miele w3033 from 120 to 240 volts
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I don't know how you would do that on the W3033. I own one and it's all built for american 120V - there is a stepup transformer inside it that converts the 120 to 240. Some of the components run off 120, some 240 inside this machine.
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Also note that the programming in the W3033 as shown in my video link only goes to 70C, and the W3033 only has 1 heater rated at 1060 Watts. I've also got the factory service manual and it does not have any information about conversion to 240V.
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miele w3033 from 120 to 240
Thanks for all the pictures and the info, what I know is that electronic parts get one line at 120 and one line from the transformet as a neutral. the only thing that work at 120 is the heater. Miele will sell to me the 2100 Watts 240 Volts heater but they will not do anything to help me change the voltage.
So at this point yes it is possible to do it. It will be faster to heat the water and I'm not obligated to keep the water heater "on" all the time I wash. Plus in some short programs that I need hot water (60° or 70°) the machine will reach it. In some cases the F20 after a wash will come out so.... and plus a wash cycle will be cheaper.
Thanks again for you info.
ps coud you please tell me what it means "rinse process" in the program list? I turn it on but I don't see the difference. Thanks
Thanks for all the pictures and the info, what I know is that electronic parts get one line at 120 and one line from the transformet as a neutral. the only thing that work at 120 is the heater. Miele will sell to me the 2100 Watts 240 Volts heater but they will not do anything to help me change the voltage.
So at this point yes it is possible to do it. It will be faster to heat the water and I'm not obligated to keep the water heater "on" all the time I wash. Plus in some short programs that I need hot water (60° or 70°) the machine will reach it. In some cases the F20 after a wash will come out so.... and plus a wash cycle will be cheaper.
Thanks again for you info.
ps coud you please tell me what it means "rinse process" in the program list? I turn it on but I don't see the difference. Thanks
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Another alternative, if you don't already have a W3033, is to get a Little Giant (PW6065). They are quite spendy ($4k US$ vs. $2K for the W3033) but they come already wired for 240v, can do a 95C boil wash and can be had in any color you want as long as it is stainless steel! With those you'd also maintain your warranty coverage running at 240v, unlike a conversion which would pretty much cause Miele to laugh and hang up the phone. And, in spite of the price differences, it wouldn't take too many blown components in a W3033 paid for out of pocket to close the gap between it and the Little Giant.
If only Miele would introduce the Octoplus in the US for land-bound (non-Marine) customers. Now that's a washer!
If only Miele would introduce the Octoplus in the US for land-bound (non-Marine) customers. Now that's a washer!
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Actually, minor correction - the Little Giant runs at 208v, not 240v oddly enough. But still boil-wash capable.
Miele will sell to me the 2100 Watts 240 Volts heater but they will not do anything to help me change the voltage.
Add a relay.
Control/energize the relay with the 120v normally applied to the heater.
Get your 240v for the heater from outside the machine.
Add a relay.
Control/energize the relay with the 120v normally applied to the heater.
Get your 240v for the heater from outside the machine.
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I know this is just an opinion, but I don't think of a Miele as being a brand of machine to hack on by adding relays etc. I paid $2,000 for mine so that would keep me from ever moding it, but I guess it depends on personal taste and how much a person paid for it.
I love mine though, I got it in Jan 2010 and I just passed 1000 hours on it. Zero problems. According to design specifications, I have another 19,000 hours left on the bearings before they may need replacing. They are rated for 20,000 hours.
Andrew
I love mine though, I got it in Jan 2010 and I just passed 1000 hours on it. Zero problems. According to design specifications, I have another 19,000 hours left on the bearings before they may need replacing. They are rated for 20,000 hours.Andrew
The machine that I have is 20 mons old with 1250 working hrs. I'm happy with that. The thing is that for a 1/2 or 3/4 full load the machine will not get at hot temp. on extra white program unless I add extended. The programs that this Miele manage are from the european models with 2100W heater. Only the custom program is helping me with hot temp. The program time stops until gets the temp. and then it go on.
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I dont' know where you are getting the information that the W3033 programming is from European models. No, it's not. The programming in the W3033 and W48XX were designed for the US market. Max temps only go to 158F regardless of your heater output and cycle times are decidedly non-European. Spending the time, money and effort in making a useless modification to your machine would appear to be a disaster waiting to happen.
If you want true European cycles, why didn't you just buy a true 220v Miele or an Asko? If upgrading your machine to 220v also added European cycle times, a true profile wash, and boil temps then it would be worth it. But what you are proposing will do none of these.
I dont' know where you are getting the information that the W3033 programming is from European models. No, it's not. The programming in the W3033 and W48XX were designed for the US market. Max temps only go to 158F regardless of your heater output and cycle times are decidedly non-European. Spending the time, money and effort in making a useless modification to your machine would appear to be a disaster waiting to happen.
If you want true European cycles, why didn't you just buy a true 220v Miele or an Asko? If upgrading your machine to 220v also added European cycle times, a true profile wash, and boil temps then it would be worth it. But what you are proposing will do none of these.
If you check the time on normal (cotton in EU), it will be the same that offers a w3000 series in EU. pillows, outwear, delicate,wool, etc are exacly like in EU machines (3000 series), extra white is made for US market. Sanitize is the same like in EU. If you are taking about w4842 programs like confoter the heat will not turn on because 1060w is not enough to heat a 8kg. wash.
Again, the only thing that I'm interested is to know how to change from 120 to 240 so it will not matter the program or the temp. the machine reach it plus it will be faster and cheaper.
Again, the only thing that I'm interested is to know how to change from 120 to 240 so it will not matter the program or the temp. the machine reach it plus it will be faster and cheaper.
Only thing that I'm interested is to know how to change
You do not know if it will result in any significant savings because you do not know the parameters of how the machine is programmed. For all you know Miele for reasons not disclosed to the public may control the heating portion of a cycle regardless of how much power is used.
You also do not know what the machine will do in response to heating water faster. It may proceed with the rest of the cycle as programmed, or it could speed-up the remainder of the cycles.
You do not know if it will result in any significant savings because you do not know the parameters of how the machine is programmed. For all you know Miele for reasons not disclosed to the public may control the heating portion of a cycle regardless of how much power is used.
You also do not know what the machine will do in response to heating water faster. It may proceed with the rest of the cycle as programmed, or it could speed-up the remainder of the cycles.
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@ italmex
Is the W3033 not cleaning to your satisfaction? My W4842 has no problem heating an 8kg load to158F. That's what it was designed to do and that's exactly what it does. A 1,000-watt heater is just fine to heat up to 160F-170F. In fact, Miele sells a 110v machine in Australia that heats to 200F. Maybe a cheaper alternative would be to figure out how to get that Australian firmware onto your machine to allow for higher temps without needing you to make all these modifications.
I still think a better, cheaper, and more effective alternative is to sell your Miele set and get an Asko 220v instead.
Is the W3033 not cleaning to your satisfaction? My W4842 has no problem heating an 8kg load to158F. That's what it was designed to do and that's exactly what it does. A 1,000-watt heater is just fine to heat up to 160F-170F. In fact, Miele sells a 110v machine in Australia that heats to 200F. Maybe a cheaper alternative would be to figure out how to get that Australian firmware onto your machine to allow for higher temps without needing you to make all these modifications.
I still think a better, cheaper, and more effective alternative is to sell your Miele set and get an Asko 220v instead.
Thanks. The miele you are taking about is in Canada and yes it gets up to 95°C. My point is that the machine gets the temp. faster so it will be cheaper at 240v. What probably whatI have to do is change the relay for the heater, change the heater to a 220V 2100W and disconnect the transformer. The heat element is about $80-85 so maybe with $120 the change is over. Thanks
