Late Hanukkah present, Speed Queen Solid Tub
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Just thinking about it.....
I actually have old Speed Queen / Kleenmaid marketing videos here in Australia where they show the differences of agitation arcs between the machines on sale at the time, including a slow motion of the SQ/Kleenmaid and a Simpson which had a 180 degree arc.
In the new year, i'll see about getting these transferred to DVD and onto Youtube, that way everyone can see the differences.
Cheers
Leon
I actually have old Speed Queen / Kleenmaid marketing videos here in Australia where they show the differences of agitation arcs between the machines on sale at the time, including a slow motion of the SQ/Kleenmaid and a Simpson which had a 180 degree arc.
In the new year, i'll see about getting these transferred to DVD and onto Youtube, that way everyone can see the differences.
Cheers
Leon
Interesting
Virtually ALL of the SQ advertising literature (and I have TONS) from "back in the day" which mentions the transmission advertises the stroke as being 210 degrees. In fact, during the later years, it was referred to the acr-q-matic 210 transmission.
See the verbiage in the ad I attached to this post
I'm not "assuming" that it even comes close to 210, just quoting SQ advertising.
Virtually ALL of the SQ advertising literature (and I have TONS) from "back in the day" which mentions the transmission advertises the stroke as being 210 degrees. In fact, during the later years, it was referred to the acr-q-matic 210 transmission.
See the verbiage in the ad I attached to this post
I'm not "assuming" that it even comes close to 210, just quoting SQ advertising.
our own DanMan did a video of the new machine for us, with an ingenious idea of dots placed accordingly, as for these trannies, its seems more like 180, granted it is moving fast.....
I may try this out on one of my solidtubs, just to see...
I may try this out on one of my solidtubs, just to see...
I forgot about that vid!
Upon further examination even without my ana-cana-putican device
, it sure does not look like 210 degrees, more like a 180-190!
Yikes!
And all along I was convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt it was 210 degrees!
Shame on me for not looking harder into this. I hang my head in sorrowful remorse.
Upon further examination even without my ana-cana-putican device
, it sure does not look like 210 degrees, more like a 180-190!Yikes!
And all along I was convinced beyond the shadow of a doubt it was 210 degrees!
Shame on me for not looking harder into this. I hang my head in sorrowful remorse.
Vids
Once i get the vids uploaded, i'll show you how they did it.
The only way it seems it can be shown is to slow down the video and overlaying it with graphics showing the agitation arc: which is what Kleenmaid did to provide their stated claim of 210 degrees.
They also show a Simpson at the time with its 180 degree action and the differences between the two.
Cheers
Leon
Once i get the vids uploaded, i'll show you how they did it.
The only way it seems it can be shown is to slow down the video and overlaying it with graphics showing the agitation arc: which is what Kleenmaid did to provide their stated claim of 210 degrees.
They also show a Simpson at the time with its 180 degree action and the differences between the two.
Cheers
Leon
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Nice!
Gotta love those BOL machines. Congratulations and enjoy! Happy holidays!
Gotta love those BOL machines. Congratulations and enjoy! Happy holidays!
Installed and running in a snow storm
So I am trapped home alone with my "new" SQ ST, you guys are gonna get LOTS of pics and info tonight, lol. Sorry.
History--It was in the house when they bought in August, used for a week but they had a recent matched set from their old house and decided to sell this, she said she worried it was innefficient. Oh well, maybe it is. Disconnected it on Labor Day weekend and it sat since. It has very new hoses and the pump looks pristine, I believe the previous homeowner got regular service on this. Pics shortly. By the way, they are also selling me this Soft HEat electric dryer, ran for a week in August but also disonnected on Labor Day.
Next post is back to the Speed Queen, and I am home alone trapped happily in a snowstorm, lots of posts tonight, sorry! Lol
So I am trapped home alone with my "new" SQ ST, you guys are gonna get LOTS of pics and info tonight, lol. Sorry.
History--It was in the house when they bought in August, used for a week but they had a recent matched set from their old house and decided to sell this, she said she worried it was innefficient. Oh well, maybe it is. Disconnected it on Labor Day weekend and it sat since. It has very new hoses and the pump looks pristine, I believe the previous homeowner got regular service on this. Pics shortly. By the way, they are also selling me this Soft HEat electric dryer, ran for a week in August but also disonnected on Labor Day.
Next post is back to the Speed Queen, and I am home alone trapped happily in a snowstorm, lots of posts tonight, sorry! Lol
new pics
Here it is washing the blanket I protected it in the car with. There's black tape across the agitator to give my eyes a chance to decide on 180 degrees, 210, etc, I'm saying a hair more than 180, like maybe 185 maximum. Oh well.I video'd a tiny bit, we'll see what I can upload.
Model #DA3780?, the label is bad, serial number impossible. I've seen reference to SQ A37 as a base model, I guess D might be color? or year or minor info?, the A37 is what counts.
It ran 4 loads already, wonderfully. Cameras can lie, the CL ad looked green in some shots, yellow in others, the machine is a bad gold. I couldn't care less in my basement, and while it has some scratches and minor rust on one side, it will not need a major paintjob. That's one thing I like white appliances for, easy repainting.
Here it is washing the blanket I protected it in the car with. There's black tape across the agitator to give my eyes a chance to decide on 180 degrees, 210, etc, I'm saying a hair more than 180, like maybe 185 maximum. Oh well.I video'd a tiny bit, we'll see what I can upload.
Model #DA3780?, the label is bad, serial number impossible. I've seen reference to SQ A37 as a base model, I guess D might be color? or year or minor info?, the A37 is what counts.
It ran 4 loads already, wonderfully. Cameras can lie, the CL ad looked green in some shots, yellow in others, the machine is a bad gold. I couldn't care less in my basement, and while it has some scratches and minor rust on one side, it will not need a major paintjob. That's one thing I like white appliances for, easy repainting.
recent new parts
I think the water valve and hoses are very very new, looks like someone serviced this recently. My photos suck, the valve is spotless and shiny. Minor surface rust inside the console.
I think the water valve and hoses are very very new, looks like someone serviced this recently. My photos suck, the valve is spotless and shiny. Minor surface rust inside the console.
timer
There's a huge M on the timer, and the diagram lists both Mallory and Kingston, does that mean Mallory timer?
You're looking at 99% of the electric items right here. 3 position temp switch, no water level switch since it's time fill, one speed motor, etc. Wires going into the cabinet are for the lid switch and the motor, nothing else at all. No dispensers, I can't locate an out-of-balance switch, etc. Electrically simple.
To the left is the water fill flume, aerator. The hose clamp is shiny.
There's a huge M on the timer, and the diagram lists both Mallory and Kingston, does that mean Mallory timer?
You're looking at 99% of the electric items right here. 3 position temp switch, no water level switch since it's time fill, one speed motor, etc. Wires going into the cabinet are for the lid switch and the motor, nothing else at all. No dispensers, I can't locate an out-of-balance switch, etc. Electrically simple.
To the left is the water fill flume, aerator. The hose clamp is shiny.
Ok I am mystified now
SQ has, since the 30's up to and including today, advertised their transmissions as having a 210 degree stroke. According to your post and vid by Danmantn, that is not the case.
So what the hell gives here?
Why am I being shorted a full 30 degrees of washing stroke?
Didn't anyone in engineering at SQ notice over the last 80 years or so that, hey, guess what fellas, we really don't have a 210 degree stroke here. More like 180!
I can understand, perhaps early on, due to lack of technology a batch or so going out a few strokes short of 210 but for 8 decades? Come on!
So maybe, just maybe, SQ needs to do a 180 and come clean (no pun intended) and then do a full 360 and bring back the Arc-u-Cuate with fluid drive and then I will be happy!
First thing tomorrow, I have a load to wash. I am putting black tape on there just to see for myself.
Come hell or high water, I will get to the bottom of this.
SQ has some fessing up to do.
SQ has, since the 30's up to and including today, advertised their transmissions as having a 210 degree stroke. According to your post and vid by Danmantn, that is not the case.
So what the hell gives here?
Why am I being shorted a full 30 degrees of washing stroke?
Didn't anyone in engineering at SQ notice over the last 80 years or so that, hey, guess what fellas, we really don't have a 210 degree stroke here. More like 180!
I can understand, perhaps early on, due to lack of technology a batch or so going out a few strokes short of 210 but for 8 decades? Come on!
So maybe, just maybe, SQ needs to do a 180 and come clean (no pun intended) and then do a full 360 and bring back the Arc-u-Cuate with fluid drive and then I will be happy!
First thing tomorrow, I have a load to wash. I am putting black tape on there just to see for myself.
Come hell or high water, I will get to the bottom of this.
SQ has some fessing up to do.
cycling
Anyone know the A37 era? I have a DA3510 manual from 1975, this seems almost exact.
REgualr cycle-----On hot and cold fill, large instead of "Extra Fill," it seems great, just a minor amount of overflow. Warm, with pressure from both lines, goes overboard. Turnover is great, I believe this is the very smallest tub SQ used in the 70's, it reminds me of my 1960 Whirlpool size.
Regular uses the WASH temp for the overflow at the end of agitation, is that ever fun as hell to watch! The pump is OLD style, I know it matches my SQ Wringer, but Holy Sh&T does it empty rapidly when the spin kicks in. Regular has no spin-spray, but always keeps overflow rinsing for aboutr one minute into the agi-rinse, then it simply agitates, then overflow kicks in again for about the last minute of agi-rinse. Yes, excess water usage but the result is CLEAN RINSED laundry.
Regular takes about 14 minutes of wash agitation, quite plenty, but you have to manually reset for less time. Tons to learn with this simple BOL solid tub and time-fill, lots of difference to perf and level switches for sure.
Picture----screen before the sediment tube? Should I toothbrush it clean?
Anyone know the A37 era? I have a DA3510 manual from 1975, this seems almost exact.
REgualr cycle-----On hot and cold fill, large instead of "Extra Fill," it seems great, just a minor amount of overflow. Warm, with pressure from both lines, goes overboard. Turnover is great, I believe this is the very smallest tub SQ used in the 70's, it reminds me of my 1960 Whirlpool size.
Regular uses the WASH temp for the overflow at the end of agitation, is that ever fun as hell to watch! The pump is OLD style, I know it matches my SQ Wringer, but Holy Sh&T does it empty rapidly when the spin kicks in. Regular has no spin-spray, but always keeps overflow rinsing for aboutr one minute into the agi-rinse, then it simply agitates, then overflow kicks in again for about the last minute of agi-rinse. Yes, excess water usage but the result is CLEAN RINSED laundry.
Regular takes about 14 minutes of wash agitation, quite plenty, but you have to manually reset for less time. Tons to learn with this simple BOL solid tub and time-fill, lots of difference to perf and level switches for sure.
Picture----screen before the sediment tube? Should I toothbrush it clean?
pump
Pump and belts all SHINY CLEAN! Tiny water spots on the bottom of the tub, no sign of leaks at all. It was a basement installation in a 1956 house, the underside has routine surface rust
Pump and belts all SHINY CLEAN! Tiny water spots on the bottom of the tub, no sign of leaks at all. It was a basement installation in a 1956 house, the underside has routine surface rust
more
KNITS/DURABLE PRESS CYCLE---about 22 minutes instead of 40, everything just quicker---AND-----
The wash overflow uses Rinse Temp instead of WASH temp, likely for perm press cool-down feature. Then as soon as spin starts, it does a minute spray, whereas NORMAL has no spray. Well, it pretty much goes down the the base of the agitator, not through the clothes, but then runs up the tub at the back of the laundry, WTF, it'll help cooldown. Overall, since it's just a one-speed, I think I'll mostly stick with regualr and often reset for less than 14 minutes.
Pic is the only rusty corner, it can wait a few weeks.
KNITS/DURABLE PRESS CYCLE---about 22 minutes instead of 40, everything just quicker---AND-----
The wash overflow uses Rinse Temp instead of WASH temp, likely for perm press cool-down feature. Then as soon as spin starts, it does a minute spray, whereas NORMAL has no spray. Well, it pretty much goes down the the base of the agitator, not through the clothes, but then runs up the tub at the back of the laundry, WTF, it'll help cooldown. Overall, since it's just a one-speed, I think I'll mostly stick with regualr and often reset for less than 14 minutes.
Pic is the only rusty corner, it can wait a few weeks.
frame
When I saw Parts Store Diagrams online of the cabinet, I was surprised that both front and back could be removed, wondered about cheap cabinet. Well, I was wrong for sure. Big brace across thefront, the top is screwed down instead of spring clips, because the lid is also the tub-top. She seems SOLID. The cabinet has more engineering than the simple timer and one switch. It's great that BOL still gives you a solid cabinet and such, you just lose options and speed control.
When I saw Parts Store Diagrams online of the cabinet, I was surprised that both front and back could be removed, wondered about cheap cabinet. Well, I was wrong for sure. Big brace across thefront, the top is screwed down instead of spring clips, because the lid is also the tub-top. She seems SOLID. The cabinet has more engineering than the simple timer and one switch. It's great that BOL still gives you a solid cabinet and such, you just lose options and speed control.
Hey washman
Keep me posted on your 210-180 investigation. Eyeball and unscientific tests tells me this machine does 183, maybe 183.02, lol. I also detect a tiny bit of indexing, very minor.
Keep me posted on your 210-180 investigation. Eyeball and unscientific tests tells me this machine does 183, maybe 183.02, lol. I also detect a tiny bit of indexing, very minor.
video
Here's my first ever YouTube video, showing barely more than 180 degrees. Black tape on the agitator helps your eyes. Video from a digital snapshot camera, not a video camera, sorry.
Having said all that, this machine does great turnover, is lots of fun, and great rinsing, NO COMPLAINTS AT ALL, happy to have it, a 70's Speed Queen solid Tub has been on my wish list over 3 years.
Here's my first ever YouTube video, showing barely more than 180 degrees. Black tape on the agitator helps your eyes. Video from a digital snapshot camera, not a video camera, sorry.
Having said all that, this machine does great turnover, is lots of fun, and great rinsing, NO COMPLAINTS AT ALL, happy to have it, a 70's Speed Queen solid Tub has been on my wish list over 3 years.
