moffat cooker

[peterlondon]

Hi all,just discovered this place,and like a good book I cant put it down.
I recently bought a moffat 4633 ceramic free standing cooker.I was really after one with radiant rings but they never seem to come up.
The top is white ceramic,but now a bit manky.I have tried 3672 million products to try and bring it back to life but to no avail.
I just love this huge cooker and have been trying to get more info,but nothing seems to be listed,can anybody help?

 

[vacbear58]

Hello back from South London

Hi Peter
And welcome to automaticwasher.

How lucky you are to have the Moffat cooker, I have been on the look out for one of these for YEARS - they do occasionally come up on ebay but generally have been too far away or too expensive (or both) to make it worth while. I take it yours is the Fiesta 24 with the black drop down oven door? Or is it the Fiesta 21 with stainless doors and the second oven under the hob?

Are you a baker? What is the oven like? And have you ever used the rotesserie?

I am not sure there will be that much you can do at this stage, it must be 35+ years old. I presume you will have tried Hob Brite with an abrasive sponge? NOT a Brillo pad!

For US members how might have some ideas on restoration this is a Corning white smooth top (or ceramic as we call it) range. Hob Brite is a proprietry cleaner for this sort of top - any other ideas? remember we will not have many of teh proprietry cleaners that you have in the US.

Al

 

[retro-man]

A good cleaner that works great on porcelan or corning ware type surfaces is just basic baking soda. Use a damp to wet cloth and rub the baking soda onto the surface with a little pressure. Will not scratch the surface then just rinse off, may take a few treatments but I have cleaned years of grime off from old stoves doing this.
Jon

 

[peterlondon]

Moffat

Wow,How quick was that!Thanks for the welcome al.
I bought this stove for the huge amount of £4.25 on ebay in june.I wanted to theme a retro kitchen and when this came up I knew I was gonna have it.straight into the back of the volvo and home I came.It does have a black drop down door at the bottom,and a stainless door on the top oven.Unfortunatly It did not have the rotis parts with it nor the temp probe,but I had the stove!
After checking the wiring I took 6 vallium and a large gin and connected,no bang so that was a good start eh!
all but the clock works.I have not been able to find any info on this cooker at all.My mum had more or less the same cooker but it had radiant rings and the element for the oven was at the bottom,not at the sides like this one. I did see there was another model with a ss top.now I am wondering if I could chnange to top somehow.I do a fair amount of baking,and the large oven is great for this,although for roasting I have found difficult because I been used to a fan oven.
I always wanted a flair,but of course not available here.One day when I have saved enough sheckles I can ship one here,they run on 230v so should work.

 

[vacbear58]

More Moffats

Peter

You lucky bugger! I watch ebay regularly and I dont know how I missed it. I well remember both this cooker, I always wished i could persuade my parents to get one, but there are some battles you can never win. Apart from the built in version of this oven, the free-standing vesion you have would by my "must have" although I must say I would wave my induction hob good bye with a heavy heart. Your mum's would have been the earlier Canadian built version (probably about 10 years earlier) hence the heating element on the floor rather than the sides of the oven as we in the Uk were familiar with at that time.

I am wondering about the clock, its digital (not digital display but rotating numbers) isn't it?

One thing I have often considered when thinking about such a cooker is the possibality of replacing the whole top with a piece of stainless steel (I am sort of in that business and it would not be that hard) with a cut out to accept an induction. The cooker hob controls would be useless of course, but to me its the best of both worlds. I know what you mean about fan ovens as well, it is my preference too.

No neeed to give up on a Flair style cooker either, as you will see in the attached advertisment Moffat imported one of those too. Now the chances of finding one might be marginal, but I have seen the wide range on the right on ebay about 15 months or so ago so they might still be around.

The retro themed kicthen sounds interesting, I would love to do something like that myself, but for my small kicthen it is not really possible at the moment. Any chances of some pictures? have you managed to track down any other vintage appliances for it?

Al


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Moffat-co...llectables_Advertising_ET&hash=item483d90ff81

 

[peterlondon]

More moffs

Hi Al,I saw that stove myself and even went as far as getting a quote to get it here (Hackney East Lon)But when I came to my senses,I knew that it woult not fit,I to have a very small kitchen.I was thinking about replacing the top myself with a radiant hob
(european with seperate control board) so I could still use the switches. I did not think about fitting induction,I had one in my last place,was great,it surely is an idea.I really do want to save this moff and make sure I get many more years out of it by updating it a tad if poss.(also toying with a jackson ceramic of roughly same age on ebay now)I have got a few bits,a 60's swan siren kettle,the obligatory russell hobbs K2 3 russell hobbs cp1 percs.(don't ask!) two swan 40's? stainless percs,and my favourite 40's or 50's hamilton beach stainless mixer with two bowls no less! (american but on 220) and finally, my kenwood chef A701.Not great with pc's did try and put pics on but not sure how,but will keep trying

 

[petek]

Anyone else have pics of this stove you're both talking about. It sounds interesting. I never knew Moffat exported stoves to the UK so I'm left wondering where these designs that weren't available in Canada, just for export?

 

[vacbear58]

Even more Moffs

Pete

The particular stove we are talking about was made in the UK - I have pics at home which I can load later. You will see examples of the earlier Canadian sourched models in the link above.

Peter
Is that the Jackson with the Buy It Now of £200? I saw that myself, but not at that price. Even the starting bid is a bit OTT at £100 Unfortunatly I do not have a Volvo and I aint strapping a cooker to the roof of my car LOLOLOLOLOL. And actually I may have even seen the Moffat (was in in a church hall or something?) but by the time I hire a van and the cost of the petrol it would just pushed the price too far.

Actually the current cooker may be a Creda rather than Jackson - just a change in name, otherwise the same - I believe there was also a fan oven version of this (Circulaire) as well. I came across the radient ring version of the Jackson/Creda a few months ago when I picked up a vintage Hoover tumble drier but unfortunatly they weren't selling it - shame as the whole kitchen was more or less a 70s capsule.

Great to hear about the small appliances too, I have a few of those myself and even a HB mixer (along with about 40 or so other mixers) - you will find many on here share similar interests. Now, we just need to fix you up with a nice vintage vacuum and a twin tub and you are all set .......

Al

PS I am in Tooting/Colliers Wood area of SW London

 

[vacbear58]

Putting pics on

Peter

Its really easy.

Under the message composition box there is a "greyed out" box - "Upload JPEG Format Picture to share in message:". Click on the browse button and literally browse to the folder on your computer where any pictures you want to load are located, and select the photo - you can only load one at a time and there must also be some text in both the subject drift box and message composition box.

Al

 

[westie2]

A question I have with this cooktop does it need tohave the Corning ware pots and pans to cook correctly.  We had a 1980 Amanna cook top that 3 of the Hobs (elements) required the Corning Ware and only 1 that would let us use a metal pot/pan.  Had friedns that had a Corning cook top and it did require the Corning flat pots and pans.

 

 

 

[peterlondon]

Moffat

Here are a few pics of the moffplus a few appliances

 

[peterlondon]

Moffat

more

 

[peterlondon]

moff

more

 

[peterlondon]

moff

Sorry about the pot guys,making jewush penicilan (chicken soup)
I have a hoover 612 which had a casualty to the top,this however works fine,good motor and roller,I dont want it now so up for grabs to a good home or for parts.
Here are a few more bit
pete

 

[peterlondon]

hb mixer

And my Hamilton beach

 

[peterlondon]

moff

Forgot what I was doing now!soo, have the vac which I don't want (and going free)
and as for a twin tub..altho I could open business doin bag washes (and I don't think)I want a keymatic with a chrome door,or bedix I think 7147 with matching dryer,but then what for dishwasher? I have a hotpoint now.
The cooker is faster than the mod one I changed it for,only bum is the clock,as the minute minder is so handy.phoned e-spares to see if I could buy rotiss bits and temp robe.Of course not..bummer Al I saw that moffat too,it was in in a scouts hall or such like,and went for £80.00.mine came from Hornchurch Essex.

 

[peterlondon]

moffat cleaner

Thank you jon,did try that but I guess given this is 30+ years old it's just finished.I even tried caustic soda,did'nt do anything,but the fumes gave me a cheap day out!

Westie,this top works with any pans.

Anyways,some restoration to be done here,the grill door and a re-paint,then something about the manky top....

 

[westie2]

Yes when I saw the pressure coooker on it I know had to be able to take all pots and pans.  Thanks for the reply.

 

That is one good looking cooker you have.  Love you mixer and coffee makers too.  And welcome to AW.ORG

 

Charles

 

[aquarius1984]

Hello Peter,

Well done, im very impressed. My aunty Carole had one of these when I was a kid but hers had Radiant rings, Under hob Grill Cavity with brushed? stainless steel/brushed aluminium? panel and a lower oven door with a black panel.

To be unfair to it, the darn thing used to frighten me something stupid, would never be alone in the kitchen with it. God knows why but to some degree they stil put shivers down my spine when I see one. Dont think it was anything to do with size or style as my Mum had a Leisure Five Star Auto MK III to give it the full anme LOL which was similar in appearance I suppose with lots of black glass panels, chrome and stainless steel.

I can only imagine its got something to do with the dials which I was none to keen on as they had a tendency to catch the street light outside my aunts kitchen and glow with reflection looking sinister to a 5 year old.

Well enough about that, glad one has made it to a good home, just slightly amused that you have a first edition Hotpoint washer, my aunt had a Hotpoint 9514 (Economy Wash/Half Load) at the same time as this cooker. Your machine would of been a similar level machine compared to hers. Irrelevant but amusing if you get my drift.

Yes a nice 70s machine would look brill, I can reccomend the Hotpoint 1828 if you should ever find one lolololol.

 

[vacbear58]

Gotta love that Moffat

Peter

Thanks for posting the pics - this one must have crept under my radar as I dont recall seeing it at all, hornchurch would not have been a problem. It looks very well indeed in your kitchen

I am not sure that much can be done with the top, I think it may just be discoloured with use, I am not sure they were ever designed for that much use and most similar I have seen have been discoloured in the same way. And thank you for posting such nice clear shots. Over the years I have seen several examples of this particular model (which was TOL - top of line - for its time) but never the cheaper all white radient ring model - which would have been like this, not your Mum's. Are the "rings" all the same size or are there 2x7" & 2x6"? If so, its possible that the Tricity split level might fit (I think the Moffat might be too wide) and as I recall it was available in black too. But your very clear pictures indicate that my "induction" solution might be a possibality although maybe three rings rather than four.

Love the HB mixer - I have the same but in white (and, despite the 13amp plug on it when I bought it 115V). Love the coffee pots too - I have the same yellow one although mine was badly damaged when it arrived (grrrrrr...) so it was out with the superglue - I had planned to use it as an ornament but it would have been nice to use it now and again but there are plenty more ..... Have the same Swan perc as well - its my favourite.

Might be interested in the 612, but we had better discuss that privatly.

As for that Keymatic - well there are a few of them around believe it or not and a few vintage dishwashers too .... In fact there was a Bendix on ebay a couple of months back which would have been the match for the Moffat ...... But given your small kitchen the ideal solution would be a Hoover Twosome and I might just be able to stitch you up ...... I mean help you out with one

Al

PS Only joking about the Twosome although there is also a nice stainless steel Servis that would go with the Moffat at treat ........

 

[vacbear58]

Rob's Moffat

Rob

The one your auntie had would have been the Fiesta 21, slightly narrower than Peter's. Not to be dismissive about it, we are talking Tricity President with a rotesserie stuck on the top. Mind you that model was around a long time in one form and another too. I cannot remember if Leisure was part of Thorn or not - I know Parkinson Cowan was, and of course there were a few gas Moffats around too, although never at the same time as this particular range with would have been mid to late 1970s - 60's yes, 80s yes but not (mostly) the 70s

Al

 

[peterlondon]

Moffat

Rob,Thank you for your welcome,what a nice bunch of people.

Rob....oops,my pic must have made you reel back somewhat,It's very strange what objects can do! Myself I have always loved the look of this stove,all that chrome and black I just love it.

An Mr Al
Hmmmm,when you say a twin set I assume washer and dryer? Altho the kitchen is small I do have a dishwasher and a dryer on the other wall,so it's all got to match a be chrome....innit tho!

The yellow perc was an ebay purchase,before buying I did ask questions but people arent always straight are they,,anyway it gets warm but not hot enough to "perc" so I am assuming two elements?....anyways if you want it to do surgery with let's talk.Do you deal in bits then? (tapping table)
I am a washing machine engineer too,but that's another story

pete

 

[vacbear58]

Twin set

Pete

Of course I mean a Hoover single tub and spinarinse - i would not dream of suggesting any other sort of twin set - well not until I have met you anyway LOLOLOL

I sincerely hope you will stick around - you skills will be much appreciated, not to mention your stories, which would be very welcome as well.

Anyway, back to Moffats - this is the biggie from ebay a while back. The knobs on the LH & RH front were to wind one of the oven shelves up and down - grill (broiler) in the ovens

 

[vacbear58]

Control panel close up

left

 

[vacbear58]

Control panel close up

Right

 

[vacbear58]

Pete (UK)

Was this your mum's? or something like it? i was sorely tempted by this

 

[vacbear58]

Rob's Nightmare

Fiesta 21

In later years this had a ceramic hob

 

[vacbear58]

And of course ....

My old Neff oven started playing up a while back. So, after months of watching for Moffats I finally got a new Neff (a bargain it was too - thanks John Lewis and it was not even in the clearence sale) which I installed last night.

So, what do i find on ebay today ....... Well not this exact one, but one that is identical, and of course its close to me too .....

 

[74simon]

Welcome to the group Peter,

Your Moffat is very handsome! My grandma had a fitted kitchen put in in 1979 (in apricot!), and she had a Tricity branded built in oven and separate hob put in, which had the same digital analogue timer and dials as your Moffat, I remember being fascinated by the rotisserie, but don't think it was ever used. It replaced a freestanding Jackson, the oven door on that used to fall off for some reason! The Tricity oven was still in place and working when she passed away a couple of years back. Hadn't thought about saving it or offering it to anyone at the time, but I suspect collecting it from my home town of Aberdeen may have been too much of a stretch. I know the date as I found the receipt amongst some paperwork an auntie had saved. Sorry your efforts to clean up the hob didn't work, ah well, if anyone says anything just tell them it's patina!

Good luck with finding a vintage automatic washer - when I first joined this site, I seem to remember very few had been found by collectors in the UK, but there have been many incredible finds reported on here, and the nice thing is that folk tend to be happy for fellow collectors if they find something rare, rather than getting jealous! I'm not in a position to collect large appliances myself, but it's always great seeing other collections added to. Anyone remember the days when the slope front Hoover Keymatics seemed to be extinct? Think there are at least half a dozen known around the UK now! And like Al says, it's nice to have another chap with experience on board.

If the hood on your 612 has been smashed, I have a spare that I don't need - it's only in fair condition but it's intact, and I'd be happy to pass it on to you or anyone who could do with it.

 

[peterlondon]

Ma's stove

Yep,that was the bugger,I wish I had it now.That was bought in 1960 I think and stayed in service until the late 70's when kitchen changed and split level put in...Tricity fanfare I think,but we hated the new oven because it was so small.
I took the moff,the old colston tabletop to the local dump in my friends trannie.A brand new ineshit...oooops replaced the colston.This was so powerfull it used to blow the door open when starting.

Al,that's the big moff I was going to truck down (american import?)But as you saw,my Kitchen is the size of an ice cube no no way would the bugger fit..sigh (moved from a big house to a teepee)Before I bought this moff I saw robs nitemare going cheap also,but no light,small oven,nope I wanted the biggie.This the first free standing stove I have had for many years,my last wall oven being neff also fabola two full size fan ovens and some sort of extractor too,dunno what it was for tho.Now you have just shown me the moff for sale I wanna shoot myself..and so close aleady! I think I hate ceramics now. How much was ma's one going for? and you not buy??? You can get my email from here al and drop us a line when you have a min
Simon,thanks for saying Hi and your input