Hotpoint UK circa 1963 brochure & other pics

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Powder Clutch...

The 1420 definately does have a clutch snuck in there somewhere. Engineers say it was quite an unreliable piece of kit. Instead of shoes there were carbon granules housed in disc shape and since the spin tub and bellows was prone to leaking the water seeped in and solidified the granules rendering it useless. I do believe our most cherished and wanted machines are out there but we just have to be patient and go hunting. Folk over here do like to hide stuff in sheds.

James.
 
English Electric 4151

Just been discussing this with Paul and I knew there was a photo somewhere, I first saw this machine when I was 8 in 1969, I was with my nan visiting her friend, who was MIL of Nans eldest daughter, (my Aunty Margaret - Hoovermatic 3309, Keymatic 3243)this model was under the stairs next to a small kitchen, I looked inside and saw the vivid RED Agi & Brush Filter, the turquoise steel lids where gleaming!!

Question for Ozzie - What colour was the Brush Filter in your machine?? because the one I saw matched the agi - RED

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Ahh Mike now your asking...!

I am sure it was white at least what was left of it was as it had hardly and bristles left when I got to see it.

Austin
 
...With regards to the English Electric 4151, this was not the first Liberator twin, it was first produced in about 65' this model had a square wash tub, very similar to the 1420 that was on sale at the time.
Thinking about it, the two machines were vertually identical, however the EE used the valve box as the brush filter entry as there was no filter clean tray.
I will dig out a picture when i get home.
English machines are just the best, with such great styling !! Thanks for the link Paul.
Cheers
Keith
 
Hi keith.

Thanks again for the 1502 advert - made my evening seeing that!

Re the 4151 EE Liberator Twin:
any info gratefully received. I had never heard of the alternative fluff collection set up and had never noticed the apparatus on the picture before (the one that Mike posted).

Chin wagging with Mike last night, we threw up the possibility that the 4151 was possibly a spare parts box machine, employing old style components that would have been intended for 1420's?

Interesting stuff! Will try and dig out the exploded diagrams tonight and get some photos of them.

Paul
p.s do reitterate every now and then to your friend that, were his mums 1420 ever come up for disposal, that you would be interested in it! Be a disaster were it to be deliered to the council.
 
Hi again all!

Loving this thread - and all those pics of the 1502 especially (thanks Mike and Keith) - brings me back!

Keith - do you know what form the EE twin tub took before the AEI/EE/GEC merger in 1968 - presumably EE weren't outsourcing it to Hotpoint?

D :-)
 
thank you all for your support guys,

I find this info realy useful. super those were and where do you guys get all this super knowlige from?
 
"where do you guys get all this super knowlige from? &#3

From mainly taking an active interest in reading brochures/manuals, actually using/repairing machines and then coming here and having discussions like this thread, and keeping in touch with other local collectors restorers etc....also tapping into your local repair stores and engineers which are fast becoming obsolete...

Always feel free and dont be intimidated about asking questions etc...I`ve found out lots of new information from this thread as well, its the way we all learn!!!

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I strongly agree

have learnt so much about my candy aquamatic 3 here and I again thank you for yout support.

RE the washers
cant guarantee anything about scanning but see if this works,A scan of the panel page.
 
Hi Paul, David & all,

Paul I am starting to think that your theroy maybe right about the "Spare parts box machine"..I maybe wrong but it is becoming very apparent that most of English Electric twin tubs were mop up machines for Hotpoint.

It would have been very easy for EE to run off different control panels, lids and the odd quirky thing like the red agitator on the 4151. The elements are basically the same though. The below picture is of the first EE Liberator Twin Tub, and dates from February 1966. Yes, the control panel text is different, and the lids are different to the 1420, but the machine is basically the same.

Mike, that double spread of the 1502 in the Hotpoint brochure is fab !!

The thread is really good and enjoying it, keep it up.
Keith

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Hi Keith.

Thanks for the Liberator Twin advert! I had forgotten that they did do the earlier version and it is still very reminiscent of the fabled 1420.

I wnet and had a look at the pics of English Electric twin tubs that I had accumulated and found a picture of the above machine, with the filter thingymejig in view.
Again, I had never noticed it before - dont know from where I got the picture from, so cant thank its original owner...

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So

The above machine wash the 2nd English Electric twintub, the first being the TwinStar??

and we now see the Hotpoint style agi in the above machine and in Kevins machine we see the new RED agi which to my eyes looks plastic with flared vanes that obtrude over the baseplate and that almost look like the Vari-Flex US models??

Fascinating!!
 
James

you are obviously correct about the 1420 haveing a clutch, My thoughts were from obsevations of the sectional view, being as the 1400 didn't have a clutch, I don't really see why they needed one, the 1400s motor has more than enough power to cope with the start up loads. I'd always assumed and probably wrongly that the powder clutch was part of a belt drive as in the subsequent models, prior to the centrifugal clutch of the 1450 onwards.

My only other thought and it's only a thought as I'm typing was it more to do with braking rather than torque transmision, as with no interlock back then it would have had to stop the drum from 2850 to rest in was it 10 seconds back then. I would enjoy seeing some exploded views or parts diagrams to fully get this component worked out in my mind.

Great thread, I'm enjoying all this fabulous litrature and advertising. It's enough to make me fancy sorting out my electra (hotpoint) twin tub, just there several Hoovers to be restored first (cue the comments lol).

all the best

Mathew
 
Pre 1968 Hotpoint-English Electric

Hi all - how great that this thread is still going strong - just like a Hotpoint (duck and cover...)

Keith - thanks for the info on the 1966 Liberator Twin - that is really interesting, as it pre-dates both the GEC-AEI and the GEC English Electric mergers (1967 and 1968 respectively), so EE must have 'sub-contracting' to AEI-Hotpoint. There had been an attempt by EE to acquire AEI a year or two before this, so I wonder if this was an attempt at a courtship?

I rather doubt the Liberator Twin was a use-up-the-parts-bin job, rather a case of deliberate badge engineering - a portent of the future indeed and allowing both companies to profit from one design. Hotpoint of course continued to do this for years after, especially in the New Generation era, when Electra, English Electric, Gala and Creda re-badges appeared.

Keith - to you have any ideas what the Twin-star was like - I wonder if this was the same as the elusive Hotpoint Twin-Six? Maybe even the Twin-six was a reciprocal rebadge arrangement. It is a machine i know nothing about apart from a brochure shot on here ages ago.

D

PS - Mathew - good to hear from you too (and in a Hotpoint story no less...goodness...). I'm over on a flying visit next week and will be in Bristol if you're about. Have plans for the 1509 too
 
Hi All,

Paul, The Liberator Twin as per your picture is nearly neat, and luv the styling, not sure how effective the brush filter would have been against the filter clean tray ? Thanks for the picture & the mail order pics. Paul, I know it's cheeky, but could you send me a copy of that pic of the 1420 with the red background? Cheers muchly !!

David, The EE Twin-star was a pulsator twin tub, I have a nice pamphlet introducing it, i will dig it out and take a pic. It had a weird shaped wash tub. English Electric had a variation of twin tubs, I think from memory they produced one called the "Challenge" when i am back at home on sunday i will have a dig around, and see what i can find.

Great thread, best in a long time.
K
 
twin star

Now I know this as I've seen parts diagrams, the Twin star was essentially the rolls rapide but with a different wash tub design. The spinner was the same as the rolls, the wash tub was square with a slopeing base, a bit like the hoover tub but not the same proportions, the slopeing part facing you as you face the machine. The pulsator was like the hoover but with four fins, it was mounted on the angled base, powered via a belt drive by a similar motor as the spin dryer, ie brush motor. So you can imagine how vigerous this wash action was, the pulsator would be going something like 1000 rpm, similar speed as the spinner from what I've been told by my parts wholesaler, who repaired rolls machines back in the day, apparantly the spin was not as fast as the major brands.

Does anyone else know of a twin or single tub washer using a brush motor for the wash action?

Hope this is interesting and would be great to see your information Keith,

Thanks Mathew
 
Hi Mike,

Is that the Twin Star Englsih Electric washer ? The model I was thinking of was more along the lines of what Matthew was saying in the sense that the wash tub had a tub similar to that of the Hoovermatic's and the impellar is set off centre. I think the model i am on about dates maybe from the late 60's..I will dig out the brochure though and take pic's..it has a nice opening line on the front of it "....The Stars Fortell big things for the New Twin Star" or something like that..lol
I will have to have a look under the Flately, I think it will be very similar, if not the same.
David: The elusive Twin-Six was something else, I was fortunate to own one, but it needed so much doing to it, i decided to scrap it.
Cheers
Keith
 
Well then there is another one too

Yes folks, there is another version of the EE as well. I dont have pictures to hand her (in office) but there is one mentioned in a Which report (1965 perhaps) with a completly different control panel, although I believe it to be of Tallent (formerly Rolls and later Colston) origin also as the one above is. I will check out when I am home as there are pictures of both the machine and the control panel. Who would have thought there were so many versions?

Al
 
Vactric

Mike

I am curious about the Vactric. Is this the one with the green ridged tub? Actually no, it could not have been as that had an agitator. Unless of course they had two model lines - but I have only ever seen references to the one with the ridged tub. As Vactric went out of business very early in 1960 I would doubt it would have been of Rolls manufacture, unless it came from Holland as I believe the earliest Rolls machines did - the Rolls machines were based on a Dutch design.

Al
 

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