Disappearing Cotton Eco Cycles?

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Hey Guys

Hope you're all staying safe and well.

I've noticed a couple of new washers (like released in the last month or so) which don't contain a Cotton Eco cycle, an Eco option or a 40 E / 60 E option as part of the temperature section.

Also none of those triangle symbols everywhere on the control panel !!

Has the EU directive changed on these cycles now?

One is Miele and one is Bosch, both however have a Eco 40/60 cycle.

Miele WEA025
Bosch WAU28PH9GB

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Normal cycle

is eco on most newer washers/dryers here. Load sensing adapts the temp., time, and water use. Most here are more into vintage, and not concerned with eco in much of anything.
 
Not gonna lie

You know you are from the UK?
You know the UK exits the EU?
So Eco cycles will be a thing of the past soon enough and that might be the first step towards that.

For the Miele though the Eco 40-60 is the label cycle AND their Eco 40/60 cycle, just with different temps selected (it appears both 40 and 60 illuminate for the 40-60 mix cycle and if either lights up its the label cycle).
Kinda confusing.

For the Bosch there is no manual yet.
So can't comment on that yet.
 
Thanks Henrik.

Yeah I thought that too until I saw models in Europe with it as well!

I could have just searched this before I posted on here, but turns out, yes, the EU has changed the guidelines completely as of Oct 2019!!

I’ve linked the document you can download in multiple languages at the bottom, but here are some of the key points I picked out…


(I appreciate this topic isn't for everyone so you may want to skip this thread lol)

 

 


<span style="text-decoration: underline;">THE TRIANGLES HAVE GONE…</span>
The indications of ‘Standard 60 °C cotton programme’ and ‘Standard 40 °C cotton pro­ gramme’ shall not need to be displayed, if the following conditions are complied with:

— the ‘Standard 60 °C cotton programme’ and ‘Standard 40 °C cotton programme’ are clearly identifiable in the booklet of instructions and in the technical documentation…

— the ‘eco 40-60’ programme is clearly displayed on the programme selection device of household washing machines or on the household washing machines display.

 

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">ECO 40-60 IS THE NEW EU CYCLE</span>
From 1 March 2021, household washing machines and household washer-dryers shall meet the following requirements:
(1) household washing machines and household washer-dryers shall provide:

(a) a washing cycle called ‘eco 40-60’, which is able to clean normally soiled cotton laundry declared to be wash­able at 40 °C or 60 °C, together in the same cycle;

(b) a washing cycle called ‘20 °C’, which is able to clean lightly soiled cotton laundry, at a nominal temperature of 20 °C;

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">LIMITATIONS ON OTHER CYCLE NAMES</span>
The name ‘eco 40-60’ shall be used exclusively for this programme. The formatting of ‘eco 40-60’ is not restricted in terms of font, font size, case sensitivity or colour.

No other programme may have in its name the term ‘eco’;

The indications ‘normal’, ‘daily’, ‘regular’ and ‘standard’, and their translations in all EU official languages, shall not be used in programme names for household washing machines or household washer-dryers, either alone or in combi­ nation with other information.

 

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">MAXIMUM ECO CYCLE TIME</span>
For the rated washing capacity, the time limit is given by the following equation:

Limit (in min) = 137min + (capacity KG × 10.2)

with a maximum of 240 minutes;

 

<span style="text-decoration: underline;">MUST PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING DATA TO CUSTOMERS</span>
(a)  rated capacity in kg;
(b)  programme duration, expressed in hours and minutes;
(c)  energy consumption, expressed in kWh/cycle;
(d)  water consumption, expressed in litres/cycle;
(e)  maximum temperature reached for minimum 5 minutes inside the laundry being treated in the washing cycle, expressed in degrees centigrade; and
(f)  remaining moisture content after the washing cycle, expressed in percentage of water content, and spinning speed at which this was achieved; 


for each of the following programmes <span style="text-decoration: underline;">(at least)</span>:

(i)  the eco 40-60 programme at the rated capacity, half of the rated capacity and a quarter of the rated capacity; 

(ii)  the 20 °C programme at the rated capacity for this programme; 

(iii)  one cotton programme at nominal temperature higher than or equal to 60 °C (if present) at the rated capacity for this programme; 

(iv)  one programme for other textiles than cotton or a mix of textiles (if present) at the rated capacity for this programme; 
(v)  one programme for the quick washing of lightly soiled laundry (if present) at the rated capacity for this programme; 

(vi)  one programme for heavily soiled textiles (if present) at the rated capacity for this programme; 


 

A CUSTOMERS RIGHT TO REPAIR
(a)  manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives of household washing machines and household washer- dryers shall make available to professional repairers at least the following spare parts, for a minimum period of 10 years after placing the last unit of the model on the market: 


— motor and motor brushes;


— transmission between motor and drum;


— pumps;


— shock absorbers and springs;


— washing drum, drum spider and related ball bearings (separately or bundled);

— heaters and heating elements, including heat pumps (separately or bundled);


— piping and related equipment including all hoses, valves, filters and aquastops (separately or bundled);

— printed circuit boards;

— electronic displays;


— pressure switches;


— thermostats and sensors;


— software and firmware including reset software;

(b) manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives of household washing machines and household washer- dryers shall make available to professional repairers and end-users at least the following spare parts: door, door hinge and seals, other seals, door locking assembly and plastic peripherals such as detergent dispensers, for a minimum period of 10 years after placing the last unit of the model on the market;

(c) manufacturers, importers or authorised representatives of household washing machines and household washer- dryers shall ensure that the spare parts mentioned in points (a) and (b) can be replaced with the use of com­monly available tools and without permanent damage to the household washing machine or household washer-dryer;

(d) the list of spare parts concerned by point (a) and the procedure for ordering them shall be publicly available on the free access website of the manufacturer, importer or authorised representative, at the latest two years after the placing on the market of the first unit of a model and until the end of the period of availability of these spare parts;

(e) the list of spare parts concerned by point (b) and the procedure for ordering them and the repair instructions shall be publicly available on the free access website of the manufacturer, importer or authorised representative, when placing the first unit of a model on the market and until the end of the period of availability of these spare parts;

(2) maximum delivery time of spare parts:
during the period mentioned under (1), the manufacturer, importer or authorised representative shall ensure the delivery of the spare parts within 15 working days after having received the order;

Regulation - 2019/2023 - EN - EUR-Lex

eur-lex.europa.eu eur-lex.europa.eu
 
They seem to be aware of some of the faults with the previous legislation, i.e. removing all the messy symbols from the display panel, applying a limit to the maximum duration of the eco cycle (which looks like its going to affect most manufacturers) and also asking them to declare the actual washing temperature reached during various cycles.

 

The document also refers to measuring Rinsing Efficiency multiple times, so looks like they could be monitoring that now, since some manufacturers are essentially destroying the rinse cycle to save on water. (My old LG did 1 rinse, with water lower than the wash water level - on the Eco cycle, not that I used it however) 

 

The document also referred to multi drum and heat pump enabled machines, so they seem to be considering future models. 

 

Finally they also seem to be challenging manufacturers to make sure their products last a long time and can be repaired. It wasn't documented in that particular <span style="font-size: medium;">legislation but a few </span>places<span style="font-size: medium;"> seemed to refer to </span><span style="font-size: medium;">manufacturers being made to provide much longer </span>guarantees<span style="font-size: medium;"> and warrantees on their products (5 year min) to ensure products were of sufficient quality to prevent them going to landfill after a couple of years.</span>

 

<span style="font-size: medium;">Henrik - the manual for that Bosch model is up on the UK site... I've attached a link to the manual for a different model, because if you skip to page 53, the table of data the EU has asked to be supplied moving forward is there, and the actual temperatures reached on certain cycles is quite interesting. </span>

 

 

[this post was last edited: 4/18/2020-16:28]

 
UK Changes

I doubt just because the UK leaves the EU there will be any changes to the machines and eco cycles, at least initially.
Most of the machines we have here are from EU.

I know Bosch in India and Australia do have different ECO settings - so we might see that here eventually. But would Miele, Whirlpool, Candy etc really change their products just for UK market?

The New label comes into affect next year, so until then, we may see crossover models, such as what is happening at Miele.
Future Bosch/Siemens models have all had the Eco 40/60 added, and Eco Perfect has been removed (not allowed on the directive) - The TOL Bosch / Siemens will have "Intensive" option. (There's a wide range of New Bosch / Siemens (Well tweaked) coming this month to the UK - and to EU in September).

I would imagine IFA 2020 (if it goes ahead due to current pandemic) would be the place to watch!
 
Good point Matt!

Because most white goods today the world over are either made in or sourced from parts and technology namely from Asian suppliers following ECO and Energystar guidlines. Since modern washers have thermistors in the water temp. inlet, regardless of the setting on the water heater, the temp. has a limit. My Samsung has steam cycles. Guess what though? The pumping out of wash water is hotter when I use the hottest temp. setting on the washer vs. steam. The heater stays on longer obviously. If I select the hottest temp. first, then touch steam, the led temp. setting drops by one cooler. The steam cycle wash time may be longer depemnding upon selected soil level because the temp. is lower, but stain removal is not as good. For example, if I apply my petroleum jelly based "Sweet Sweat" gel on my belly before a workout. Don't you dare call me vain. I have no stretch marks. I was a size 40, or 42 inch waist. Now I wear size 34, same as when I was that age.
 
Yeah will be interesting to see how various brands change things up to accommodate this.

 

If IFA doesn't go ahead, hopefully we'll still get some press releases or YouTube vids from the brands in September.

 

Mat, can I ask how you know the new Bosch stuff is coming? Thats not a challenge, I just wondered if there's somewhere I can get that information from, (I like keeping up to date with the new stuff), or are you just well connected? lol

 

 
 
Changes

I walked around the Internet a bit and so far, I saw some stuff.

Beko's Daily quick has been renamed for both washers and dishwashers.
BSH turned their Eco cycle into "Cotton coloured" for Germany on their washers.
Miele added the Eco 40-60 cycle to most of their washer lineup where it doubles as both Eco 40-60 and the label cycle. Further their new G5000 line dosen't have a "Normal" cycle, neither does it have a memory option. The G7000 still have those, so maybe they will get refreshed soon.
Bauknecht and for that matter Hotpoint seem to have adapted changes on their newest models as well, just that the models from Bauknecht aren't avaible yet, but they do label max temps already.
 
the lower-end integrated BSH washing machines have been updated and now they no longer feature a boilwash, there's a Hygiene 60C in its place, there's going to be a lot of mouldy door seals now! here's a link to the Bosch version. :o

www.bosch-home.co.uk

WIW28301GB Built-in washing machine | BOSCH GB

WIW28301GB Built-in washing machine | BOSCH GB
www.bosch-home.co.uk www.bosch-home.co.uk
 
problem was the design of the detergent dispenser that cause

Yes can imagine that definitely wouldn't help.

The images of some of those Moon door seals were just outright grim, the stuff of nightmares - never seen mould like it. They even made it on to watchdog (A BBC consumer rights show for anyone not familiar).

As someone who runs no fewer than 3 boil washes a week, wouldn't even contemplate getting such a machine.

My mother bought an Indesit Innex not long ago and although she hates it anyway the thing that was almost the axe for it was that she didn't think it had a boil wash (it's very well hidden, it's only available the "whites" cycle, not the cottons programs and nowhere on the machine itself does it show a 90 cycle).

No prizes for guessing who found it.
 

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