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washerdude

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Currently all washers on the market are trash. By all means i would pick a speed queen but, here in Canada speed queen is non-existent. I dont want a frontload because from what I heard they have more problems. please help me pick out a washer
 
Well the Columbus Washboard still makes these beauties the same as they made them 90 years ago!

Forgive my tongue-in-cheek reply but from your clearly stated position perhaps a washboard is what you are stuck with if you want to buy new... To state that all modern machines are "trash" is mistaken. The same applies to what you have "heard" that front loaders are more trouble. Yes you have to use them differently and learn new habits but in the end they have advantages too.

Do remember that when you troll around on the Internet you will read lots of negative things about most anything, modern appliances included. But bear in mind that you aren't often hearing anything about the machines that are plugging away just fine day in and day out. Without the data of the "good" experiences available any statistics you draw from the "bad" you read/hear makes any statistical conclusions you draw likely invalid.

I'm not saying they aren't some garbage appliances out there today, there surely are, but that was always true even back in the day. I have no specific answers for your search, only the suggestion to keep a slightly more open mind as you look.

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Some sort of error chewed up my original posting, but I'll try again...

 

Since you cannot find the SQ machines anywhere near you, I'll suggest that you purchase a front-loading machine.

Not only are they more efficient, they can deliver far better results and are nowhere near as harsh as top-loading washers. They rely much more on chemical action from the concentrated detergent loading in very little water than mechanical actions, say from beating the dirt into submission.

 

If you want an FL, look for the following features:

~ Water Heater: An ABSOLUTE MUST on U.S. machines that temper the water. You want a hot wash, you NEED a heater

~ Cycle Customisation: I would recommend a washer that allows customisation of the rinsing, in particular. But if it offers stain-level selection, bleach options, then I would spring for it

~ Capacity: If you sort or don't sort your clothes, this is a nice idea: Buy more clothes so you can go longer without washing, and wash with a fuller load. That way, you don't have to wash "everything" on wash-day, and with FL machines, this is difficult. I know the U.S. machines cope differently to E.U. style machines on a full load...

 

Some common misconceptions you will probably be aware of:

~ Just because the machine has a "Clean Washer" cycle, doesn't mean you have to use it. Its there for the people who have downright DISGUSTING usage habits: i.e. Those that use Cold water washes, fabric softener and don't leave the door ajar after a cycle. If you use the right detergent in the right quantity, the right water temperature for the soil load and limit your usage of fabric softener, you will have NO need for this cycle. PERIOD.

~ FL machine's can't clean: Again, usage habits need to change with the washer. These machines CAN clean, and are designed to do so using less water. There is still much less physical washing action, and more chemical action: Less water, but same detergent = concentrated detergent loading, CLEANING clothes.

~ Cycles take "too long:" If you have a decently sized wardrobe, and can sort your clothes according to the washer's size, then you'll be fine. Again, usage habits and the way the machine washes alters the cycle time.

~ Cheap/Flimsy Machines: Unless people want to pay significant amounts of money for quality, they won't get it. Speak with technicians, repair-persons and your friends. "Kick the tires" and mess around with machines in the showroom, test their quality. It should be less of an issue with more TOL brands, but be warely, regardless. *Hint Hint* German/Euro machines are typically quite well built, barring the el-cheapo brands or BOL models.

 

It'll be interesting to see what others say, but this is what I can say, given my experience on here and in reality. You'll find a lot of conflicting evidence though, as people often enjoy clinging to the ways of the past or prefer more traditional means of washing, so just remember that research is the key.

Be warned though, this *might well* end up another TL/FL debate... So, I'll add this:

 

If you get a TL/HE machine, I would personally recommend the F&P AquaSmart or another machine from their line. All have a nice feature that uses your selected water temperature, filled to a low water level to resemble the "FL way" of cleaning with detergent, not mechanical action. A recirculation pump is used to assist with this.

Following this phase of washing, the machine fills with cooler water and washes at traditional water levels. Rinsing can be "Traditional Twin/Deep," Spin-Rinse + Deep Rinse or just Spin-Rinses. Of course, the former is the least efficient, but should deliver effective rinsing with a high spin-speed between the rinses!
 
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Lg for a front load, with turbowash, i love mine! What turned me off about miele and speed queen was the price, 2k? No thanks! Plus for 2k you only get 2 cubic ft capacity, if i had to pick a top load machine i would get a fisher and paykel aquasmart, it is he but you have a choice to use it as a non he machine too!! Plus i think you get true hot water too!
 
Washerdude,  Is your water cheap and plentiful? If yes a vintage T/L Maytag or a  New SQ, people really like them.  If you have high dollar, limited water like folks in the western U.S. I would go FL.   The number of people in your household and how often you wash,  the size of your bedding are considerations too.  alr 

 

IIRC.  Huebsch, is Canadian SQ.
 
Washerdude, if I were in your shoes since Speed Queen /huebsch/kleenmaid weirdly are not available up there in your area, I'd seek on vintage or older offerings.
If you seek for really clean results, nothing that I consider a front loader can give you like a top loader does, this along with reliability ( generally, and that is a matter involving both Front and Top loaders) then vintage is your best bet...
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have you tryed looking for a set like this?

in term of top load sometime getting a second hand refurbish as new washer you can save money and there is also a 90 days warrenty for you to exchange the washer if you do not like the first one and i like you washer dude am planing to go back to a topload when my actual set breaks, and a small note to those that went to suggest a front load you need to think that some have a budget or that front loads washer do not fits there needs (* i do not went to start a debate here and washerdude depending on the town you live in if you have a store called corbeil electro i think they sell huebesch washer the canadien branded speedqueen maybe this link will help you locate a dealer in your town http://home.huebsch.com/contact/locator/dealer-results.aspx?p=ab

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Are you close enough to the US to take a trip across the border and buy yourself a Speed Queen?

Check out reviews from real owners/users of new FL and TL on Amazon.com to get an idea of good and bad.
 
Considering that: Moffat, Hotpoint and of course GE are or looks with almost all probability the same modern GE made crap....at least for sure the Hotpoint and GE...
I'd vote for amana, nothing else than a modern BD whirlpool (amana is made by whirlpool) even though I am sure you can find better stuff without every doubt and that a vintage one would surely be better....of course...
Hotpoint and I think Canadian Moffat are low end variants GE made, ...hotpoint are filmsey basic cheap machines, plastic tub and cheap materials, gonna give problems soon and performances are not of the best you can get like for every modern GE..so supposing Moffat is substantially an Hotpoint badged with this different name these two are identical... I would stay away from everything GE made nowadays.

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I do currently have an inglis IJ42001 (made by whirlpool) direct drive with the same agitator as the roper video. Our inglis/whirlpool lasted very long approx. 14years with no issue until now. Though i do trust whirlpool and after seeing those pictures of the cheap plastic tubs on the ge made moffat/hotpoint i'm being not looking towards GE anymore...
 
Sadly, all went through a further homogeneization of the market, you have lots of different brands but being though the exact copy of the others and just changing names....
You have even major brands like Maytag being nothing but the same as Whirlpool...
That really sucks.....
I wonder if these big companies are really wanting to absorbe every possible one and arrive to the point to be just one hegemonizing the whole sector.....
Why continue to absord brands and keeping offering them just for it's name difference then will always be a mistery for me...well not that much of a mistery actually, apparently people are not even able to read a damn label clearly stating the actual manufacturer...
Ignorance of consumers is beyond any limit, you have people out there still saying " I am going to buy Maytag cuz that was the brand my mama had and it lasted 40 years" imagine that... too bad it ain't maytag anymore...good luck letting 'em realize that....
 
Ignorance is bliss.........for the stockholders!

Most are too dumb and or lazy to do the necessary research and make a smart purchase.

Of course, corporate America loves this. Build it cheaper, put a grand old name on it, and nah, no one will ever notice. Right? Isn't this what they teach now at Harvard Business school?

I suppose those who cannot learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

Anyone remember the Cadillac Cimmaron? I'm sure GM would love to forget it and boy, what a whack Caddy took with that one. But hey, it met what biz school curriculum taught them right?

A lady I work with swears by Hotpoint, totally ignorant of the fact it is a GE product through and through.

Still, its fun being on the outer orbit so to speak. I've always been noted for not following trends and saddling up with other sheeple.

When my high school buds were into Fords or Chivvys, I was a Mopar man.
When everyone used Valvoline I used Castrol or Havoline.
When everyone bought a cheap plastic fan, I bought Lakewood and Patton and still have them 20 years later.
When it was cool to shop at some hip hop fly trendy mall store, I bought lands end and LL Bean clothing.
When it was cool to drink watered down milk, I stayed with whole milk.
When a triple mocha latte was "it", I dutifully stayed with Folgers Columbian.
When the flat screen boob tubes came along, I kept my old tube Toshiba. Still have it in fact and it still works.

And when it became the rage to dutifully subscribe to eco theory, I replaced a water guzzling GE with another water guzzling machine.

And haven't looked back.
 
I agree

With Combo 52, Whirlpool has still the sake to do not make the tub of plastic at least, and hope they will never do, this for every machine from them made (wasn't aware of that exception on a DD, but is an isolated exception I think) would it be a Roper, Amana, Kenmore and so all brands they makes, no matter sub-brands or known famous ones, and this with others exception of a few models and or replacing parts ( that are good stainless anyway) you will find the good porcelanized tubs white and or greysh in ALL the machines.. No plastic tubs at all..
As previously stated I would stay away from everything GE made nowadays and If I was in a forced choosing between a WP made and a GE, without every doubt I'd go for a Whirlpool made machine, obviously.....
They are simply incomparable on materials quality ( that includes electronic/electric parts) also washing and price....you can find whirlpool machines for the same price of a GE, Hotpoint, whatever... And so surely getting more for your money regarding pretty much every aspect....
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I've seen and owned many different washing machines in my lifetime and now own Whirlpool Duets from 2007, brand new 8000 model LG Gigantics, a Frigemore and two 4 cu ft LG Tromms. One with steam the other ith a booster. The Duets were in poor condition including a dry rotted,faulty boot and a clogged blower assembly in the dryer. The booster model LG needed a new door lock assembly and is now in pristine condition. The steam model was a real mess. Fortunately,it's still being covered by the warranty.Once it was disassembled,the barings literally fell out. The entire unit is being overhauled. The barings,the entire inner and outer tubs and the spider pully all were bad. The previous owners were beach bums and the lava pebbles,sand and rocks in the machine s outer tub and pump were the beginning of it's breakdown and cold water washing using way too muc detergent with built in fabric softeners left a hard tar like residue on the outer tub interior. Because the owner was on the mainland and was renting the house it came from, the renters bought a cheap ass Amana from Home Depot unaware that this washer was under a five year service contract with GE service sold at Home Depot. They recomended (LG Customer Service) a local service tech Rob who came out promptly and will be finished rebuilding it by next Thursday.

In both cases,the fault was that of the consumer,not the brand. I may seam a bit partial but,in selling them after learning their design and seeing,not hearing them work at homes I sold them to and teaching the new owners the importance of maintaining the machine and following easy directions on use and care, few,if any broke down. I still get email from original owners who talked their own friends and families into going LG. According to CR, LG washers and dryers are not only high rated for performance but are also manufacturing the most dependable laundry equipment. Fewer repairs of washers and dryers.then any other brand.
 
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Luandromat, i have had 2 LG's and never had a problem! I just got mine with turowash as a result of my brand new 2 month old ge with bad bearings, sad thing is, that was the machine that ge sent me to replace the 6 month old ge he top load (5.0 cubic feet one) that had bad suspension rods, not to mention the ge matching dryer was bad right out of the box!!
 
Maytag bravos maybe.....

So I've done more research and i think the MVWB980BG might be a good one. I thas the most positive reviews compared to the others. What do you guys think?
 
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