matchboxpaul
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Hiya Mathew.
I noticed the Hoover iron too
Made me chortle a bit.
Paul
I noticed the Hoover iron too
Made me chortle a bit.
Paul
Hotpoint UK circa 1963 brochure & other pics
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supermaticjames
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Powder Clutch...
The 1420 definately does have a clutch snuck in there somewhere. Engineers say it was quite an unreliable piece of kit. Instead of shoes there were carbon granules housed in disc shape and since the spin tub and bellows was prone to leaking the water seeped in and solidified the granules rendering it useless. I do believe our most cherished and wanted machines are out there but we just have to be patient and go hunting. Folk over here do like to hide stuff in sheds.
James.
The 1420 definately does have a clutch snuck in there somewhere. Engineers say it was quite an unreliable piece of kit. Instead of shoes there were carbon granules housed in disc shape and since the spin tub and bellows was prone to leaking the water seeped in and solidified the granules rendering it useless. I do believe our most cherished and wanted machines are out there but we just have to be patient and go hunting. Folk over here do like to hide stuff in sheds.
James.
English Electric 4151
Just been discussing this with Paul and I knew there was a photo somewhere, I first saw this machine when I was 8 in 1969, I was with my nan visiting her friend, who was MIL of Nans eldest daughter, (my Aunty Margaret - Hoovermatic 3309, Keymatic 3243)this model was under the stairs next to a small kitchen, I looked inside and saw the vivid RED Agi & Brush Filter, the turquoise steel lids where gleaming!!
Question for Ozzie - What colour was the Brush Filter in your machine?? because the one I saw matched the agi - RED
Just been discussing this with Paul and I knew there was a photo somewhere, I first saw this machine when I was 8 in 1969, I was with my nan visiting her friend, who was MIL of Nans eldest daughter, (my Aunty Margaret - Hoovermatic 3309, Keymatic 3243)this model was under the stairs next to a small kitchen, I looked inside and saw the vivid RED Agi & Brush Filter, the turquoise steel lids where gleaming!!
Question for Ozzie - What colour was the Brush Filter in your machine?? because the one I saw matched the agi - RED
Ahh Mike now your asking...!
I am sure it was white at least what was left of it was as it had hardly and bristles left when I got to see it.
Austin
I am sure it was white at least what was left of it was as it had hardly and bristles left when I got to see it.
Austin
...With regards to the English Electric 4151, this was not the first Liberator twin, it was first produced in about 65' this model had a square wash tub, very similar to the 1420 that was on sale at the time.
Thinking about it, the two machines were vertually identical, however the EE used the valve box as the brush filter entry as there was no filter clean tray.
I will dig out a picture when i get home.
English machines are just the best, with such great styling !! Thanks for the link Paul.
Cheers
Keith
Thinking about it, the two machines were vertually identical, however the EE used the valve box as the brush filter entry as there was no filter clean tray.
I will dig out a picture when i get home.
English machines are just the best, with such great styling !! Thanks for the link Paul.
Cheers
Keith
matchboxpaul
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Hi keith.
Thanks again for the 1502 advert - made my evening seeing that!
Re the 4151 EE Liberator Twin:
any info gratefully received. I had never heard of the alternative fluff collection set up and had never noticed the apparatus on the picture before (the one that Mike posted).
Chin wagging with Mike last night, we threw up the possibility that the 4151 was possibly a spare parts box machine, employing old style components that would have been intended for 1420's?
Interesting stuff! Will try and dig out the exploded diagrams tonight and get some photos of them.
Paul
p.s do reitterate every now and then to your friend that, were his mums 1420 ever come up for disposal, that you would be interested in it! Be a disaster were it to be deliered to the council.
Thanks again for the 1502 advert - made my evening seeing that!
Re the 4151 EE Liberator Twin:
any info gratefully received. I had never heard of the alternative fluff collection set up and had never noticed the apparatus on the picture before (the one that Mike posted).
Chin wagging with Mike last night, we threw up the possibility that the 4151 was possibly a spare parts box machine, employing old style components that would have been intended for 1420's?
Interesting stuff! Will try and dig out the exploded diagrams tonight and get some photos of them.
Paul
p.s do reitterate every now and then to your friend that, were his mums 1420 ever come up for disposal, that you would be interested in it! Be a disaster were it to be deliered to the council.
Hotpoint 1502
Brochure - this was the first Hotpoint TL with the smaller inset door
Brochure - this was the first Hotpoint TL with the smaller inset door
Hotpoint
Had its own Industrial Design Team which was headed up in the 60`s by Oliver Hill, this benefitted the company enormously as they didnt have to hire in key figures like others companys did......Own Grown Success.....Always the best!!!
Had its own Industrial Design Team which was headed up in the 60`s by Oliver Hill, this benefitted the company enormously as they didnt have to hire in key figures like others companys did......Own Grown Success.....Always the best!!!
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liberator1509
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Hi again all!
Loving this thread - and all those pics of the 1502 especially (thanks Mike and Keith) - brings me back!
Keith - do you know what form the EE twin tub took before the AEI/EE/GEC merger in 1968 - presumably EE weren't outsourcing it to Hotpoint?
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Loving this thread - and all those pics of the 1502 especially (thanks Mike and Keith) - brings me back!
Keith - do you know what form the EE twin tub took before the AEI/EE/GEC merger in 1968 - presumably EE weren't outsourcing it to Hotpoint?
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aquarius8000
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thank you all for your support guys,
I find this info realy useful. super those were and where do you guys get all this super knowlige from?
I find this info realy useful. super those were and where do you guys get all this super knowlige from?
optima
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Loving it.
Excellent post. Totally fascinating pics & information.
Excellent post. Totally fascinating pics & information.
"where do you guys get all this super knowlige from? 
From mainly taking an active interest in reading brochures/manuals, actually using/repairing machines and then coming here and having discussions like this thread, and keeping in touch with other local collectors restorers etc....also tapping into your local repair stores and engineers which are fast becoming obsolete...
Always feel free and dont be intimidated about asking questions etc...I`ve found out lots of new information from this thread as well, its the way we all learn!!!
From mainly taking an active interest in reading brochures/manuals, actually using/repairing machines and then coming here and having discussions like this thread, and keeping in touch with other local collectors restorers etc....also tapping into your local repair stores and engineers which are fast becoming obsolete...
Always feel free and dont be intimidated about asking questions etc...I`ve found out lots of new information from this thread as well, its the way we all learn!!!
aquarius8000
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I strongly agree
have learnt so much about my candy aquamatic 3 here and I again thank you for yout support.
RE the washers
cant guarantee anything about scanning but see if this works,A scan of the panel page.
have learnt so much about my candy aquamatic 3 here and I again thank you for yout support.
RE the washers
cant guarantee anything about scanning but see if this works,A scan of the panel page.
Hi Paul, David & all,
Paul I am starting to think that your theroy maybe right about the "Spare parts box machine"..I maybe wrong but it is becoming very apparent that most of English Electric twin tubs were mop up machines for Hotpoint.
It would have been very easy for EE to run off different control panels, lids and the odd quirky thing like the red agitator on the 4151. The elements are basically the same though. The below picture is of the first EE Liberator Twin Tub, and dates from February 1966. Yes, the control panel text is different, and the lids are different to the 1420, but the machine is basically the same.
Mike, that double spread of the 1502 in the Hotpoint brochure is fab !!
The thread is really good and enjoying it, keep it up.
Keith
Paul I am starting to think that your theroy maybe right about the "Spare parts box machine"..I maybe wrong but it is becoming very apparent that most of English Electric twin tubs were mop up machines for Hotpoint.
It would have been very easy for EE to run off different control panels, lids and the odd quirky thing like the red agitator on the 4151. The elements are basically the same though. The below picture is of the first EE Liberator Twin Tub, and dates from February 1966. Yes, the control panel text is different, and the lids are different to the 1420, but the machine is basically the same.
Mike, that double spread of the 1502 in the Hotpoint brochure is fab !!
The thread is really good and enjoying it, keep it up.
Keith
matchboxpaul
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Hi Keith.
Thanks for the Liberator Twin advert! I had forgotten that they did do the earlier version and it is still very reminiscent of the fabled 1420.
I wnet and had a look at the pics of English Electric twin tubs that I had accumulated and found a picture of the above machine, with the filter thingymejig in view.
Again, I had never noticed it before - dont know from where I got the picture from, so cant thank its original owner...
Thanks for the Liberator Twin advert! I had forgotten that they did do the earlier version and it is still very reminiscent of the fabled 1420.
I wnet and had a look at the pics of English Electric twin tubs that I had accumulated and found a picture of the above machine, with the filter thingymejig in view.
Again, I had never noticed it before - dont know from where I got the picture from, so cant thank its original owner...
matchboxpaul
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More from KAYS...
The 1450 Supermatic, along with the 1502 again, but with some blurb...
The 1450 Supermatic, along with the 1502 again, but with some blurb...
matchboxpaul
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and less automated...
model 1200 Countess
model 10?? pump spinner
&
model 1006 gravity spinner...
model 1200 Countess
model 10?? pump spinner
&
model 1006 gravity spinner...
So
The above machine wash the 2nd English Electric twintub, the first being the TwinStar??
and we now see the Hotpoint style agi in the above machine and in Kevins machine we see the new RED agi which to my eyes looks plastic with flared vanes that obtrude over the baseplate and that almost look like the Vari-Flex US models??
Fascinating!!
The above machine wash the 2nd English Electric twintub, the first being the TwinStar??
and we now see the Hotpoint style agi in the above machine and in Kevins machine we see the new RED agi which to my eyes looks plastic with flared vanes that obtrude over the baseplate and that almost look like the Vari-Flex US models??
Fascinating!!
keymatic3203
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James
you are obviously correct about the 1420 haveing a clutch, My thoughts were from obsevations of the sectional view, being as the 1400 didn't have a clutch, I don't really see why they needed one, the 1400s motor has more than enough power to cope with the start up loads. I'd always assumed and probably wrongly that the powder clutch was part of a belt drive as in the subsequent models, prior to the centrifugal clutch of the 1450 onwards.
My only other thought and it's only a thought as I'm typing was it more to do with braking rather than torque transmision, as with no interlock back then it would have had to stop the drum from 2850 to rest in was it 10 seconds back then. I would enjoy seeing some exploded views or parts diagrams to fully get this component worked out in my mind.
Great thread, I'm enjoying all this fabulous litrature and advertising. It's enough to make me fancy sorting out my electra (hotpoint) twin tub, just there several Hoovers to be restored first (cue the comments lol).
all the best
Mathew
you are obviously correct about the 1420 haveing a clutch, My thoughts were from obsevations of the sectional view, being as the 1400 didn't have a clutch, I don't really see why they needed one, the 1400s motor has more than enough power to cope with the start up loads. I'd always assumed and probably wrongly that the powder clutch was part of a belt drive as in the subsequent models, prior to the centrifugal clutch of the 1450 onwards.
My only other thought and it's only a thought as I'm typing was it more to do with braking rather than torque transmision, as with no interlock back then it would have had to stop the drum from 2850 to rest in was it 10 seconds back then. I would enjoy seeing some exploded views or parts diagrams to fully get this component worked out in my mind.
Great thread, I'm enjoying all this fabulous litrature and advertising. It's enough to make me fancy sorting out my electra (hotpoint) twin tub, just there several Hoovers to be restored first (cue the comments lol).
all the best
Mathew
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