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I agree with Eugene on the lack of certain features on the SQ FLs. A soil level switch would be nice. An automatic (warm) prewash function, if one's washing items with protein stain so you don't have to start a warm wash, cancel it midway through the cycle and start over again on hot. A heater for hot washes so you don't have to start an empty hot wash, cancel, load items and start another hot wash with the tub preheated. All that is doable but I'm just spoiled by my fully-automatic washer...

Of course, the SQ is sturdier than the LG.

Here are some take-them-with-a-grain-of-salt reviews of the two washers:

http://www.washerdryerinfo.com/ratings.htm?_type=Appliances::MajorAppliances::WashingMachine

 
To Powrbruh...

Still considering getting an LG!

I decided not to get an LG flatscreen just reading about your ordeal. They might make great TV's... but I just couldn't.

Thanks for sharing your story. Consumers almost always get a fair treatment. Too bad they have to fight the way you did to get there.
 
Frigilux,

I have done the same as well. I get bored with the same ole set and want something newer and nicer. I am learning that newer and nicer does not mean quality and longetivity. I have spent quite of bit of cash buying appliances. Quite a bit. I just purchased a home. It has a top-of-line, direct-drive Kenmore set. The shredmores as they are called. I had a set myself. Ripped and torn some of my clothes badly. I gave them to my mom and purchased me a topload Speed Queen set. I got bored with them and wanted the new LG topload set. I said it is time for me to stop buying all these machines and get something that will last. The shredmores sound as if the transmission is going. Very loud when spinning.

Pierreandreply4,

I would love to get my hands on a 20lb Capacity Montgomery Wards set with the burpilator agitator. Those were my favorites. I like the Kenmore and Whirlpool belt-drives too.

Logixx,

I am bummed out by the Speed Queen FL not having certain features too. The smaller capacity, the lack of internal heater, and the 1000rpms spin speed. However, I know it will last me for while.

Huebschman,

No I am no longer considering the LG's. I decided if I get a new set, it will be the Speed Queens.
 
Hey Powerbruh,

I own a Huebsch (Aka Speed Queen) front loader and so far I'm quite happy with it.. I don't think that if you bought one, you would regret it. I like a company that stands behind their product. I'm glad to see you got everything worked out with LG.

I initially thought that the smaller capacity of the front loader would be an issue, but in all honesty, it really isn't. It holds more clothing than my old 4.1 cu.ft GE toploader. For example, my GE could handle 7 pairs of 40/32 jeans, my Huebsch can handle 10 pairs. That's at least four weeks of laundry right there. Well, at least for me anyway.

What I find that I can't do is wash a thick double sized comforter in the machine. Well, I can, but it is a very tight fit. The problem isn't so much that the washer can at least get it wet, is that the dryer doesn't have enough capacity to handle it, so I feel that the washer is a well sized fit for the matching dryer.

One of the biggest issues people don't realize, is that a larger capacity drum means more stress on the components of the machine. If the components are good enough for 8 kg (About 16 lbs) of clothing but due to the size of the drum, a person can manage to cram in 16 kg (About 32 lbs) of clothing, all they are doing is making money for the manufacturers when the bearings give out after a few short years of service. It gives me peace of mind to know that even if I do cram the drum full on my Huebsch, whatever I throw at it, it will handle it.

Realistically, for those really large loads (ie. Comforters, Duvets, etc) it isn't that expensive to just wash them in a triple loader at the laundromat and dry it in a large capacity dryer which won't bake it and will dry it quickly.

I have to admit that it would have been nicer if Alliance had put more features into their FL, but realistically, compared to my old TOL GE set, we never really use more than two cycles, "Regular" and "Delicate".. Heck, I don't even bother with the permanent press cycle, although it is nice to have if I need it.

Since most American Front Loaders are not designed for cold fill anyway and most Americans and Canadians have gas or electric water heaters, I can see why Alliance got rid of the heater feature. 120 volts kind of sucks for that anyway.

The 1000 RPM spin speed I find really isn't a problem. The dryer is up to the task of handling it. I replaced my GE electric dryer with the Huebsch gas dryer and right away, my utility bills dropped by an easy 20 percent. If I'm washing items which retain lots of water, I'll just use my spin dryer. Better to wear out a cheap spin dryer than an expensive washer.

When I was shopping for machines, I found that things like Ecobubble and Steam Generators really didn't add much value in my eyes. It made me wonder if it was another thing that would and could break, resulting in an expensive service call. Turns out I was right. (At least for the latter anyway.)

I'm thinking carefully about how Alliance could tweak their FL washer so that it didn't look like a consumer grade BOL machine, but in all honesty, I can't. Even if they thought up another 16 cycles, developed catchy marketing terms for cycles or options (ie. ExpressWash) or put in a UK-Style Medic Wash, I don't honestly see how it would really improve the performance of the machine.

If I was going to improve on perfection, the only thing I would add is a second pressure switch, which would switch in so that a low water level could be used for washing and a high water level could be used for rinsing.

I don't think it would hurt if they sold a model which runs off of 240 volts and does Euro-Style boil washes and 60 C washes.. for those who prefer not to use bleach due to the smell. At least that way, the machine could be designed for a cold-fill environment with a hot water inlet as an option.
 
I've always thought a washer can get by with one or two complete cycles; they simply have to be versatile.

Case in point: The Normal cycle on my Frigidaire Immersion Care top-loader. The agitation time ranges from 8 to 60 minutes. You have your choice of a water-saving multiple spray rinse or a deep rinse. The final spin can be as brief as 2 minutes or as long as 12. (Unfortunately, the deal-breaker is that the choice of water temperature ranges from tap-cold to lukewarm.)

This is my issue with Speed Queen: No options, no choices. I don't care if it's built to last 50 years, I will be frustrated with the inability to so much as add an extra half hour of wash time without going back to the machine and resetting it manually.

Powrbruh, I understand your desire to buy a dependable machine for the long haul. While I change washers fairly frequently, my only car is a 19-1/2 year old Geo Prizm (a rebadged Toyota Corolla) with 257,000 miles on it which I will continue to drive until the wheels fall off. But I predict your boredom threshold with the SQ will be reached very quickly.
 
LG Contacted Me Again

Qualin and Frigilux,

I thank you both for your input. Another representative from LG contacted me this morning and offered to replace both my washer and dryer with the 8000 frontload set. I had to pay a small fee, but I accepted. The fee is nothing compared to the $2400 I would have had to spend to get the Speed Queens. I just hope I like them the way I liked my toploader set before the recall work was done. After going back and forth with myself, I figured I made the right decision especially after just purchasing my first home. Also, this will be my first time owning a frontloader.
 
Wow, that was an unexpected turn of events! The 8000's have been getting great reviews, and I hope you like them. Front-loaders have been my "daily drivers" since 1986, so I've forgotten how different it seemed compared to growing up with a top-loader.

I think you're going to have a ball playing with all the cool features on the 8000s! Don't expect to see water in the tub, just saturated clothes. It's odd, but it works. You'll probably want to use the extra rinse option consistently if you have skin sensitivity ssues. And by all means, try the Sanitary cycle for loads of stained whites. You'll be amazed at the results.

The Speed Queens are built like tanks, and I respect Alliance for standing up against the cheap plastic machines of the world (like my Frigidaire front-loader---which I love, by the way), but you've stepped straight into a machine with huge capacity (not that you'll always use it, but it's nice to have when you need it) and an encyclopedic array of features. Congratulations!

[this post was last edited: 3/27/2013-17:24]
 
No Water In Tub

Frigilux,

I am hoping I can get use to seeing no water in tub. I've been reading reviews on the 8000's all morning. Mostly good things. I am so old-school when it comes to washing. Lots of suds and lots of water. My LG toploader had a button for Water Plus that I used just about every load. Not in excess however. Just enough to get the clothes swooshing around. In my OCD mind, I believed they were clean.

The frontloaders in the laundromat use enough water too. I see the water splashing and the clothes tumbling. I feel they are being washed thoroughly. Now I will see no water and no suds. I guess I am going to have to get accustomed to this if my clothes are clean. I do visual and my infamous sniffing test when my clothes come out the washer to make sure they are clean to my liking. My partner thinks I am crazy. LOL!
 
I'm In Love

My new LG frontload washer and dryer set was delivered yesterday, and I couldn't wait to do a load of clothes. I thought I would not like it because it didn't use enough water. I was very happy with the amount of water it used and it washed my clothes very well. I kept turning on the light for most of the load to see what was going on. Clothes were washed much better than in my LG topload. Tumbling back and forth with constant movement. The rinse cycles used notably more water. I use Tide Free And Clear but I still selected an extra rinse. I thought the cycle was going to be much longer. I anticipated around 1.5 hours. That's usually the time it took my topload to wash an load. With the Turbowash being selected, my load was finished in under 50 minutes. The washer didn't seem like it was spinning at 1300rpms but my clothes were very dry when I took them out. I am trully happy with the washer.

Now for the dryer, the delivery men scratched up my dryer and my stair railings while trying to move it downstairs. I took off the railings to avoid more damage. They couldn't get it through the utility door because they said it wouldn't fit. I told them to just leave it. I was getting pissed. My friend and I turned the dryer around the other way and we were able to get it in the laundry room. The delivery guys damaged the front right side of my dryer. On top of that, the dryer would not operate properly when I first turned it on. I had to unplug and plug it three times before it would work properly. I contacted LG this morning and they agreed to exchange it. After i got it to work, it did dry my clothes fast. I think I am going to love this set for a long time.

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A very handsome set! Glad you like them, and do keep us posted as you put the washer through its paces. Hope the pair prove themselves a reliable purchase.

Sorry to hear about the damage to your dryer and stair railings. Maybe the delivery guys will be a little more careful with the replacement dryer.
 

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