Good-Bye To Gas Kitchen, Hot Water & Heating & Laundry Appliances In NYC

[bradfordwhite]

Solar and renewables Industry is growing MUCH faster

And people don't get black lung.  

 

I'm sure the asbestos and cigarette making industries were paying people as well. 

That's no reason to keep them around.

How Fast is The Solar Energy Industry Growing in the USA? - Attainable Home

Without a doubt, the growth of the solar industry is really picking up steam and there appears to be no turning back from here, given the lower cost and mass adoption rate.

www.attainablehome.com

 

[bradfordwhite]

Coal Ash has been the subject of several lawsuits and disastrous pollution issues of late.  No surprise there.   

https://www.psr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/coal-ash-hazardous-to-human-health.pdf

 

[iej]

People aren’t very good at assessing risk. Nuclear isn’t perfect, not by a long shot, but I also think it’s been painted as much more of a monster than it really is, particularly because of the way people tend to associate it with nuclear weapons, but also because of outlier disasters like Chernobyl.

There are chemical, industrial and bio processes in some plants that are potentially extremely deadly if they ever went wrong, yet we tend to only focus on the big glowing green monster.

Chernobyl happened in a plant with an utterly weird design, no secondary containment systems and in the paranoid political backdrop of the USSR, where blowing the whistle might mean disappearing.

I mean if you look at say Union Carbide and the Bhopal disaster in India in 1984 that killed up to 16,000 people and injured more than half a million. It happened in a backdrop of a different type of chaotic and totally inadequate regulation and lack of caring about risk, but it caused an a absolutely horrendous disaster and human tragedy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

Which do we rate as scarier? Seems to me we wouldn’t be shutting down the entire German chemicals sector because of an unrelated disaster in a badly designed, badly managed and badly regulated plant in a completely different context, but a weird design of Soviet nuclear plant blows up and an old 1960s GE plant, built in a ridiculous location gets hit by a tsunami, and everyone runs around pushing the emergency stops on the unrelated stuff, built by Siemens or AREVA, of a different design, in extremely low risk, non seismic locations and in a highly regulated and safety conscious environment …

We’re great at calculating risks and being coldly rational.

 

[hotwater]

One thing that is for sure…

People are a whole lot more pathetic today, than they were two, or three decades ago. The golden days are far, and long gone. Whatever happens, we’ll continue to fall into a decline due to a few loud idiots.

I miss when people were actually allowed to have opinions, and disagreements didn’t ruin families. Those times are NEVER coming back.

 

[ea56]

Some people can still act with civility with one another. The real change that has brought on so much incivility is social media and the internet. It’s so easy to be disrespectful towards others if you don’t have to look them in the eye or ever know them personally.

The same thing can be accomplished between others online if you just remember to treat others like you would treat them IN PERSON. Just because you can be an a-hole online doesn’t mean you need to be an a-hole. Stop and think a moment or two about just how your remarks may make that person feel or better yet, how they would make YOU feel. If if doesn’t feel right, then it isn’t, save your keystrokes.

Eddie

 

[bradfordwhite]

It's <span style="text-decoration: underline;">always</span> been true that what we see or hear of a person on the TV, radio, stage, newsprint, internet vlogs, videos, etc. is not necessarily how they are in person.

 

In years past, the studio "system" tended to control the outward publicity that the public saw of stars in order to protect their investments.

Even in person the people you see at work, church, school, or perhaps living with you directly may turn out to "really" be something other than they appear.

People change. Sometimes for the worse and sometimes for the better. One reason the divorce rate is so high and businesses break up.

 

It's human nature however to focus on negatives and often not be forgiving when people do change for the better.

 

 

[vacerator]

Yes, many

people are pathetic these days! No common coutrtesy, driving, or in public. Some will shoot you just for looking funny. I avoid any confrontaion! Don't make eye contact.
Some are whacked out preppers who think they will survie much longer if they "BUG OUT" if there is a currency crash or severe breakdown of infrustructure.
They will blame it on a "Fake" made up pandemic to deliberatley cause it.
My ex-brother in law recently gave my 15 year old similarly brainwashed nephew the large animal dose of Ivermectin for Covid. He became seriously ill, with vision problem, which he gave him eye drops for. By the time my sister got him to the E.R. he was in early Liver failure. Child protective services is now involved.
My niece, the 17 year old sister has been accepted to Loyola Marrimont University. Her dad and wealthy Florida grandma told her if the college requires being vaccinated, they won't assist with Tuition. My sister already had her vaxed.

 

[ea56]

Mike

thats a terrible story about your poor nephew! I sure hope that he won’t have permanent liver damage or lose any of his vision.

What the hell has gone wrong with people that would risk their own children's lives over the BS and lies that they hear and read on these twisted media outlets. If your state has a good CPS dept. they will hopefully make an impact on your misguided BIL.

Maybe your sister would be wise to leave him before anything else terrible like this happens with fatal consequences.

Eddie

 

[iej]

That's terrible. Hope he's ok and recovers and hope she gets to go to university..

 

[maytag85]

One thing is for sure, as long as society exists, immaturity will exist.

 

[vacerator]

Thank you Eddie, IED, etc

Their divorce is final Jan. First.
My nephew is ok, and recovering at home.
It got so bad there. He took a lot of money out of savings and bought gold. He keeps 300 gallons of gas under the deck.
He worships Alex Jones Info wars, and Q anon.

 

[sudsmaster]

I have a cousin who grew up in Greenwich Village. His parents were quite leftwing, so the kid naturally rebelled and for a while turned quite right wing, with anger issues. Last time I saw him was around '74, when we were both in our early 20's, and he was more than a little on the edge. I have heard he's straightened out since then. I wish him well.

 

[warmsecondrinse]

Yes, wind, solar, tidal generators, etc. are the long term solutions. Costs are slowly dropping and efficiency is rising, and battery technology is improving. No argument.

My concern is the ageing electric grid, capacity issues and security. And maybe my concerns are unwarranted. If that were the case, why are they pretty much universally ignored by those wanting us to stop burning fossil fuels yesterday? When questions are raised about how temporary shortfalls, problems, etc. will be handled the response is crickets.

Regarding no new gas hookups in NYC:
- I wonder how many new subscriptions for steam service we'll see.
- ConEd is the major supplier of electricity. They have zero credibility. Nothing they say will ever be believed by any New Yorker. I wish them luck convincing people that electricity will not skyrocket for everybody as total demand increases.
- Last I checked renewables produced about 15% of the electric supply. While I've no doubt that number will rise, it'll most likely do so slowly. Natural gas supplies the majority of the remainder. So if demand for electricity increases, most of it'll be met by burning gas. With Indian Point out of the picture, the resulting hole is being filled by (again) increased consumption of natural gas... at least according to what I read some time ago. But even that was vague. When questions were asked about the plans to compensate for taking Indian Point out of service, the response was this non-answer that amounted to "It'll be fine."

Nuclear:

If only 2 people died from radiation poisoning as a result of a tsunami hitting Fukushima, doesn't that argue FOR the safety of that particular reactor design?

Chernobyl: IIRC that design was outdated when it was built and even within the Soviet Union many engineers were against building any more reactors of that design. And then of course it wasn't run properly. Point is that it doesn't weigh in the equation at all about nuclear power in the west.