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I have several machines that I have to get rid of. They are:
Powerbook 1400c
Powerbook 160
Powerbook Duo 280c with Duo Dock
Apple IIe
G3 All-IN-One
If anyone on the site is interested, please send me an email about these. These need to go SOON! Thanks.
 
Damn! I hope you don't have to ship the G3AIO. Those were giant, something like 50 lbs. Always looked like a molar to me.

I would have been interested, but I already have a decent amount of Apple stuff anyway. The ][e would have been my first choice!
 
Yes!

I have quite a collection myself. My SE/30 and Apple //e may need some company soon. I'd be interested in the Duo or the A2E. Are those Duo the 68040 or the LC? I know that made one of the full 040's in one of them. The 280c would be grand.

-Tim
 
G3 AIO

I remember that some of those Nineties AIO Macs were incredibly heavy. I have one, I think it's a 5300LC, that I bought at a school surplus auction a few years ago and used as a TV for a while. When I no longer needed it for a TV, I decided to use it as an MP3 jukebox, only to find that it didn't have 16-bit CD quality audio. That blew my mind as I had a 486 that did that was years older. I thought that was a strange choice on Apple's part at the time that machine was made.

The molar description of the G3 is pretty good. The wavy shape was a lot like that. There were some of those in a library where I worked at school. I didn't have to pick one up but a couple of times, but they were bad. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they're MORE than 50 lbs.

I recently had the fortune to find an ADB keyboard at Goodwill on half price day. I had plugged my IIGS in a few weeks before to play some old games, and found that the top row of keys didn't work. That meant that I couldn't go to the control panel to change the boot device to the 5.25 floppy (OA-Ctrl-Esc) nor enter PR#6 from the BASIC prompt, as # was on the dead row.
 
Now that I think of it that G3 machine does look like a molar. I remember in 1998 my elementary school got some of these. They came in big white and gray boxes with a big apple logo on the sides. Because of it being so heavy, I don't think I will ship it. Who ever wants it will have to pick it up in person.

davek,
I also have non USB mac keyboards with the din-ports.

I would keep the G3, as it is the last All-In-One that could be used with legacy hardware(Image-writer, etc.) But it has serious limitations, you can't go past OS 10.3, Ram limits to 384MB, and is slower than a PC having a hard drive with a smart error.

As posted above the Duo, the DUO dock, and the 1400c are GONE. I shipped them today.
 
"slower than a PC having a hard drive with a smart error

Isn't there some silly cost-cutting on the AIO G3 that's the reason for this? Small cache or something?
 
The G3 AIO uses the Gossamer logic board, which (if i recall correctly) was a pro-line board with a lousy SCSI and IDE controller. You can make 'em faster with a better IDE card. You can push it to 768mb if you can find and fit the DIMMS. Fastest speed on the AIO was 266mhz, but you could bump it to 300 with the cpu from a biege desktop (using the same logic board) or swipe one from a blue and white G3, which go up to 450mhz. Remember to swipe the speed-jumper block and voltage regulator as well! There are even G4 upgrades for these, and Apple used some of the last blue and white logic boards to produce some early (crummy) G4 machines (called the Yikes! Models).

You should be able to use a serial-connected ImageWriter with a USB to Serial adapter. Then you could use a Cube or a G4 machine with 10.4, which would be oodles better.

The TOL Apple ADB (non-usb) keyboards, the Extended and Extended II, are epic keyboards - typing on one right now on my Mac Pro. Its circa 1990. Compares to the Model M from IBM. Griffin makes (made?) an ADB to USB adapter. Works on intel machines, even with 10.6.4!

Dave - is the keyboard you found an Apple IIgs keyboard, or some other Apple ADB keyboard? The IIgs one had some issues with bad soldier joints, there used to be a how-to with a quick fix. I'll post a pic of the IIgs board...

The 5300LC was an education model. The reason for no 16 bit audio is the "LC" part- Apple scrimped on some features to make it low cost. Schools didn't care all that much about super-great audio because most educational software at the time didn't support it anyway. Pretty much any other machine, going back a few years, that wasn't an education or Low Cost model, would have had CD quality audio support, back into the 680X0 years. I doubt the 5300LC's CPU would have been good at playing MP3's anyway, a 603 PPC at 100mhz.

Looked it up - the G3AIO weighs in at 59.5 lbs. Good Grief! Also, the Duo 280 and 280C are 68LC040 machines - the '040 processor and no onboard math co. The full sized Duo Docks gives you a math co, however. Greyscale active matrix displays, on machines like the 280 and 180 machines are some of my favorites!
 
and an Apple IIgs ADB keyboard. Completely compatible with mac, and all ADB keyboards work on the IIgs. Has the funky Apple //c style keys. Apple's first ADB keyboard. IIgs was the first computer, not the Mac SE/Mac II line with ADB.

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I also have a Mac Color Classic for sale and IDE/SCSI internal CD-ROM drives.

At one point I did have a LC575, and a LC5300, but those had to go years ago. If I do want to use my Apple Extended keyboards with a PC, where do I purchase an adapter? Also, If I want to use my Imagewriter II printer with my G4 machine, is it possible to purchase an adapter to convert to usb?
 
The one that I got at Goodwill is the extended keyboard II as pictured above. I don't have nor have I ever had a proper IIGS keyboard, and it's a real looker. I was using the keyboard that I remember being included with Mac Classics. It was neither good looking, nor did it feel very good. I like the clicky extended keyboard better. It's also very heavy.

The IIGS keyboard in your picture is foreign market, though I'm not sure which one. It doesn't have shift or caps lock spelled out on the keys, but I can't pick out what the symbols are on the numbers.

I can geek out on some old Apple stuff, but I didn't know any of the stuff outlined above.
 
Apple ADB / Apple IIgs

The Apple Desktop Bus or "ADB" was in fact introduced on the Apple IIGS. Eric few people know this, the IIGS was a real pacesetter in the A2 world with its 16-bit processor. the 65C816 was a closer to the Motorola processor used in the Macs of the time than the 6502 based chips that the Apple II had been using. The processor actually emulated the "Apple II" mode and ran at 1 mhz like a standard Apple II. If one was lucky enough to have programs specially designed for the GS, man what a difference. The processor was a 2.8mhz and the display was a true RGB setup with decent resolution. The GS in itself stood for "graphics and sound" and if I recall it used an Ensoniq wavetable which was pretty amazing. I think it was meant to compete with the Amiga and like systems of the time, which was 1986. Apple's product placement was strange on this one, because it wasn't a Mac, but at the time of introduction, was Apple's highest end COLOR computer. The Mac at that time of introduction was the Macintosh Plus, with was a 9" B&W model. The Mac II, which was the 1st modular mac (separate CPU and monitor) didn't come out until mid 87 and even then was MUCH more expensive than the GS.

We never had IIgs's in school, we have the older IIe's with the green screens. In 94 we started getting Windows 3.1 PC's and the beginning of internet and that was that. The Apple II's became relegated to the corners of the classroom and I started buying disks at RadioShack and making copies of games for myself. My 1st "real" computer was an Apple IIc for $50 in 1994 complete with an Apple ImageWriter II printer (beige not grey and not marked 1st gen).

Eric we should chat more :) I love old Apple stuff. I've got the following systems: Mac Plus, SE/30 (1st Mac), Classic, IIci, IIsi, IIcx, Q630, P631CD, PM6100, 1st Gen iMac 233, iMac DV SE 400 (graphite), iBook G4, probably much more in storage. I also have a lot of Apple II stuff including cards and printers including the short-lived Apple Scribe color thermal wax printer.

Also my screen name is named after my favorite Mac, the Macintosh IIsi. I had a 1991 Mac IIsi that I fell in love with years ago and I kept the name. I think sometimes people wonder what the hell my SN means. It's old from the AOL days of 1996. I think Macboy may mean something else, but it's an Apple reference with me.

-Tim
 
We bought a Apple //c back in 83 or 84. It came with an amber monitor and imagewriter printer. It was a pretty neat machine. We paid about $2,800. for the complete set.

I loved the Imagewriter (beige) because you could code it to backspace your LF and type another column. I wrote a program that wrote titles for music cassettes I recorded. You cold also tell the Imagewriter to change fonts & font sizes, etc. from the code within a program. It was one heck of a versatile printer. Unfortunately it had a serial port on it rather than a Paralell port.

And even more unfortunately, someone broke into our home and stole it all. We then went with an IBM PC AT.
 
Also...

The fastest Apple II computer ever produced was the Apple IIc+. It had a 4mhz processor and a built in 3.5" 800k floppy. It was also marketed as a ProDOS machine and came with MenuWorks if I remember. Also the PSU was integrated, and it used the smaller DIN8 Mac style serial ports instead of the standard IIc's 5-pin and also supported the newer 800k "dumb" drives as opposed to the UniDrive system that the previous model relied on. 4mhz is crazy fast on an A2, luckily it has a "turbo" switch that throttled it back down to 1mhz. A good compact and versatile system for the Apple II lover, very portable and fast. The RAM as I recall was upgradable in this machine as well, although I never tried to open mine up.

I also REALLY like the keyboard on these and the later Apple IIc's, they have a nice solid travel and firm stop. The original 84 edition IIc had this strange keyboard on it with metal retainers that caused the key to click. Apple had introduced the Dvorak keyboartd layout on the original IIc, which one could select with a button near the reset button. The thought was the click-clips and Dvorak would promote touch-typing skills by only requiring a certain amount of force to actuate a key. Problem is the clips would get old and some buttons would get harder than others to press. Apple fixed this in the 85 versions and the keyboard no longer had the IBM-esque click that caused so many issues. This revised keyboard would be what Apple based all of their future A2 and Mac keyboards on until the end of the ADB run in 99 or so.

What have you started? I've been getting my old computers out and looking at my old books and manuals. :) I love old Apple stuff, it was built very well and at the time, very innovative yet simple. The are diehards on both sides, but to me these old things have so much more soul than a Compaq from the same era. A friend of mine that I learned a lot of Apple stuff from once said "An Apple is not assembled, it's engineered", I have been inclined to believe this over the years. To me, they are the Maytags of computers.

-Tim
 
Tim--I long ago suspected your screen name was inspired by the IIsi. I also have an old IIsi lying around--I bought it around 2000. It was fun buying a $3,500+ computer for only $15. I used it heavily for word processing for at least 2 years. (Even now, I do a lot of writing using an old Mac. They seem to do a better job of staying out of my way when I work than modern systems. If nothing else, there is no Internet distraction!) My only complaint with the IIsi was the amount of noise the cooling fan made--which may have been a factor of age and wear.
 
Good eye, Dave, on the foreign market IIgs keyboard. My current Extended II has been through the dishwasher several times now, once it gets flakey.

Tim- did you know the IIc+ had been engineered to have special circutry to support timing on the 800k drives, and i believe at some point they abandoned it in place when they decided to go with a 4mhz CPU.

My IIgs is a ROM 03, with a Applied Engineering TransWarp GS card taking it to 8mhz, crazy fast when you consider it was supposed to run at 2.8. I snagged a NOS 1.44mb SuperDrive and controller a while back, and an Apple High Speed SCSI Rev C card. I have a RAMFast SCSI card that was too fussy to use. Also had an Apple HDSC20 case with a 230mb hard disk, and a matching Apple CDROM drive, the one with the caddy. My main issue now is that the display has died, and I have nothing to hook it up to. Its been ages since I had it out of storage.

Jax- the G4 you are using may be 7 or more years old now - absolutely vintage in the computer world. I have lots of G4 iron still in production here at work. Good stuff.
 
Apple IIc+ Disk Controller

Yes it was called the MIG or something similar. I USED to have a bunch of old Apple II mags on disk and this was one of the things they talked about was the disk controller for the IIc+. It makes me think that the 4mhz was much an afterthought.

My main Apple II is the one my late grandfather gave me shortly after I got into computers. It's to the gills for an old IIe. It was a rev A but I swapped a newer Rev B board in it with the 65C02 and MouseText ROMS in it. The unit started it's life out as a 1st gen Apple IIe, 82 model. It has the old resin case that the ][ and ][+ had, within months Apple has switched to a molded plastic for the IIe, which discolor badly in heat. It also has the rare white lettered keys and lighter tan buttons that were only around for the 1st 6 months of production. On the inside i've got: 1MB Meg80Z/80 Col. card, Apple Mouse // adapter, Disk ][ interface w/2 original Shutgart style drives, Apple Parallel Card, Apple Super Serial card, Echo+ Soundcard, and an old FCP Sider 10mb hard drive and controller (s7). That thing is akward in slot 7, but in boot order starts at 7 and goes down, so if you want to bot from the HD you put it in 7. It is a DOS 3.3 based disk with ProDOS partition support and I love it. I run AppleWorks and neat little desktop published called PublishIt! 4. It's slow, but it can actually turn out color newsletters with an ImageWriter II. The HD and RAM make this possible. The IIc+ can burn it up though, I still love the old dinosaur A2e though. I also have a serial connection setup to it with an old Toshiba laptop with ADT for disk images, I have the entire Asimov archive on the hard drive of the laptop. I need a new enclosure for the HD. The disk drive is fine, but the PSU in the housing is dead. I need to find an old SCSI 5.25" housing and modify it. I will get some pics of the Apple IIe for you, it sounds like you may enjoy it :)

Most of my stuff was forced into storage unfortunately except for the Apple IIe, and heat had turned everything yellow, which is a horrible shame because many things were near mint when they went in there. It all still works though.

-Tim
 
Whirlcool--USB Apple keyboards should work with XP. The one word of warning is that if you like Apple keyboards because of the way they were like in the 80s, you may be disappointed now. I think the 80s ADB keyboards were much better for typing than anything I've seen from Apple in recent years.
 
Last call for Apple stuff!!! Due to the shipping disaster involving some of the laptops, you must come in person to collect these machines/parts. By next Wednesday this stuff will be gone!!!
 

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