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I was at Costco this morning and noticed new packaging on their automatic dishwasher detergent boxes. Since my housemate, Elginkid, won't allow a dishwasher (!$#@#%$^%$&!!!!!!!!!) I haven't looked at the detergent for awhile. The Costco Kirkland brand powder proudly proclaimed itself "Phosphate Free." Fortunately, the Cascade next to it had the good stuff!

For the love of cleanliness, BEWARE of this phosphate free stuff!
Dave
 
Tried it

The stuff was AWFUL! Gave the box to a friend of mine and she hated it too. She wound up throwing it away. Pretty soon DW Detergents here in Maryland and I believe everywhere else in the United States, will have no more phosphates in them. I believe it is supposed to take effect in July 2010. I am stocking up now. lol

Christopher
 
its bad

I tried it too. I even wrote to Costco about it, and I'm not one to complain that much.

The formula is bad, and it doesn't clean worth a darn, but the other REALLY annoying thing is the lack of a spout.

Instead of a little metal flip-down spout, it's just perferated cardboard. It's very difficult to pour, and because you can't really close the packaging, it's all clumpy and hard.

I just got a new box of lemon Target powder and have used it once and so far it seems ok.
 
Walmart did the same thing

with their great value powder. But it works GREAT in my machine. Cascade Complete was the only thing I have been able to use to get dishes clean in my dishwasher so I wasn't expecting this great value phosphate free stuff to work but it works great on some nasty dishes. I was SHOCKED!! I do have to use MORE though. I fill the both cups to the very top.
 
I switched from the phosphated version of the Costco dw detergent a couple of years ago. It usually left a bad odor in my Bosch (might be something about how it reacts to high heat). The Cascade Advanced Power powder doesn't leave a disagreeable odor.

I would be surprised if there was a federal ban on phosphates in dw detergents. There isn't one for laundry detergents, all the bans are state or local.
 
Since my housemate, Elginkid, won't allow a dishwasher

Sounds like he needs to go on vacation for a few days so you can install a KDS18+ unit :)
 
Dishwashers...

I actually have a Hobart KA 21 series Supurba in the basement, he just won't let me install it. He says dishwashers are bad for dishes. I agree that they can be rough on china, but that's why you use something else for regular use and only use the good stuff when you want a treat. I wouldn't mind a set of new Fiestaware for daily use.

Unfortunately, the dishes he likes to use everyday are enamelware. For those of you not familiar with this joyous stuff, enamelware is stamped steel plates and bowls, with a baked-on enamel finish. Yes, it is exactly like the finish on a vintage appliance. While this type of finish is great on a vintage appliance, it makes for some lousy dishes. They dent, chip, rust, can't be put in the microwave, and suck the heat out of whatever is put on them. If you load up your plate with hot food, you had better carry it to the table quickly before it burns your hands. You had better eat fast too because the food will get cold with remarkable speed. The coffee mugs are the absolute worst. Drinking a hot beverage from a thin, all-metal mug is one of the worst ideas in kitchen history. You burn your fingers on the handle and then burn your lips on the mug, and that's before you even get to drink anything. He also says that a dishwasher will take the gloss off the finish due to abrasive detergent. Enamelware is great on picnics, but I HATE THE STUFF for everyday use!!!

What does function matter, just so long as it looks pretty?
OK, I'm finished venting now, I feel better,
Dave

The link is to enamelware similar to Elginkid's, except that Elginkid's is yellow with a white background and a black trim band.

 
If it's vintage enamelware, you might want to get it tested for lead content...

I associate enamelware with the cheapest, shoddiest of dishware/cookware. It chips so easily that it looks ratty after a few uses. I can't imagine anyone thinking that enamelware is the epitome of fine dining, but it takes all kinds. He should save the enamel ware for camping trips or prison camp re-enactments ;-)

I've found the most practical daily dishware is Corelle. It comes in enough patterns that it could please any taste. And it lasts a very long time without chipping or otherwise deteriorating. And it can even look presentable for "fine dining".
 
Hi everyone. Here is a link to The Chemistry Store. I order my phosphates by the bucket and mix it in with Mexican detergent for the laundry. For the dishwasher, I keep a sugar dispenser full of phosphates by the dishwasher and add it to both detergent cups. Dishes come out much better.

Ross

 
Our daily driver is a set of Mikasa stoneware that my mom gave us as a housewarming gift in 1981. Not the prettiest pattern I've ever seen, but it's heavy, microwave and dishwasher safe, oven proof to 450F and nearly bulletproof. In almost 30 years we've managed to chip just one dinner plate and one lunch plate.

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I find that using a dishwasher actually prevents damaged crockery. It saves all the rattling about in the kitchen sink where folk usually fling all their mugs and cutlery, and they don't give two hoots as to what gets chipped.

p.s. For the sake of YOUR sanity, find a sane housemate!
 

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