IFA 2019

[henene4]

Don't think we started that disgussion yet...

BSH is finally adding a recirc to some machines and has a new full graphic display on the way.

From Miele so far I only found manuals with 40-60Eco cycle which is new.

AEG ELux is bringing a new DW interface which is basicly a spin on the time manager system: You have an Auto cycle, 4 timed cycles plus 2 options.

 

[thomasortega]

Come on guys... I'm also curious!

 

[henene4]

So my findings

AEG:



For BSH I only have the German press release sadly:
https://www.bosch-home.com/de/pressecenter/pressrelease-14144#main-content

They also updated their PerfectBake sensor to offer predicted times of finish:
https://www.bosch-home.com/de/pressecenter/pressrelease-13952#main-content

For Miele I just have this manual (model WCG660 and WCG670):
https://www.miele.de/forms2/de/sa/manuals-125.aspx?mNo=11285700&asDownload=1
There are several WCG models with even less info listed...

 

[foraloysius]

Thanks for sharing this. AEG is getting less and less desirable to me. I guess I would be using the ExtraPower setting all the time.

Interesting that Bosch changed the self cleaning lint filters on the dryers. I guess it is more environmentally friendly to collect the lint rather than flushing it.

And what happened to those wonderful Miele manuals?

 

[washerguy02]

I quite like the new Bosch range from 2019. It's nice they've added recirculation jets just like others on the market. I wonder how differently they'll be in operation compared to previous models and what the water levels will be like. Maybe they'll be low.

I also agree with foraloysius about AEG. AEG imo have gone downhil. I dont like their new models.

Janak

P.S I haven't posted in a while

 

[henene4]

Miele manuals

That's the short user guide. There isn't a full manual for that model yet.

I finde these new models by doing general searches for machine terms used in their machine designations and cross refference those to what is on the site. If something has all 4 manuals it's either launched or close to launch.

The further out models only have their warranty terms, the confirmaty declarations ready.
Then they add the short user manual and then the full manual last.

On the AEG thing:

I actually am and was always was a huge fan of the AEG brand tbh.

They always had what I wanted in washers, and their DWs were always different.

The new user-interface is something I would need getting used to.
Most wouldn't notice the Dry icon and complain that the shortest cycles leave dishes wet.

But since I run upwards of 80% of loads on unmodified Auto cycle I perefctly happy if they kept their pretty good Auto cycle.

They modified their cuttlery tray on some models to prevent their issue of wet spots on cuttlery, but haven't seen a review on that yet...

BSH are adding their first true 1h wash with their I think it's called "PowerSpedd 59" cycle.
And I would be perfectly happy with a really low water level wash if the recirc is used well.

 

[logixx]

AEG presented that interface last year, I think, but never implemented it on their dishwashers.

LG also have a new front loader with Turbo Wash 360, variable spray pressure on load sensing (on some cycles) that can "feel" the load.

https://www.lg.com/uk/washing-machines/lg-F4V910WTS

 

[l86810]

Thanks for opening the tread Henrik! I enjoy reading all the updates which come through this time of year.

I've attached a link to the user manual of one of the new Bosch models... although not an awful lot of data in there.

What I thought was interesting was when I translated the press release, under the '4D Wash System' it said ... "Here, water is sprayed specifically into the "wash tunnel", a kind of cavity that form the textiles due to the rotation in the drum."

To me this sounds like the drum will distribute or even spin, while spraying the load... so maybe a kind of take on Miele's PowerWash 2.0? It was also explain why they have suddenly removed the 'Eco Perfect' option from the models with the 4D wash, and kept only 'Speed Perfect'?

What do you guys think?

https://www.bosch-home.co.uk/supportdetail/product/WAX32EH0EU/01#/Tabs=section-manuals/

 

[logixx]

Miele

Here's Miele's press kit.

https://www.miele.de/en/m/press-rel...&year=2019&sub-e1=&sub-e2=&sub-e3=e52&sub-e4=

 

[tolivac]

Oh My-just another bagless stick vacuum-when is this bagless stick vacuum madness going to END???Really---just another cordless crumb and doormat vacuum.Meile should be better than that.

 

[logixx]

I just on my back from IFA. I like the Miele vac - a little heavy, though. All in all, the cordless market is growing really fast, the Samsung rep told me. I tend to believe him; people are drawn to these cordless vacuums.

 

[henene4]

Haier 1-1 reversing

Ok, so, I never liked Haiers machines, but I just watched nrones IFA video for Haier, and oh my god, they offer dryers with seperate motor for drum and fan.

 

[mielerod69]

New Miele T1 heat pump dryers

That's why I've kept my Miele T8627 WP heat pump dryer as it was the last with 2 motors. They used to market it as TwinPower. I gave the T1 to my parents as I didn't like how it dried bedding. I know they now have a bed linen program on the new ones, but not sure how it works?

 

[henene4]

Bed linen cycle

Here's a video on the cycle:

 

[thomasortega]

@tolivac

"Oh My-just another bagless stick vacuum-when is this bagless stick vacuum madness going to END???Really---just another cordless crumb and doormat vacuum.Meile should be better than that."

Well, I never liked the Dysons but a few weeks ago I used one at a friend's house (he's that new member that got the Turquise Maytags) and I was quite impressed.

His model isn't the TOL. Maybe it's a V7 or V8.

Then i realized, those vacs are not exactly a "doormat vac". You can't, of course, vacuum the whole house at once, but with the convenience of being cordless, one can easily vacuum more constantly smaller areas instead of the chore of having to vacuum the whole house at once and vacuuming more frequently also means less dirt to be vacuumed.

Of course, I'm also not considering a carpeted house, but one with hard floors.

I can say it's the first time I looked at those Dysons with different eyes, specially the newer models that have a bigger dust cup and much better capacity batteries.

 

[freshnclean]

Any interesting washers ?

Are there any washers that’s eye catching?? Or features ?
How are the asko washers this year?
What about the new little giants ?

 

[henene4]

Working in retail store service department

The Dyson cordless machines are pretty decent overall and with the V11 now offering something like 40min on their new Auto setting with a cleaner head attached, they are getting closer to actually being abled to be a corded replacement.

Carpet deep cleaning is actually pretty decent, Vacuum Wars is a good channel for resources for that:



Only thing: Get an extended warranty that covers the battery. If you actually use it as a main vacuum your battery (and most likely some other parts) will never last 5 years, sometimes you don't even get 2 or 3 years.
And if you think it's not worth it: Dysons battery service is something like 150€ or so IIRC.

On washers: Nothing really interesting IMO...
Asko just overhauled last year, so nothing new there...

 

[tolivac]

At what these stick vacs cost---you can just buy a REAL vacuum with an easy to change Filtrete BAG!So much BETTER and easier!Stick vacuums were usually LOW priced-and used for crumbs and spilled cereial on the kitchen floor or vacuuming doormats.And yes you could use them for small spills or messes.

 

[rolls_rapide]

Haier machines

I agree with Henene4, I think the Haier machines actually do 'look the part' this time around. Better than the styling of the Hoover and Candy machines.

A link to Nrones video:

 

[nick]

IFA topics

The reason cordless stick vacs have suddenly exploded in popularity in Europe is regulatory...all the mains powered vacuums now have an energy label on display in the shops (cordless battery ones don't have to), and the regulation is strict, with the brands not able to use a motor over 900W anymore. Energy, carpet cleaning, hard floor cleaning, filtration % efficiency and noise are all formally declared on this label for a mains powered product, and energy maximum legal thresholds are painful - causing a balancing act, and floor heads that grip the floor like their lives depend on it.

This energy label is not flattering...meanwhile the Lithium battery tech has gotten a lot better (and cheaper) so these cordless beasts are within spitting distance of mains powered performance (for 7~8 minutes anyway), and they are not forced in the shops to display a tag that reveals to the consumer their weakness (the brands for the mains powered machines can choose a graded label that, in effect, says either "I am inefficient", "I am noisy" or "I am pathetic at doing the job"). Hence Cylinders and Uprights are crashing, and this unregulated battery product is really popular...and robot cleaners are also growing fast at the same time.

Did anyone get good details in Berlin for Siemens/Bosch laundry quick wash stories and the wash capacity it relates to? I am struggling, may need to speak to their European office.

I am finding a lot of confusion around claims made that the 59 minute cycle is A grade wash performance at maximum capacity (9~10KG) which was the story at the show (this is important as a much needed and long overdue answer to Samsung Q-Drive with the split drum). The manuals and backup files seem to indicate these quick claims are actually 5KG (which is not as good as Samsung) but it is crazy confusing between documents/human reports.

This wash tunnel and 4D wash system story involves:
Accelerated 200 RPM rotation during normal wash phase for extra mechanical action - hence how it creates the "tunnel"
More water with heating, thus more energy use
The spray nozzles from above that speed up detergent dissolution and increase soaking etc
The recirculation pump

4D is applied to speed/quick to boost performance in a limited time, 4D is applied to Intensive, adding extra 30 minutes (approx....its guided by turbidity) to boost end result.

I am finishing up a monster IFA review for a client...if you have questions about what was at the show, fire away...I have a laundry/dish and smart home focus, looking at appliances, detergents and 3rd party implications, my background is product management, R&D and strategy...I am fairly fluent in marketing and can speak a little engineer...