DirectDriveDave
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pierreandreply4
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me if i had this brand of washer i would set it to cold water wash and rinse has i notice that there is no diffrence in washing in cold water and if there is a quick wash cycle i would only use the quick wash cycle as well. So i would advise reading the following article.
me if i had this brand of washer i would set it to cold water wash and rinse has i notice that there is no diffrence in washing in cold water and if there is a quick wash cycle i would only use the quick wash cycle as well. So i would advise reading the following article.
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I think we are going to have to agree to differ
on this subject as it goes round and round and its down to each individual I personally could not consider washing my whites in anything less than 60c ok so a few Tshirts have shrunk but no more than they would when dried in a dryer that gets up to extreme high temps. So my argument is I have read the article that Pierre put and I am still not convinced that saving 60$ a year is worth the hassle if I really want to save money I stop using the dryer.... Simples
Austin
on this subject as it goes round and round and its down to each individual I personally could not consider washing my whites in anything less than 60c ok so a few Tshirts have shrunk but no more than they would when dried in a dryer that gets up to extreme high temps. So my argument is I have read the article that Pierre put and I am still not convinced that saving 60$ a year is worth the hassle if I really want to save money I stop using the dryer.... Simples
Austin
people believe a lot of what they read or hear on the TV....is it informative, maybe....there can be a lot of variables as well, that is left out!....this is only info for a quick "you know I read somewhere!" conversation starter....and nothing more sorry to say....this can be used as a guide, it's not the Bible of washing clothes...chances are the person writing this article most likely doesn't even wash clothes, not to mention know how to operate a washer....
I know as much about washing machines as I do cars, but let's say I didn't....I would ask around, read articles, most important, I would talk to the mechanic who has more hands on experience than the salesman handing me a brochure!...just saying
we who are really into laundry, know better, and they claim to consult the "experts"...actually that would be US....has anyone here been interviewed by any magazine or TV show?....doubt it, because if they were, these articles would not be a top headline to catch everyones attention.....
no different than the HE machines on the market today....oh how they save the planet, and are so green, and conserve water, blah, blah, blah....hell, if you want to save water and make ANY machine HE, add an eyedropper of water to a machine....SEE how much water I saved?....is it effective?.....thats the real question everyone avoids!.....
this is not saying that COLD water can not be used to wash clothing....now, for every single load, I don't see it being effective outside of rinsing....ther are a few select loads where HOT should and only be used, theres no getting around that...if COLD is so effective, then why not only one valve on washing machines, no temp selections, just COLD for everything...
yes, I wash some things in COLD water, mainly black jeans, I want them to stay dark as long as possible....actually I only rinse them with a little Woolite and then dry them....but that's about it!
better yet...get rid of your water heater....who needs it, it just waste energy to heat water, that is claimed not to be needed.....in fact, turn yours off tonight, and take your morning shower with COLD water...if it cleans clothes so well, it should get the soils and body oils off of you in no time.....and take as long of a shower as you want....you'll never run out!....
actually to be green and conserve water......just take a 16 ounce bottle of water in the shower with you....that's all that's needed to wash and rinse yourself off with it!....hell, it's expected to wash a load of clothes in less!
I know as much about washing machines as I do cars, but let's say I didn't....I would ask around, read articles, most important, I would talk to the mechanic who has more hands on experience than the salesman handing me a brochure!...just saying
we who are really into laundry, know better, and they claim to consult the "experts"...actually that would be US....has anyone here been interviewed by any magazine or TV show?....doubt it, because if they were, these articles would not be a top headline to catch everyones attention.....
no different than the HE machines on the market today....oh how they save the planet, and are so green, and conserve water, blah, blah, blah....hell, if you want to save water and make ANY machine HE, add an eyedropper of water to a machine....SEE how much water I saved?....is it effective?.....thats the real question everyone avoids!.....
this is not saying that COLD water can not be used to wash clothing....now, for every single load, I don't see it being effective outside of rinsing....ther are a few select loads where HOT should and only be used, theres no getting around that...if COLD is so effective, then why not only one valve on washing machines, no temp selections, just COLD for everything...
yes, I wash some things in COLD water, mainly black jeans, I want them to stay dark as long as possible....actually I only rinse them with a little Woolite and then dry them....but that's about it!
better yet...get rid of your water heater....who needs it, it just waste energy to heat water, that is claimed not to be needed.....in fact, turn yours off tonight, and take your morning shower with COLD water...if it cleans clothes so well, it should get the soils and body oils off of you in no time.....and take as long of a shower as you want....you'll never run out!....
actually to be green and conserve water......just take a 16 ounce bottle of water in the shower with you....that's all that's needed to wash and rinse yourself off with it!....hell, it's expected to wash a load of clothes in less!
A news program did a test on detergents and actually found cold water detergents to be highly ineffective. Cold power is rubbish.... Bio Zet is far better, made in Japan, so why not?
And in Australia, we have solar water heaters. Washing in hot becomes really stupid in this instance, since it is free. I'm still shivering about some laundry done last night at 40c on the express cycle. Not mine, but contained sweaty shirts, underwear etc... Clothes barely looked wet in there, let alone "washed".
Our Miele soaks in cold water, however, before proceeding with your wash, which is nice, when selected. I only wash stuff in cool or cold when the label says so. Our towels are down at 40c because of this..... Same for my darks.
And in Australia, we have solar water heaters. Washing in hot becomes really stupid in this instance, since it is free. I'm still shivering about some laundry done last night at 40c on the express cycle. Not mine, but contained sweaty shirts, underwear etc... Clothes barely looked wet in there, let alone "washed".
Our Miele soaks in cold water, however, before proceeding with your wash, which is nice, when selected. I only wash stuff in cool or cold when the label says so. Our towels are down at 40c because of this..... Same for my darks.
arbilab
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"Green" eh? Know what that is? Algae, from not getting wash clean. If you're lucky. If not, it's something-o'coccus or something o'mildew.
At 80F, sebum (skin oil) is a waterproof wax. It's not a liquid that can be agitated and surfactanted away until 95F(*), its operating temperature. Now if *I* know that, one might wish that washer designers knew it too and didn't set 80F as a wash temp other than "cold" for woolens that nobody wears against their skin.
80F is cold tap temperature here from June to September. Fine for rinsing, useless for washing unless what you're washing wasn't dirty in the first place.
(*Except in one Canadian province where anything is possible.)
At 80F, sebum (skin oil) is a waterproof wax. It's not a liquid that can be agitated and surfactanted away until 95F(*), its operating temperature. Now if *I* know that, one might wish that washer designers knew it too and didn't set 80F as a wash temp other than "cold" for woolens that nobody wears against their skin.
80F is cold tap temperature here from June to September. Fine for rinsing, useless for washing unless what you're washing wasn't dirty in the first place.
(*Except in one Canadian province where anything is possible.)
mrb627
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To Be Fair.
I grew up in a household that only had cold water plumbing to the washing machine, so that is what we used. We added bleach to white loads and our clothes were clean. Nobody got sick and nobody died from washing in cold water.
Malcolm
I grew up in a household that only had cold water plumbing to the washing machine, so that is what we used. We added bleach to white loads and our clothes were clean. Nobody got sick and nobody died from washing in cold water.
Malcolm
I agree with Malcom, I grew up with cold water washing the only things my mother used to put in hot or warm water were my fathers work clothes becasue he was an auto mechanic (and they got 2 rinses). Everything else got the cold water wash. Today I use cold water winter and summer. In the winter I set the Kenmore Water temp to cold-cold where it mixes the hot in to get to the temp, in the spring and summer straight cold water setting. Clothes come out clean(well they arent dirty to begin with when they go in the washer I am an office worker not a grave digger or mechanic.)
I've got nothing against washing in temp-controlled cold water; in fact I washed everything that way for 1-1/2 years when Tide Coldwater first appeared. Caveat: I use liquid chlorine bleach for whites. I hung clothes on the line during summer, so they weren't even sanitized by the heat of the dryer. Never got sick. I quit washing in temp-controlled cold because it became boring...if that makes any sense.
What I don't like is not being able to choose hot water at all. I fully understand defaulting cycles to cooler temps...but at least give me the option to use hot water when the load requires it. It chaps my ass to see a "HOT" water setting on the Immersion Care knowing it's a blatant lie. Having said that, I have to confess it has become my daily driver...for the time being. I've even been washing loads of kitchen whites in it on the Eternity cycle, LOL. I think I've used the front-loader once the past two or three weeks.[this post was last edited: 4/4/2013-16:57]
What I don't like is not being able to choose hot water at all. I fully understand defaulting cycles to cooler temps...but at least give me the option to use hot water when the load requires it. It chaps my ass to see a "HOT" water setting on the Immersion Care knowing it's a blatant lie. Having said that, I have to confess it has become my daily driver...for the time being. I've even been washing loads of kitchen whites in it on the Eternity cycle, LOL. I think I've used the front-loader once the past two or three weeks.[this post was last edited: 4/4/2013-16:57]
arbilab
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Meanwhile Euro washers heat wash water to 200F. And Euro electric costs more than ours. If I want to spend money heating wash water, a thousand-dollar washer should by gawd let me and not argue.
I just moved from an apartment with 30yo appliances to one with 15yo appliances and the contrast is downright disgusting. The 'new' stove won't turn the surface units red and the oven regulation is pathetic. It's scarcely insulated and you can bend the oven door with a slight push. The 'new' fridge won't hold standard size containers like gallon water jugs, the old one would. Same brand, Hotpoint (US). Same model, BOL apartment special. To get the old cold set at 5, the new has to be set to 8.
One thing is certain, the appliance industry abandoned any semblance of self respect some time back.
I just moved from an apartment with 30yo appliances to one with 15yo appliances and the contrast is downright disgusting. The 'new' stove won't turn the surface units red and the oven regulation is pathetic. It's scarcely insulated and you can bend the oven door with a slight push. The 'new' fridge won't hold standard size containers like gallon water jugs, the old one would. Same brand, Hotpoint (US). Same model, BOL apartment special. To get the old cold set at 5, the new has to be set to 8.
One thing is certain, the appliance industry abandoned any semblance of self respect some time back.
Good point
Yogi! >"NO ONE is washing Construction or a Mechanics clothes in COLD water and getting them clean.....I have tried.....not happenning!"
I had a plumber in while working on Zero Suds , he wanted to know all about it , when it was coming out, I asked why all the interest, his reply- he'd just bought one of "these new machines" ( an he Top Loader) and could not get his work clothes clean, in fact he said they felt like all the grime just got smeared all over the clothing now. I told him to use as hot water as he can get and I'd send him some product when it hit the market.
But the point about ATC is disturbing and I remember even in my 1996 Neptune, if only one of the valves was shut off, the machine sensed it and shut right down!!
All machine board controlled
Yogi! >"NO ONE is washing Construction or a Mechanics clothes in COLD water and getting them clean.....I have tried.....not happenning!"
I had a plumber in while working on Zero Suds , he wanted to know all about it , when it was coming out, I asked why all the interest, his reply- he'd just bought one of "these new machines" ( an he Top Loader) and could not get his work clothes clean, in fact he said they felt like all the grime just got smeared all over the clothing now. I told him to use as hot water as he can get and I'd send him some product when it hit the market.
But the point about ATC is disturbing and I remember even in my 1996 Neptune, if only one of the valves was shut off, the machine sensed it and shut right down!!
All machine board controlled
pierreandreply4
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read the fabric label and you will see that almost all fabra
have you ever read the clothes fabric label not all clothes are made to be wash in hot water or very stain clothes me i have some bedding but the care label say to wash eather warm or in cold water, me if i buy some new bed sheets i take the time to read the care label most of my clothes are cold water wash only including my bedsheets but my bed sheets are non bleachable. It is also recommended to prvent stain formsetting permently in the fabric to wash them in cold water.
have you ever read the clothes fabric label not all clothes are made to be wash in hot water or very stain clothes me i have some bedding but the care label say to wash eather warm or in cold water, me if i buy some new bed sheets i take the time to read the care label most of my clothes are cold water wash only including my bedsheets but my bed sheets are non bleachable. It is also recommended to prvent stain formsetting permently in the fabric to wash them in cold water.
theres even a few machines out there, the one I have is a Vestel White, and that will do an ALL-Stain removal in one washing cycle...it will start with a COLD water wash, which will remove stains in that temp, and then the temp starts to increase from the internal heater, as WARM approaches, those stains are removed, constantly progressing until a BOIL Wash if needed is reached, before it will continue in the cycle to rinsing....this is only if you select this option, and how far up the scale you want the temp to go......this can be very effective for many stains...
I know many people who have their machine hooked up to COLD only...and are somewhat satisfied with the results....until it comes to an item that requires a warmer temp.....
many labels are a good guide as to washing many items...
sheets can be washed in COLD water, as directed....but to eliminate most body oils, lotions, creams, and massage oils, or whatever things may come about in your boudoir.....sometimes only warm/hot will do!......not that I would EVER come across lipstick on my sheets, cold water isn't removing it, no matter what detergent you use....
but in a label from Carrhardt or Dickies workgear....you ain't gonna find "Wash in COLD only!"....
many detergents, color safe bleach, and enzyme cleaners recommend for best results, warm or hot wash.....or disolve in these higher temps, to activate before adding to your COLD wash.....read the box!
theres new detergents being invented all the time to combat the washing effects of COLD water...their just not there yet.....
one product not available in my area, but is still made according to Colgate/Palmolive is COLD POWER....that stuff worked!....or even All-Temperature Cheer....these were effective......todays detergents just don't have that kick for the lower temps....
and in some areas, during the Winter.....COLD water is almost ICE!....
one thing I do for a test load, for any machine, cycle, temp, detergent....and luckily I have 3 brothers who are mechanics, is use their clothes as test loads.....
I dare anyone to go to a local dealer or garage, and offer to wash their clothes for a few weeks, and see how clean you are getting them in a COLD water wash....
I have mechanics offering me to do their wash for pay.....because I can get them cleaner than their wives can!....
I know many people who have their machine hooked up to COLD only...and are somewhat satisfied with the results....until it comes to an item that requires a warmer temp.....
many labels are a good guide as to washing many items...
sheets can be washed in COLD water, as directed....but to eliminate most body oils, lotions, creams, and massage oils, or whatever things may come about in your boudoir.....sometimes only warm/hot will do!......not that I would EVER come across lipstick on my sheets, cold water isn't removing it, no matter what detergent you use....
but in a label from Carrhardt or Dickies workgear....you ain't gonna find "Wash in COLD only!"....
many detergents, color safe bleach, and enzyme cleaners recommend for best results, warm or hot wash.....or disolve in these higher temps, to activate before adding to your COLD wash.....read the box!
theres new detergents being invented all the time to combat the washing effects of COLD water...their just not there yet.....
one product not available in my area, but is still made according to Colgate/Palmolive is COLD POWER....that stuff worked!....or even All-Temperature Cheer....these were effective......todays detergents just don't have that kick for the lower temps....
and in some areas, during the Winter.....COLD water is almost ICE!....
one thing I do for a test load, for any machine, cycle, temp, detergent....and luckily I have 3 brothers who are mechanics, is use their clothes as test loads.....
I dare anyone to go to a local dealer or garage, and offer to wash their clothes for a few weeks, and see how clean you are getting them in a COLD water wash....
I have mechanics offering me to do their wash for pay.....because I can get them cleaner than their wives can!....
vintagesearch
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I can relate. Our LG waveforce (the lower end one with a non glass lid) doesn't have the internal water heater. However I've noticed the following when using the HOT setting it initially fills hot only until it passes let's say maybe the fourth row of the bottom of the basket holes and then, its warm. I've actually touched the hoses to feel and stopped and opened the washer to feel the water. I miss the Kenmore with its scalding hot water. But I must say the LG cleans brilliantly. And I use cold frequently. On a sidenote I've used the tide pods results were impeccable.
mrb627
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Cold & Oily
I can't imagine washing anything oily/greasy in a 'modern' washer with a plastic outer tub. Especially when COOL is the new HOT.
Malcolm
I can't imagine washing anything oily/greasy in a 'modern' washer with a plastic outer tub. Especially when COOL is the new HOT.
Malcolm
thats the odd part.....How many people have no clue that the temps are dubbed down, and not getting temps they think they selected, willing to bet not too many actually stop the machine and open the lid to check!....
I removed the sensor in the Cabrio.....although it did give a full HOT wash, and a COLD rinse.....I could not get a WARM wash at all....so the sensor was put back in place....
not really a bad issue with this one, it only drops my HOT(140) temp from the water heater by 10 degrees, and WARM is around 100.....they would drop down more if I selected the "EcoBoost", for increased energy savings....
but there are some machines that the dubbed temps are way too COOL
I removed the sensor in the Cabrio.....although it did give a full HOT wash, and a COLD rinse.....I could not get a WARM wash at all....so the sensor was put back in place....
not really a bad issue with this one, it only drops my HOT(140) temp from the water heater by 10 degrees, and WARM is around 100.....they would drop down more if I selected the "EcoBoost", for increased energy savings....
but there are some machines that the dubbed temps are way too COOL
mrb627
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True
Most people just think that they aren't using enough detergent or begin to pre-treat more. A win-win for detergent manufacturers.
Malcolm
Most people just think that they aren't using enough detergent or begin to pre-treat more. A win-win for detergent manufacturers.
Malcolm
Yogi, why not just put a switch on the the sensor? Open you get hot water, closed you get warm.
I cut into the line from the thermistor on one of my WP Duets and added a bit of resistance to get hotter temps. Tried a few different values, too high and cold was warm. You have to look at what values the thermistor is putting out by temp to determine first if it will work and second how much you want to boost the temp. I thought about setting up several values of resistors and switching them but it was not worth the effort, don't recall but I think I settled on a 2K value.
I cut into the line from the thermistor on one of my WP Duets and added a bit of resistance to get hotter temps. Tried a few different values, too high and cold was warm. You have to look at what values the thermistor is putting out by temp to determine first if it will work and second how much you want to boost the temp. I thought about setting up several values of resistors and switching them but it was not worth the effort, don't recall but I think I settled on a 2K value.
I was attempting to leave the sensor out of its holder, but since it was only a 10 degree drop, I slid it back in place and left it alone......if there was a drastic change I would have left it out....no biggie on temp change like this....
but we are gonna have to look at resistor changes as we get further into the future, where their making harder to override this stuff...
for the most part were gonna end up with our own version of semi-automatics.....were gonna be using buckets to add the proper temp and amount of water....like some of us don't do this already.....
then again, we could be in the middle of these changes, FLer's and HE machines came out, then the lower water restrictions, poor cleaning results and complaints, causing manufacturers to add sprinklers and power sprays to help with this.....give it time, we may be going back to more available use of hotter wash temps.....we can always hope and keep our fingers crossed!
but we are gonna have to look at resistor changes as we get further into the future, where their making harder to override this stuff...
for the most part were gonna end up with our own version of semi-automatics.....were gonna be using buckets to add the proper temp and amount of water....like some of us don't do this already.....
then again, we could be in the middle of these changes, FLer's and HE machines came out, then the lower water restrictions, poor cleaning results and complaints, causing manufacturers to add sprinklers and power sprays to help with this.....give it time, we may be going back to more available use of hotter wash temps.....we can always hope and keep our fingers crossed!
