wondering how many people have bought one. I came across this Whirlpool, that has cold water wash technology. It seriously ONLY does cold water washes on all cycles, except Heavy Duty which is Hot. There is no warm setting at all. I just can't fathom such a thing lol.

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[yogitunes]

how long after purchase, will reviews start about the mold and mildew issues showing up?

at that point, you get what you deserve for buying such a thing.....

before the DWW was added, complaints of barely enough water, yet will fill the tub up full for a HOT water Clean Washer cycle....where exactly are the savings in all of this?

I don't see this going over very well.....

 

[revvinkevin]

A friend of mine (who didn't know any better) bought this same machine. He said if you select the "heavy duty cycle" it fills with hot water, but every other cycle fills with cold. That's OK for him, because he has his water heater turned down fairly low, so his hot water isn't all that hot.

I told him how to disable the lid switch and I went over with some laundry, since he only does one load about every two weeks. While yes it does have what looks like an agitator in it, rollover is extremely slow at best. Also, the rinse unfortunately, only fills the tub about a 1/4 of the way, it then agitates for literally one minute before draining for the spin. So ladies & gentleman, this means NOTHING actually gets rinsed during the "rinse"!!!!

I know there is obviously the huge push towards water and energy savings, but OMG this is absolutely ridiculous!

 

[agiflow2]

This is not even funny. When did the chemistry of dirt and sweat change that cold water wash is all that's needed now ? What is WP doing ? There are folks on this site who work for WP. Do they have any influence at all over there?

Whirlpool looks determined they will get us off of top loaders it seems. Wash plates that barely circulate clothes, wash tubs wobbling all over the place and machines built so light that they vibrate and shake excessively in the spin cycle and they take forever to fill.

Though I have seen the agitator models and they look like they work a little better, but their capacities look small like the early dd washers, yet they say the capacity is 3.4 or 3.5 cu.ft ? They don't look like super capacity tubs though. IDK.

 

[tolivac]

SEND THAT WP COLD WATER WASHER TO -----THE KRUSHER AND ITS FREIND THE SHREDDER!!!!!

 

[johnrk]

Cold Water Clothes

I was once engaged to a girl in the early 80's who washed every damn thing in cold water. She had a very nice Kenmore pair in her home but you'd think the only thing that worked on her machine was cold/cold. That used to drive me nuts, but she was from Chicago and you know how hardheaded those Midwestern women can get. I won't say that's why I didn't marry her, but it didn't help.

 

[warmsecondrinse]

"....where exactly are the savings in all of this?"

"Also, the rinse unfortunately, only fills the tub about a 1/4 of the way, it then agitates for literally one minute before draining for the spin. So ladies & gentleman, this means NOTHING actually gets rinsed during the "rinse"!!!!"

Let's assume for the sake of argument that people stuck with this machine eventually notice that their clothes aren't getting clean and try to solve the problem:
- They'll go from 1 rinse to 2 and then probably start using "rinse & spin" after each cycle if not washing their clothes twice.
- They'll try all sorts of detergents and additives to find a combination that (semi) works.
- The "Clean Washer" cycle will start being used more and more frequently to keep mold/mildew at bay.

I've been told by people much more knowledgeable than I that oils can be chemically induced to dissolve in cold water but that producing such chemicals has a large carbon footprint. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

So we have:
- water being wasted by clothes being run through lengthy/multiple cycles.
- the cost of buying the necessary laundry detergents/additives.
- water being wasted by the "Clean Washer" cycle and the cost of the cleaner.
- the cost of the consumer's time and energy spent on figuring this all out.

I'd be most interested in reading an explanation of how getting clean clothes from this machine has a smaller carbon footprint than a washer that actually clean clothes with heated water and how it saves money for the consumer.

 

[joeypete]

These were designed with landlords in mind. Probably those that supply utilities to their tenants. TONS of people wash in only cold. It does have a clean washer cycle and if used regularly, would keep the tub clean.

 

[panthera]

It is possible to clean clothes in cold temperatures

Naptha and benzine (sorry, too early for English, 'gasoline') and R12 and carbon tetrachloride can all do it, and do it quite well.

Water and enzymes? In 2017?

Nope.

And that's all there is to be said about it. As for the 1/4 fill and one minute rinse, that's useless.

 

Seriously, what is wrong with people?

 

[johnrk]

panthera +

I couldn't agree more. It reminds me of when I was young and camping and trying to get dishes truly clean with cold water. And of course, we all know the hell that people are going through with today's dishwashers if they don't have scalding water going in.

Human sebum acts like hamburger fat when it gets cold. I know that our biggest energy wasting in this world isn't from our laundry, it's from our cars. However, it's easier to bully appliance makers than it is to convince 'Murricans to give up huge, ugly SUV's and pickup trucks to drive to the grocery store.

 

[yogitunes]

the analogy is a bit off there.....

they used basically the same platform for a washer, the challenge was to make it more energy efficient.....less water and energy

the plan should be no different for automobiles, take a similar Minivan or SUV, now make it more efficient on gasoline....all they have done so far in the past twenty years or so, is made it gain a few miles more per gallon, from back then......in todays technology, it should be a minimum of three times than that, if not more...closer to 60+ mpg....

jumping from a truck down to a Prius is not the answer....that would be like jumping from a full size washer down to a table top model....

granted not everyone buys or needs a bigger vehicle than what fits their needs.....but some families need a bigger vehicle, and most guys in construction need a truck!....

 

[cornutt]

I've had it pointed out to me by people that have kids that if you have more than two young ones (or, say, your kids and your neighbor's kids are car pooling), it's pretty much impossible to legally carry them in a sedan. Not only do you need a car seat for each one, with the requisite belt setup, but in many states it's illegal to let a child ride in the front passenger seat. So if you have more than two kids, you have to have a vehicle with a third row of seats.

 

[pierreandreply4]

its the same old debate

its the same old debate but my toughs is whats the point of a washer if you can not select the wash rinse temp you need if my memory serves me right older vintage washers did not have cold water wash the options where warm or hot with a warm rinse mostly I think cold water wash and cold water rinse came around the end of the 60 start of the 1970 but can not pin point the excat year there already the fact that most washers of today have ban warm rinse screen shot use as an exemple

 

[johnrk]

+Yogitunes

I've heard all the rationalizations for why people in this country need 6000 lb. vehicles to go to soccer practice, etc. Living here in TX I'm surrounded by that. And no, friend, it's just a matter of the paradigm. The comparison isn't correct using the Prius as the tabletop model; the Prius is the normal washer and the bloated truck is a commercial Milnor. I've owned trucks and I needed them. But today's? Spare me. The nicest, shiniest vehicles in any average parking lot are the silly trucks and SUV's that look like they're ready to conquer the Sahara. God forbid anyone use them for real work!

Not only is it just a matter of energy efficiency, it's also a matter of non-renewable resources used to make these altars of excess. But--it's a free country and I'm not the king. There are always those who feel more manly, more 'in command', or just better than others if they drive enormous vehicles capable of crushing the average car. In fact, it's endemic of our culture in general as it moves away from courtesy, openness and neighborly behavior. How naked would all these people feel driving a Model T truck, where the driver can't hide behind door beams and dark tinted glass? Again, 'Yogitunes', you and I won't pay the price for this excess; our descendents will. That shortsightedness is the tragedy of it.

 

[agiflow2]

What is the real motive behind this cold water push ?

Maybe the lack of porcelain tops and lids on washers will cause these parts to rust with all the steam hot water gives off ?

We didn't figure anything new about cold water that wasn't known when Whirlpool started releasing their first automatics 70 years ago.

Hot water is still the most effective for sanitizing and removing certain stains and keeping the washer clean.

Once again government regulations telling us what is "best for us". I am not a child and I know how to wash my clothes and what works and has always worked.

Where does it end ? This is simply too much overreach. What next ? You have a certain amount of time to take a hot shower ? If you work then you are the one paying your utility bills. You should have the choices you have always had.

"Mother Earth" needs saving because our resources are limited ...blah...blah...blah . This creates a dangerous precedent. Who gets to use these limited resources ? I can see where this is all leading and it is not good...no not good at all.

Man thinks he is the answer to this worlds problems when nothing could be farther from the truth. We didn't create it and the world does not need our help. Foolish men with the audacity to think we can control nature and the powers that be.

Only the LORD has complete control of all things as he is sovereign. If we ask in faith we will receive.

Even with my own faults I will put my trust in the LORD who plays no favorites than in men who do.

 

[frigilux]

OK, I'll give it a try:

Dear God,

Please bring back the Unimatic and Rollermatic systems. Suds-savers, too. Oh, and save us from those who believe the humans who inhabit the planet have no control over what happens on it, despite your having blessed us with the intelligence to do so.

Regards,
Frigilux

 

[speedqueen]

Really???

What the heck has happened to this forum? We started here with WP's cold water washes and ended in religion! We're all impassioned in our beliefs, but this sort of ridiculous thing is getting too frequent around here, at least for my liking.

 

[agiflow2]

You have a good sense of humor there Frigilux. Pretty witty too.

Are you intelligent enough to send rain where it needs to be ? How about trying to stop it from raining? Can you do that Frigilux ?

How about raging wildfires Frigilux ? What can man do about that himself without God's intervention..hmmmm.

How about tsunamis and earthquakes ? Can you stop them from happening ? We live on a planet that is alive and can Shake us off of it no problem.

How about pain and suffering ? Can mans intelligence eradicate those problems ?

We as humans are God's crowning achievement, but you give way too much credit to mans intelligence to get the world fixed.

Regards
Pat

 

[agiflow2]

Didn't mean for it to get religious but the whole thing of being dictated to as to what temperatures we can wash in because of government mandates.It is getting rediculous.

How much water and how hot it is should be the business of the individual who has to do the wash not a beaurocracy