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Good point

Yogi! >"NO ONE is washing Construction or a Mechanics clothes in COLD water and getting them clean.....I have tried.....not happenning!"

 

I had a plumber in while working on Zero Suds , he wanted to know all about it , when it was coming out, I asked why all the interest, his reply- he'd just bought one of "these new machines" ( an he Top Loader)  and could not get his work clothes clean, in fact he said they felt like all the grime just got smeared all over the clothing now. I told him to use as hot water as he can get and I'd send him some product when it hit the market.

 

But the point about ATC is disturbing and I remember even in my 1996 Neptune, if only one of the valves was shut off, the machine sensed it and shut right down!!

 

All machine board controlled
 
read the fabric label and you will see that almost all fabra

have you ever read the clothes fabric label not all clothes are made to be wash in hot water or very stain clothes me i have some bedding but the care label say to wash eather warm or in cold water, me if i buy some new bed sheets i take the time to read the care label most of my clothes are cold water wash only including my bedsheets but my bed sheets are non bleachable. It is also recommended to prvent stain formsetting permently in the fabric to wash them in cold water.
 
theres even a few machines out there, the one I have is a Vestel White, and that will do an ALL-Stain removal in one washing cycle...it will start with a COLD water wash, which will remove stains in that temp, and then the temp starts to increase from the internal heater, as WARM approaches, those stains are removed, constantly progressing until a BOIL Wash if needed is reached, before it will continue in the cycle to rinsing....this is only if you select this option, and how far up the scale you want the temp to go......this can be very effective for many stains...

I know many people who have their machine hooked up to COLD only...and are somewhat satisfied with the results....until it comes to an item that requires a warmer temp.....

many labels are a good guide as to washing many items...

sheets can be washed in COLD water, as directed....but to eliminate most body oils, lotions, creams, and massage oils, or whatever things may come about in your boudoir.....sometimes only warm/hot will do!......not that I would EVER come across lipstick on my sheets, cold water isn't removing it, no matter what detergent you use....

but in a label from Carrhardt or Dickies workgear....you ain't gonna find "Wash in COLD only!"....

many detergents, color safe bleach, and enzyme cleaners recommend for best results, warm or hot wash.....or disolve in these higher temps, to activate before adding to your COLD wash.....read the box!

theres new detergents being invented all the time to combat the washing effects of COLD water...their just not there yet.....

one product not available in my area, but is still made according to Colgate/Palmolive is COLD POWER....that stuff worked!....or even All-Temperature Cheer....these were effective......todays detergents just don't have that kick for the lower temps....

and in some areas, during the Winter.....COLD water is almost ICE!....

one thing I do for a test load, for any machine, cycle, temp, detergent....and luckily I have 3 brothers who are mechanics, is use their clothes as test loads.....

I dare anyone to go to a local dealer or garage, and offer to wash their clothes for a few weeks, and see how clean you are getting them in a COLD water wash....
I have mechanics offering me to do their wash for pay.....because I can get them cleaner than their wives can!....
 
I can relate. Our LG waveforce (the lower end one with a non glass lid) doesn't have the internal water heater. However I've noticed the following when using the HOT setting it initially fills hot only until it passes let's say maybe the fourth row of the bottom of the basket holes and then, its warm. I've actually touched the hoses to feel and stopped and opened the washer to feel the water. I miss the Kenmore with its scalding hot water. But I must say the LG cleans brilliantly. And I use cold frequently. On a sidenote I've used the tide pods results were impeccable.
 
Cold & Oily

I can't imagine washing anything oily/greasy in a 'modern' washer with a plastic outer tub. Especially when COOL is the new HOT.

Malcolm
 
thats the odd part.....How many people have no clue that the temps are dubbed down, and not getting temps they think they selected, willing to bet not too many actually stop the machine and open the lid to check!....

I removed the sensor in the Cabrio.....although it did give a full HOT wash, and a COLD rinse.....I could not get a WARM wash at all....so the sensor was put back in place....

not really a bad issue with this one, it only drops my HOT(140) temp from the water heater by 10 degrees, and WARM is around 100.....they would drop down more if I selected the "EcoBoost", for increased energy savings....

but there are some machines that the dubbed temps are way too COOL
 
True

Most people just think that they aren't using enough detergent or begin to pre-treat more. A win-win for detergent manufacturers.

Malcolm
 
Yogi, why not just put a switch on the the sensor?  Open you get hot water, closed you get warm.

 

I cut into the line from the thermistor on one of my WP Duets  and added a bit of resistance to get hotter temps.  Tried a few different values, too high and cold was warm.  You have to look at what values the thermistor is putting out by temp to determine first if it will work and second how much you want to boost the temp.  I thought about setting up several values of resistors and switching them but it was not worth the effort, don't recall but I think I settled on a 2K value.
 
I was attempting to leave the sensor out of its holder, but since it was only a 10 degree drop, I slid it back in place and left it alone......if there was a drastic change I would have left it out....no biggie on temp change like this....

but we are gonna have to look at resistor changes as we get further into the future, where their making harder to override this stuff...

for the most part were gonna end up with our own version of semi-automatics.....were gonna be using buckets to add the proper temp and amount of water....like some of us don't do this already.....

then again, we could be in the middle of these changes, FLer's and HE machines came out, then the lower water restrictions, poor cleaning results and complaints, causing manufacturers to add sprinklers and power sprays to help with this.....give it time, we may be going back to more available use of hotter wash temps.....we can always hope and keep our fingers crossed!
 
Well finally Friday night I was able to wash a load of whites in the Admiral with results close to the LAT Maytag. As suggested I cranked the cold tap almost all the way off for the wash fill. Was leary to turn it completely off as I am forgetful. After the wash spin I turned the timer back to 6 minutes of wash, reopened the cold valve all the way and let it run all the way to off. It pretty much created a rinse and a 1/2 with rerunning the full cycle and the lower water level rinse (it was set on Large Load). I think I can live with the Admiral for the bulk of our lightly soiled color loads. For white loads it is a PITA. alr
 
Attach this splitter valve to your washer. The second hose from the hot water split. and your cold water inlet hose to the other.
Now when you want a hot wash, simply close the valve on the cold side with the little toggle and you'll get a hot fill thru your washer's cold fill valve. Want a warm fill, throttle the cold valve to get the correct mix for the desired temperature.

Hope this makes sense.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Orbit-Brass...488?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56548e7068
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Alex, for people considering these parts, are the hoses included with the mixer reinforced or plain rubber?

Mixers fix the temperature problem, but a side benefit of drilling out the hot water orifice is that washer fills are much faster, by a third or more. It's not until you spend the 10 minutes to do it that you start kicking yourself for not doing it sooner. It's saved us hours of waiting over the last couple years.
 
drilling out is fine if your looking for a quicker fill. but some are looking for a totally "true" hot wash or warm rinse that today's machines prevent. This is a walk around to that.
The hoses are straight rubber. but you could create your own using stainless steel hoses and another y-splitter from the garden department.
 
For the price of the mixer and its intended use it should have reinforced hoses imo. I'd highly recommend finding a similar replacement that includes them, or simply buy your own, especially if you keep your water heater cranked up.

At least the valves look to be real brass instead of Chinese pot metal.
 
My point was to show this restriction could be overcome with simple off-the-shelf parts.
Of course the user can mix and match components to suit their own preference and budget.

I like Porsches, some might choose Corvette.
 
The only problem with this is that when the machine is not filling or not in use, you MUST keep at least one of those valves closed or else you're literally joining the cold and hot water lines together, and you'll have warm water coming out of all water outlets in the house.

Of course, I'm not saying this cannot be done, it's just that you have to be there waiting for the fills and such. (unless of course you're just doing a cold wash and rinse)
 
technopolis

I actually was thinking similarly to you, though I'd fit the two way onto Hot tap and another to the Cold tap, add some "Hot" into the cold and hopefully temper the water enough for the ATC to be irrelevant in its efforts (ATC can't "care" what the Cold water temp is right?). Although, if you did this, the machine might chuck a sad if it couldn't reach the "target" water temperature and you'd have to close your taps after each wash, to prevent Hot/Cold mixing in the mains water.

 

And your idea of just using the cold water valve and putting a two way on is a BRILLIANT idea! Wish I'd thought of that :) 
 
I had to do the reverse when I used to hook my Haier combo up to the sink. The water temps were timer controlled and with only one hose coming from the faucet I had to split the cold water to feed both inlet valves. this is a little more complicated, but the idea is to provide a temperature crossover which is user controlled.
I liken the energy star efforts of laundry manufacturers to the emissions requirements the auto industry had to impose back in the early 70's.
Yeah, it meets the government requirements, but the end result has been less than desirable for the end user.

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Usually found at appliance stores...well for me at a Mom/Pop place that sells parts as well....

this just screws onto the hot/cold valves on the wall, and then attach the hoses....simple to install, and prevent any water from going in the wrong direction....basically one way only

hope this helps

for some areas, this is code.....they were on every hose faucet in our new house...

http://www.lowes.com/pd_21507-34146...rrentURL=?Ntt=vacuum+breaker+valve&facetInfo=
 
start looking for one of these now.....were eventually gonna be doing our own "ole time" boil wash.....back to heating water on the stove, and wringer washers...it's gonna be the only option for a hot wash....laugh now....it's comming!....

actually I use this to dye jeans, nothing like a concentrated boiling dye bath!....

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Warming up to cold

We use all ranges of temperatures for washing all ranges of textiles. I agree, it depends..read the lables, and fyi, we used to use, in the 80's, All Temperature Cheer(haven't looked to see if they still make it).

loved reading this thread - good ideas and the link to the lady who took to hand-washing - lol! It might come to that. :-)
 
After reading this

I'm glad my Duet has a heater on it.........I do know that I think mine has ATC even though it has a heater, however, when I select HOT, it feels pretty hot to me - hot enough to create steam, and then it's heated more from that point.......I can't think of anything I wash in warm or cold water, unless it's something like an electric blanket.

Hot water doesn't kill E-Coli though, does it? Don't you need bleach or something for that? I always use a little LCB in whites.
 

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