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toggleswitch2
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Muzzle it already!
Why is it that when one has been directly and publically told by the webmaster to stop positng, one still does so?
Perhaps one needs to be open to the possibility that one does not know when to STFU, and be self-regulating.
Herein lies the only problem here.
Why is it that when one has been directly and publically told by the webmaster to stop positng, one still does so?
Perhaps one needs to be open to the possibility that one does not know when to STFU, and be self-regulating.
Herein lies the only problem here.
toggleswitch2
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...and honey, Ive put a major sock/cork in it; everybody can!
There is a
difference in opinion here which mirrors the fact that we have two very disparate points of view as to what is and is not acceptable language, resp., what is or is not an acceptable topic for discussion in a public forum.
There is no way to bridge the gap, one side or the other will have to give way. I don't care which decision Robert makes, I'll abide by his rules.
There's nothing 'right' or 'wrong' there, it simply is what it is. It's unfortunate that we can't get along on this, but I suppose for the conservatives here this is as non-negotiable as it would be for me to stop being a yellow-dog Democrat and to become a Republican.
We've seen an unending escalation between an established group here and myself since the Austin incident. I can't do a thing about anybody else, but:
I've decided to draw up a list of people whose postings I will simply no longer respond to, even if they are the most innocuous discussions of Imperial or Deluxe topics.
It won't be easy, I don't know whether anyone here has noticed or not, but I do have rather strong opinions on gay rights, civil rights, human rights, separation of church and state and am a strict Constitutionalist.
difference in opinion here which mirrors the fact that we have two very disparate points of view as to what is and is not acceptable language, resp., what is or is not an acceptable topic for discussion in a public forum.
There is no way to bridge the gap, one side or the other will have to give way. I don't care which decision Robert makes, I'll abide by his rules.
There's nothing 'right' or 'wrong' there, it simply is what it is. It's unfortunate that we can't get along on this, but I suppose for the conservatives here this is as non-negotiable as it would be for me to stop being a yellow-dog Democrat and to become a Republican.
We've seen an unending escalation between an established group here and myself since the Austin incident. I can't do a thing about anybody else, but:
I've decided to draw up a list of people whose postings I will simply no longer respond to, even if they are the most innocuous discussions of Imperial or Deluxe topics.
It won't be easy, I don't know whether anyone here has noticed or not, but I do have rather strong opinions on gay rights, civil rights, human rights, separation of church and state and am a strict Constitutionalist.
Lee,
Thanks for your response. I didn't see where Robert had mentioned that the Super forum was going to an age restriction, just that he listed it as a possible soultion within this discussion.
I completely disagree that the Super forum needs to be resticted to specific age group if the topics are harmless issues like recipies, detergents, STPP, estate sale finds, or the latest cool vintage refrigerator, killer Sherwood green Imperial range, etc. I would hope that any message I post in the Super forum, or even the Imperial/Deluxe, is viewed as a possible educational post to learn more about this facinating hobby. I know I wouldn't be where I was without the great stories, group photos, Tech Talks, and service literature that has been shared for all types of white goods -- not just washers. The Super forum has been this type of vehicle for many, even if they don't participate in active threads.
If age restrictions are put into place I would be curious to know by what method age would be verified and how the costs are funded for said methods. Yes there are ways to verify age but I would hope they are disclosed. If that were to happen, I'd mostly be curious to find out how old it suggests that I am.
Ben
Thanks for your response. I didn't see where Robert had mentioned that the Super forum was going to an age restriction, just that he listed it as a possible soultion within this discussion.
I completely disagree that the Super forum needs to be resticted to specific age group if the topics are harmless issues like recipies, detergents, STPP, estate sale finds, or the latest cool vintage refrigerator, killer Sherwood green Imperial range, etc. I would hope that any message I post in the Super forum, or even the Imperial/Deluxe, is viewed as a possible educational post to learn more about this facinating hobby. I know I wouldn't be where I was without the great stories, group photos, Tech Talks, and service literature that has been shared for all types of white goods -- not just washers. The Super forum has been this type of vehicle for many, even if they don't participate in active threads.
If age restrictions are put into place I would be curious to know by what method age would be verified and how the costs are funded for said methods. Yes there are ways to verify age but I would hope they are disclosed. If that were to happen, I'd mostly be curious to find out how old it suggests that I am.
Ben
rollermatic
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i personally couldn't care less
who's list i'm on. i post what i feel someone might enjoy and learn from and when i have questions for others.
if people like it and respond, great! i appreciate it! it's a fun way to share appliance knowledge. if someone avoids replying because they don't like me or what i've said, oh well! life goes on! it doesn't really affect me or anyone else. if that's my worst problem i truly have it made!!!!!!!!!!!
who's list i'm on. i post what i feel someone might enjoy and learn from and when i have questions for others.
if people like it and respond, great! i appreciate it! it's a fun way to share appliance knowledge. if someone avoids replying because they don't like me or what i've said, oh well! life goes on! it doesn't really affect me or anyone else. if that's my worst problem i truly have it made!!!!!!!!!!!
Ben, there's no practical way to verify ages on the internet. Even on sites that host hardcore adult material, the best they can do is request credit card information when users register. But even that isn't foolproof (credit cards are often issued to minors, and younger kids usually have ready access to mommy's purse).
It boils down to parents who take responsibility for their kids web browsing, and parents who don't. It's not the job of website owners to be cybernannies for this second group.
It boils down to parents who take responsibility for their kids web browsing, and parents who don't. It's not the job of website owners to be cybernannies for this second group.
ronhic
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As I mentioned before....
....be careful what you wish for as what you think you want isn't always what you need.
There is ultimately nothing wrong with the sort of light, and I do mean LIGHT political style discussion that goes on here. Ok, some people get a tad inflamed when others don't quite (or simply refuse) to get their point. So what? People are entitled to hold their own opinions and, as adults, nay citizens of free societies, we have an obligation to be accept those opinions as perfectly valid for the individual that holds them.
The same goes for religion and sex et.al.
Now, when it comes to those under the age of 18, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them being exposed to the sort of conversations that occur on this forum - all of them. I mentioned in an earlier post that language on here is well maintained and certainly I have never seen anything remotely offensive in that regard.
Young people need to be exposed to a variety of topics on a regular basis in order for their own judgement systems to form and than includes topics on sex, politics and religion....
...if you think for a minute that, particularly, the topics that contain any sexual references are 'racy', then you need to go and spend a couple of hours talking to teachers of 10-15yr olds about the sort of language and conversations that they overhear. I guarantee you that it would make straight hair curl.
Automaticwasher.org is one of the most self-moderated sites that I can think of on the net. It is, and this is not a complaint at all, one of the most 'vanilla' sites that I have ever seen - you get more controversy on a mainstream religious site. To try and pour 'bleach' on it and sanitise it further is just not, in my opinion, sensible or a good way forward.
When it all boils down to it, if there is some additional text put underneath the Super Forum entry point that effectively that states what may or may not be seen in the forum, nobody will have justifiable grounds for complaint especially given the topics and general conversation is not exactly heavy-duty.
Remember, young people, teens and children what the news, TV programmes, go to the cinema and walk around their neighbourhoods. They are subjected to far worse than anything I have ever read on here. If this site were to be 'rated' it would almost certainly get a 'G' rating and would never get higher than a 'PG' rating on ANY POSTS....
I would happily let my 12 year old niece, Mikayla, sit and read everything that has been posted on this site that I could read in the knowledge that some of it she would enjoy, some she would question (which is just as it should be) and other things she'd wonder what on earth the poster was talking about and why. Exposure to every topic that has come up on this forum is good for young people to see and read. That way they learn how to THINK for themselves and, hopefully, not have a 'mob' mentality.
Robert,
As a suggestion or even a first step, something along these lines may well quell the flames:
'This forum contains all other non-washer and dishwasher appliance and non-appliance topics of conversation and may vary from recipies, small appliances and furniture to discussions about more indepth social issues concerning every day current affairs, religion, politics and sex that may not be evident in the thread heading. By entering this forum you accept that you may read posts that you do not agree with morally and/or ethically or find offensive. If you do not agree with the topic, general conversation and/or find it offensive, the obligation is on YOU as an individual to click 'Back to Index' located at the top and bottom of each thread and not on the webmaster to monitor and sanitise the conversation to suit you or your individual morals and/or ethics.'
Could be worth a shot and would reduce the amount of code work you have to do too.
....be careful what you wish for as what you think you want isn't always what you need.
There is ultimately nothing wrong with the sort of light, and I do mean LIGHT political style discussion that goes on here. Ok, some people get a tad inflamed when others don't quite (or simply refuse) to get their point. So what? People are entitled to hold their own opinions and, as adults, nay citizens of free societies, we have an obligation to be accept those opinions as perfectly valid for the individual that holds them.
The same goes for religion and sex et.al.
Now, when it comes to those under the age of 18, there is absolutely nothing wrong with them being exposed to the sort of conversations that occur on this forum - all of them. I mentioned in an earlier post that language on here is well maintained and certainly I have never seen anything remotely offensive in that regard.
Young people need to be exposed to a variety of topics on a regular basis in order for their own judgement systems to form and than includes topics on sex, politics and religion....
...if you think for a minute that, particularly, the topics that contain any sexual references are 'racy', then you need to go and spend a couple of hours talking to teachers of 10-15yr olds about the sort of language and conversations that they overhear. I guarantee you that it would make straight hair curl.
Automaticwasher.org is one of the most self-moderated sites that I can think of on the net. It is, and this is not a complaint at all, one of the most 'vanilla' sites that I have ever seen - you get more controversy on a mainstream religious site. To try and pour 'bleach' on it and sanitise it further is just not, in my opinion, sensible or a good way forward.
When it all boils down to it, if there is some additional text put underneath the Super Forum entry point that effectively that states what may or may not be seen in the forum, nobody will have justifiable grounds for complaint especially given the topics and general conversation is not exactly heavy-duty.
Remember, young people, teens and children what the news, TV programmes, go to the cinema and walk around their neighbourhoods. They are subjected to far worse than anything I have ever read on here. If this site were to be 'rated' it would almost certainly get a 'G' rating and would never get higher than a 'PG' rating on ANY POSTS....
I would happily let my 12 year old niece, Mikayla, sit and read everything that has been posted on this site that I could read in the knowledge that some of it she would enjoy, some she would question (which is just as it should be) and other things she'd wonder what on earth the poster was talking about and why. Exposure to every topic that has come up on this forum is good for young people to see and read. That way they learn how to THINK for themselves and, hopefully, not have a 'mob' mentality.
Robert,
As a suggestion or even a first step, something along these lines may well quell the flames:
'This forum contains all other non-washer and dishwasher appliance and non-appliance topics of conversation and may vary from recipies, small appliances and furniture to discussions about more indepth social issues concerning every day current affairs, religion, politics and sex that may not be evident in the thread heading. By entering this forum you accept that you may read posts that you do not agree with morally and/or ethically or find offensive. If you do not agree with the topic, general conversation and/or find it offensive, the obligation is on YOU as an individual to click 'Back to Index' located at the top and bottom of each thread and not on the webmaster to monitor and sanitise the conversation to suit you or your individual morals and/or ethics.'
Could be worth a shot and would reduce the amount of code work you have to do too.
Yes my dear Toggles we HAVE all noticed
And I for one dont see what the problem with any of it is.. I thought that is way we learn , to see both sides of the issue. and that i s what I like to do.. I too have a few that I will not post with anymore as I think the nastys have take them over. As one would think after all that has happened since the Austin affair one would be more careful but about hurting others.. But some seem to enjoy that sort of thing.Dont they.. I for one am sick of the clawing and hate that some have displayed. I just want things to get back to the basics of laundry related things .
And I for one dont see what the problem with any of it is.. I thought that is way we learn , to see both sides of the issue. and that i s what I like to do.. I too have a few that I will not post with anymore as I think the nastys have take them over. As one would think after all that has happened since the Austin affair one would be more careful but about hurting others.. But some seem to enjoy that sort of thing.Dont they.. I for one am sick of the clawing and hate that some have displayed. I just want things to get back to the basics of laundry related things .
norgeway
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ROBERT!!
Do what you think is best,I have faith enough in you to know it will be well thought out,and will be the product of common sense,as you well know,you are not going to please everyone,and as ive found out the hard way,it does not matter what you comment on, someone will take issue with it and say something insulting,you have a lot more patience than I would,whatever you come up with will be ok by me.
Do what you think is best,I have faith enough in you to know it will be well thought out,and will be the product of common sense,as you well know,you are not going to please everyone,and as ive found out the hard way,it does not matter what you comment on, someone will take issue with it and say something insulting,you have a lot more patience than I would,whatever you come up with will be ok by me.
Pretty much everything Paulo said . . .
In particular about the magazine sidebars (that horse left this barn eons prior to the recent ill-fated posting of the thread containing the "B" word and renders its flagging completely unjustified on that basis), but not so much re: the CL/ebay posts. I recently posted a link to CL for a cute little Kenmore pair and a member here followed up and is now their proud owner. Still waiting for pix of them to be posted here, by the way!
My main beef with the flagging system remains that a few sensitive types are handed the privilege of judging whether or not the content of a particular thread is suitable for MY viewing. As everyone knows by now, I find that highly objectionable.
I'll repeat that leaving Super as it is, with just some guidelines and perhaps a moderator, is all that's necessary and affords Robert the time he needs to tend to oil leaks and cranky dishwasher timers.
In particular about the magazine sidebars (that horse left this barn eons prior to the recent ill-fated posting of the thread containing the "B" word and renders its flagging completely unjustified on that basis), but not so much re: the CL/ebay posts. I recently posted a link to CL for a cute little Kenmore pair and a member here followed up and is now their proud owner. Still waiting for pix of them to be posted here, by the way!
My main beef with the flagging system remains that a few sensitive types are handed the privilege of judging whether or not the content of a particular thread is suitable for MY viewing. As everyone knows by now, I find that highly objectionable.
I'll repeat that leaving Super as it is, with just some guidelines and perhaps a moderator, is all that's necessary and affords Robert the time he needs to tend to oil leaks and cranky dishwasher timers.
Aching Loss
Since the case of Austin has been mentioned, am I the only one who felt grief when the Austin debacle occurred? I sent Robert an email early in the day and requested the thread be taken down given Austin’s youth and the tenor of the posts. By nightfall I had been pilloried by a member of the vacuum club as an instigator. Nothing and I mean nothing I could say de-escalated that horrible train wreak. By nightfall horrible lies, threats and defamation lay all around us. If we didn't learn from that, I see little hope better behavior or the ability to just quietly walk away when the fresh blood is flowing.
Since the case of Austin has been mentioned, am I the only one who felt grief when the Austin debacle occurred? I sent Robert an email early in the day and requested the thread be taken down given Austin’s youth and the tenor of the posts. By nightfall I had been pilloried by a member of the vacuum club as an instigator. Nothing and I mean nothing I could say de-escalated that horrible train wreak. By nightfall horrible lies, threats and defamation lay all around us. If we didn't learn from that, I see little hope better behavior or the ability to just quietly walk away when the fresh blood is flowing.
perc-o-prince
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I must be missing something...
as I didn't see the case of Austin mentioned. Forgive me if I skimmed.
What I did see, however, was Toggle's post. Allow me to refresh memories:
"Why is it that when one has been directly and publically told by the webmaster to stop positng, one still does so? Perhaps one needs to be open to the possibility that one does not know when to STFU, and be self-regulating. Herein lies the only problem here."
The only thing I'd correct (sorry Toggie) is that only certain subjects were mentioned in the request (I just checked it). Not sayin' I don't agree w/ you!
Chuck
http://www.topnews.in/german-addicts-get-synthetic-heroin-prescription-drug-2172325
as I didn't see the case of Austin mentioned. Forgive me if I skimmed.
What I did see, however, was Toggle's post. Allow me to refresh memories:
"Why is it that when one has been directly and publically told by the webmaster to stop positng, one still does so? Perhaps one needs to be open to the possibility that one does not know when to STFU, and be self-regulating. Herein lies the only problem here."
The only thing I'd correct (sorry Toggie) is that only certain subjects were mentioned in the request (I just checked it). Not sayin' I don't agree w/ you!
Chuck
http://www.topnews.in/german-addicts-get-synthetic-heroin-prescription-drug-2172325
lordkenmore
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I also question trying to ban people under 18:
-If they are interested in washers, they are probably also interested in detergents, etc.
-They may well be interested in other appliances. If nothing else, other small appliances might be a good starting point. Many parents would not permit replacing the family front load Home Depot special with a vintage Maytag. Many won't allow a huge laundry room filled with vintage washers. A shelf of vintage coffee makers, on the other hand, is possible.
-I fully agree with comments made earlier that modern kids have already heard it all. I grew up pre-Internet, but I heard plenty before I was 14. If I described half of what I heard my classmates talking about when I was in 7th grade PE (roughly age 13), this post would vanish through the magic of the "Report this post" button. Probably within five minutes.
-The Internet is here to stay. The sooner teenagers learn to deal with it, good parts and not so good parts, the better.
-If they are interested in washers, they are probably also interested in detergents, etc.
-They may well be interested in other appliances. If nothing else, other small appliances might be a good starting point. Many parents would not permit replacing the family front load Home Depot special with a vintage Maytag. Many won't allow a huge laundry room filled with vintage washers. A shelf of vintage coffee makers, on the other hand, is possible.
-I fully agree with comments made earlier that modern kids have already heard it all. I grew up pre-Internet, but I heard plenty before I was 14. If I described half of what I heard my classmates talking about when I was in 7th grade PE (roughly age 13), this post would vanish through the magic of the "Report this post" button. Probably within five minutes.
-The Internet is here to stay. The sooner teenagers learn to deal with it, good parts and not so good parts, the better.
perc-o-prince
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I've decided to draw up a list of people whose postings
Like I need to ask, but please add me to the list and I'll do the same in return?
Respectfully,
Chuck
Like I need to ask, but please add me to the list and I'll do the same in return?
Respectfully,
Chuck
Kelly,
I am so sorry you had to go through that.
The Austin incident was a watershed for us.
We split into two groups, those of us who oppose racism and those who supported kicking dark-skinned people around.
Not all of the conservative Christians here nor all of the Republicans agreed with Austin's racism and many of the more conservative members here who stood up for Robert and the rights of all humans as equal children of God were treated even more badly than were those of us who were known to be pro-human-rights prior to the incident.
You tried to be a peace maker. As you always do. Truly, I am so sorry that all came down as it did.
I am so sorry you had to go through that.
The Austin incident was a watershed for us.
We split into two groups, those of us who oppose racism and those who supported kicking dark-skinned people around.
Not all of the conservative Christians here nor all of the Republicans agreed with Austin's racism and many of the more conservative members here who stood up for Robert and the rights of all humans as equal children of God were treated even more badly than were those of us who were known to be pro-human-rights prior to the incident.
You tried to be a peace maker. As you always do. Truly, I am so sorry that all came down as it did.
K.I.S.S.
Would a No Politics - No Religion rule really drive away members? Seems like a very simple solution with minimal website changes and would allow the recipe sharing, estate sale finds and range/fridge/smalls discussion that draws folks together without passwords or other restrictions.
Even the most innocuous political thread eventually degenerates into finger pointing and internet shouting and as brought up above, such threads tend to polarize even those members that don't feel the need to feed the fire. Why not take it offline to begin with?
Would a No Politics - No Religion rule really drive away members? Seems like a very simple solution with minimal website changes and would allow the recipe sharing, estate sale finds and range/fridge/smalls discussion that draws folks together without passwords or other restrictions.
Even the most innocuous political thread eventually degenerates into finger pointing and internet shouting and as brought up above, such threads tend to polarize even those members that don't feel the need to feed the fire. Why not take it offline to begin with?
Just drop Austin in a hole
Can we all just completely get past that. Stop feeding the drama and the hurt feelings. We all have better things to do.
Also, I am as nice and polite as they come, but I also like to flirt and sometimes enjoy a "racy" post. I don't believe I am alone. I seem to remember a post with a picture of a nice man hanging laundry. It inspired many of us.
I also wouldn't have a problem with a nice lady doing the same. We should be considerate of all our members!
Can we all just completely get past that. Stop feeding the drama and the hurt feelings. We all have better things to do.
Also, I am as nice and polite as they come, but I also like to flirt and sometimes enjoy a "racy" post. I don't believe I am alone. I seem to remember a post with a picture of a nice man hanging laundry. It inspired many of us.
I also wouldn't have a problem with a nice lady doing the same. We should be considerate of all our members!
sudsmaster
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Paulo,
Yes, well done. But I will join some others in quibbling about the CL/eBay listings. I have found them helpful on occasion, because I don't really have the time to be scouring the ads. And, to use some of your own advice, if you don't want to read about a CL/eBay listing, don't open the thread ;-)...
Also, I'm going to have to check my Emily Post to see if she recommends artfully deeply offending others in a plausibly deniable way. I suspect I won't find it.
I have heard however that in Japanese culture the art of polite conversation is never to offend another if one can at all avoid it. Something we Americans find a bit hard to follow, I suspect. In my real life dealings I've found things can go a lot smoother if I just smile and nod when someone says something so obviously wrong and ill-informed that even I know the real truth of the matter. They won't appreciate being corrected and I'll get little to nothing out of educating them for free anyway...
Then there's Jeeves. His standard response to Wooster's most inane comments: "In-DEED, Sir", with that wry little incompletely suppressed smile of superiority. I'll have to try it some day.
;-)
Yes, well done. But I will join some others in quibbling about the CL/eBay listings. I have found them helpful on occasion, because I don't really have the time to be scouring the ads. And, to use some of your own advice, if you don't want to read about a CL/eBay listing, don't open the thread ;-)...
Also, I'm going to have to check my Emily Post to see if she recommends artfully deeply offending others in a plausibly deniable way. I suspect I won't find it.
I have heard however that in Japanese culture the art of polite conversation is never to offend another if one can at all avoid it. Something we Americans find a bit hard to follow, I suspect. In my real life dealings I've found things can go a lot smoother if I just smile and nod when someone says something so obviously wrong and ill-informed that even I know the real truth of the matter. They won't appreciate being corrected and I'll get little to nothing out of educating them for free anyway...
Then there's Jeeves. His standard response to Wooster's most inane comments: "In-DEED, Sir", with that wry little incompletely suppressed smile of superiority. I'll have to try it some day.
;-)
"What would I like to see less of in the site? Ebay/Craigslist crap -- I seriously can't believe anyone who is searching for something has not been looking there already. If you know who specifically has been looking for something, email them, but the constant "heads up!" is silly beyond words. I like it when people post stuff to snark about how someone is posting about a GE dishwasher and it's actually a Whirlpool self-cleaning oven, it's not that I don't have a sense of humor. But really, do you honestly think that you'll be the only one that saw that special dryer near Anytown, USA? "
Personally, I like seeing what's out there in Anytown, USA. Seeing what a Maytag A208 is bringing in Kansas City, VS Bridgeport CT. And a lot of times,EBay or C/L is the only way I'll see an oddball machine.
I'd rather read those post's than the ones about someone's rant, because a certain politician said or did something. Or someone's rant about something their partner (gay, straight, or indifferent)did.
Just my opinion.
Personally, I like seeing what's out there in Anytown, USA. Seeing what a Maytag A208 is bringing in Kansas City, VS Bridgeport CT. And a lot of times,EBay or C/L is the only way I'll see an oddball machine.
I'd rather read those post's than the ones about someone's rant, because a certain politician said or did something. Or someone's rant about something their partner (gay, straight, or indifferent)did.
Just my opinion.
polkanut
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Yea Kenny!!!
Well said. TYVM
Well said. TYVM
I appreciate the flea-bay and Craig's lisp
postings.
It's nice for a member to let others know of something and it does give me a sense of prices and conditions.
Laundress, especially, has often shown us some great stuff...and many people do have lists circulating or officially posted asking for much of what she mentions.
Really, isn't this one of those things which fall into the category of 'if you don't like it, don't read it?'
In the last two weeks, friends here in the Rocky Mountain area have led us to a monitor top and a '50s GE stove, both very interesting, both cheap, neither what we wanted right now.
Maybe someone like me who loves thumpers is not going to drool over those buttons which light up in different colors, but there sure was someone who did...and the KA Superba we just got a while back was also only up on a small auction site for a short while.
I hope Robert keeps these tips and head's up.
postings.
It's nice for a member to let others know of something and it does give me a sense of prices and conditions.
Laundress, especially, has often shown us some great stuff...and many people do have lists circulating or officially posted asking for much of what she mentions.
Really, isn't this one of those things which fall into the category of 'if you don't like it, don't read it?'
In the last two weeks, friends here in the Rocky Mountain area have led us to a monitor top and a '50s GE stove, both very interesting, both cheap, neither what we wanted right now.
Maybe someone like me who loves thumpers is not going to drool over those buttons which light up in different colors, but there sure was someone who did...and the KA Superba we just got a while back was also only up on a small auction site for a short while.
I hope Robert keeps these tips and head's up.
How about a"Dirty Laundry" Forum?
I think another separate forum would be the way to go here. It could be called "Dirty Laundry" That way the ranter can rave all he wants. Fighting the wrongs of the world safely from behind the mighty keyboard. From the chosen location of the day,be it Germany or the USA, all injustice shall be righted.Be it homophobia, separation of church and state, something unpleasant from the distant past that has nothing to do with anything present, to racisim itself. The possiblilties would be endless.
I think another separate forum would be the way to go here. It could be called "Dirty Laundry" That way the ranter can rave all he wants. Fighting the wrongs of the world safely from behind the mighty keyboard. From the chosen location of the day,be it Germany or the USA, all injustice shall be righted.Be it homophobia, separation of church and state, something unpleasant from the distant past that has nothing to do with anything present, to racisim itself. The possiblilties would be endless.
Heads Up
Yes as for the "heads up" type postings I feel those are extremely important to this web site and I encourage everyone to post anything that they are not planning on acquiring.
Remember the $600 brand new, never used 1957 Kenmore 800? Had that not been posted I would never have seen that and it might had gone to the krusher!
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIVE/VINTAGE/2008/17000x137.htm
Yes as for the "heads up" type postings I feel those are extremely important to this web site and I encourage everyone to post anything that they are not planning on acquiring.
Remember the $600 brand new, never used 1957 Kenmore 800? Had that not been posted I would never have seen that and it might had gone to the krusher!
http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIVE/VINTAGE/2008/17000x137.htm
~sudsshane
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Hi Robert-
Sorry you have to deal with this mess. I am sure whatever you decide, will be in the best interest of the club. I find it rather bizarre that a certain member, who creates alot of the animosity in this forum, has the nerve to offer suggestions.
I have had my problems with 1 or 2 members, and allowed myself to get caught up in adding to the drama. For that, I sincerely apologize to anyone that was offended.
I think we all need to respect each other and embrace differences. I hope we can start off 2010 with peace and friendship.
Sorry you have to deal with this mess. I am sure whatever you decide, will be in the best interest of the club. I find it rather bizarre that a certain member, who creates alot of the animosity in this forum, has the nerve to offer suggestions.
I have had my problems with 1 or 2 members, and allowed myself to get caught up in adding to the drama. For that, I sincerely apologize to anyone that was offended.
I think we all need to respect each other and embrace differences. I hope we can start off 2010 with peace and friendship.
danemodsandy
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rickr:
"all injustice shall be righted.Be it homophobia, separation of church and state, something unpleasant from the distant past that has nothing to do with anything present, to racisim itself"
Aren't folks like that called Deuteronomists or something?
"all injustice shall be righted.Be it homophobia, separation of church and state, something unpleasant from the distant past that has nothing to do with anything present, to racisim itself"
Aren't folks like that called Deuteronomists or something?
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Jeff~
You may want to follow you own advice. Take it to email if you have more to say.
You may want to follow you own advice. Take it to email if you have more to say.
andrewinorlando
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Personally, I think some of you folks are too damned sensitive and judgmental. Some just can't see humor in things that are actually funny because everything is taken so damned seriously sometimes. But that's my opinion. I don't give a crap what people say, or how they say it, that's their own problem. But if it makes everyone's life better, why not ban the topics of politics, sex and religion, since they have no place in an open forum when they get nasty. Isure as hell won't miss any of it. If you continue to post on these topics, kick their butts out of the club. Simple solution.
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