Finally the full wash video of the new 2018 Speed Queen washer

[henene4]

Final Product

Given there has been service training, there had to be specification testing and that production will start in something like 11 or 12 days, that should be the final product.

What I am curious about right now is what all the speciality cycles are and what they do...

 

[foraloysius]

The new Speed Queens are on their website now.

https://speedqueen.com/products/top-load-washers.aspx

 

[stricklybojack]

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Wow, 7 year warranty on the TOL machine...

 

[speedqueen]

Warranty

I don't particularly like this arbitrary standard they have set up for warranty length. The mechanism is all the same no matter BOL or TOL. Same mechanism, same reliability. This says to me that they will only offer a good warranty when the profit margin is good. The old 432 may have had less of a warranty but that was justified as the statistics said the standard timer was less reliable than electronic controls and they let the user know that within their advertising. This just seems like a ploy to get the user to pay more for the same thing. In this day of electronic controls, adding features doesn't cost anything, unlike in the mechanical timer days where each extra feature required more wires, switches, contacts, etc. Getting TOL just means you pay more for them to unlock all the features the machine can do. I highly doubt the TOL board costs more from the supplier than the BOL board. Putting the warranty into this pricing scheme just seems ridiculous to me.

Just my opinion.

 

[frigilux]

1) The look of the new console on the TR7 has really grown on me. A lot.  Ditto the rear-console front-loader.

2) Not completely sold on the wash action, but dayamn how cool is it that this washer is basically a motor, a belt, a pump, an inlet valve and a rock-solid board?

 

3) I wish SQ/Alliance and local dealers nothing but the best in the marketplace with this new product.

 

[henene4]

Warranty

Sure they need a higher profit margin to refinance the additional cost for providing that warranty.

But 7 years seems a little out of place to me. Sure its long, but it almost seems like they know when the machine will go (year 8 onwards).
From a sales perspective, 3, 5 and 10 years would have been rounder, nicer to sell.

@frigilux

Well, that is the nice thing about FLs. They have been and always be just that.

Oh, and you forgot the suspension in your countup

 

[foraloysius]

Apparently price is not everything for the length of the warranty. The stainless steel frontloader and it's matching dryer only get a 5 year warranty.

 

[johnrk]

Frigilux

Thanks for your posting. It shines.

 

[mrb627]

Warranty...

The warranty is a bit unusual across the FL lineup. For example, if you select the FL rear console washer, 5 yr. The matching dryer, 7 yr. What's up with that?

Meanwhile, the SS FL washer and dryer get 5 yr. The SS dryer is 5 yr while the white rear control is 7 yr. Longer warranty on the cheaper model. WTH?

Malcolm

 

[henene4]

Dryer warranty

Isn't the white rear control dryer the matching dryer to the 7 year warranty toploader? SO it would make sense it gets the toploaders warranty.

But the FLs really should get a Warranty bump as well. But their logic is probably to a) sell people towards the TL and b) that the FL is still the same base machine and thus warranty related questions did not change.

 

[mtn1584]

I must say

they’ve taken an ugly front loader and made it even uglier by reversing the door. I like the T/L washer console BUT as a current SQ customer I don’t know if I’d shell out that kind of money for a new SQ washer. For the first time in a long time I’d likely consider other choices of washing machines if the need were to arise. The new Maytag commercial TL has the kind of wash action I like, however their MSRP is also ridiculously high!
I really do not like the wash action on the new SQ TL and I think I’d look to Maytag or Whirlpool for a front Loader if need be.
Mike

 

[trappn]

Buyer's Remorse

Bought our 92 Series Speed Queen a couple of years ago.

It's a nice machine. We are satisfied with how well it cleans & rinses. It, also, appears to be gentler on our clothes than the old Kenmore direct drive.

We are intrigued by the new clean-sheet design SQ has rolled out; however, we wouldn't consider buying one.

Everyone has their own hot buttons, when it comes to household appliances. Ours turned out to be the automatic temperature control we had enjoyed for 20 years.

During the winter, our incoming water temperature is lucky to exceed 55 degrees Fahrenheit. That's a long way from the 20 degrees Celsius that F & P offers.

There are various ways to ensure a warm water wash temperature, but we're tired of fiddling with it. A water valve that splits hot & cold @ a 50-50 ratio sounds good, but it really isn't.

So, the washers didn't have automatic temperature control, and the dryers didn't have moisture sensors. Which glaring omission would SQ correct, first?

Well, it wasn't the automatic temperature control on the new "clean-sheet" washer, and this from a company that is based more than 250 miles "north" of where we live.

If we decided to go with something similar to the 2018 SQ washers, we'd probably opt for the F & P WashSmart.

Thanks for listening, & have a nice day.

 

[henene4]

That was what ATC was originally designed for

ATC was once invented to warrant correct temperatures even if the incoming temperatures fluctuated during a single fill.

By now, a good ATC system like F&Ps allows for that.
A bad ATC just stupidly cuts down water temperatures.

 

[DADoES]

 
F&P's ATC on older models modulates the valves together to attain the target temperature, does not alternate hot and cold flow.  Hopefully it works the same on current models.

 

[yogitunes]

before I would consider making that Agi-Tub a priority of reason to purchase this machine.....

energy usage would be a factor, at least for me......the amount of water this machine uses, just on the wash portion alone, and the energy needed to heat that water IS a concern...the EcoRinse means nothing....so I save a few gallons of tap water...big whoop!...and for the price of the machine to boot!

whether you like them or not, the FLer is your far better choice......less water all the way around, plus the energy to heat it, gentler washing, better rinsing, and a higher spin speed....don't need no special metering device to see how much it cost to run, my energy bills do that for me....

traditional agitator, Agi-tub, or impellor.....have been proven to wear your clothing out faster....

Alliance is eventually going to phase out TLers, or head towards a H2Low type of impellor setup....just because people want a lid on the top

but to each his own.....

 

[rapunzel]

All good and valid points Yogi, but only marginally so. Agitator and impeller washers come pretty close to front load washers with water and energy consumption - at least here in Australia. Maybe they'll phase out top loaders in the US, but I doubt that this will apply everywhere else where they are in use. Why waste all this time, money and effort to make top loaders more efficient - just to discontinue them. The DoE could have just told the industry to phase out vertical axis washers over a certain time frame.

SQ didn't come up with this latest design to please the greens. This is purely a commercial decision. Surely the DoE must be in consultation with all major manufacturers about how to best achieve efficiency outcomes whilst ensuring that washing machines continue to be fit for purpose. At least I would hope that there is some kind of scientific approach involved rather than some arbitrary process that pushes the envelope to a point where consumers are better off not buying new washing machines at all and regardless of washer type.

Just my two cents worth.

 

[jerrod6]

I kind of doubt that the DOE is working with the manufacturers to insure the machines work as intended. I don't think the standards mention how well the machines wash/clean or how well they rinse; at least there is no testing of that. The standards only specify how much water and electricity must be used.

 

[pierreandreply4]

model t7

model t7 also have a warm wash warm rinse for any member info

 

[rapunzel]

If the DoE is not working with manufacturers they are not able to make informed and,thus, effective decisions, it's as simple as that. All of us understand that there are limitations to water and energy efficiency with existing technologies. Those limitations have to play a part in standard setting.

On their website the DoE state that they 'encourage all stakeholders to participate in all stages of rule making'. They also state that their regulations are derived from a multi-stage rule setting process that includes public participation.

There is also an Error Correction process.

"DOE has published a Federal Register final rule establishing a procedure through which an interested party can, within a 45-day period after DOE posts certain rules establishing or amending an energy conservation standards, identify a possible error in such a rule and request that DOE correct the error before the rule is published in the Federal Register. DOE has also issued a statement regarding DOE's final rules for energy conservation standards subject to error correction."

I don't agree that the intention is to regulate top loaders to extinction, or that the latest design by SQ indicates a complete move away from vertical axis technologies. It's rather that SQ see a benefit in the agitub design, which they believe will help their bottom line. Retooling a production line costs money. Hence, it would make better sense to keep producing the current line-up of top loaders until regulations demand that they be discontinued. When the time comes why then not just make a public announcement that top loaders will be discontinued due to new DoE regulations and that future developments will focus on front loader technologies. Nobody is doing that, yet. [this post was last edited: 12/22/2017-21:01]

 

[spinmon]

look out,here comes tommorrow..

At 63 I like our 2012 AWN542 sounds and performance. I would love to see an '18/'17 equal dirt/stains/load-size wash and spin dry comparo.

If the 2018 SQ can compare to or exceed the old system,MAYBE I could handle the loss of our SQ's speed and happy sounds for the extra 15 mins and muted moaning emitted from Transless.

I DO like 2018's spin speed. The on/off electric pump no.