When I was a kid in the 1960s, the houses in my neighborhood were built in the 1920s, everyone had carpeting, most homes had gas ranges, many had oil/steam heat, and asthma was no where near as common in children as it is today.
Nationwide gas stove ban?
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Back then more children were breast fed and more children were exposed to childhood illnesses so their immune system was built up better.
My last two cents about this subject.
My last two cents about this subject.
Honestly, some of you guys need to have your meds upped. Talk about much ado about nothing.
The New York City council in 2021 passed a bill that effectively bans gas in new buildings, starting in 2024 for those under seven stories and in 2027 for anything taller.
The millions of apartments currently with gas appliances? They will stay that way 'til kingdom come. No one is coming for your gas stove you dopes.
No standing pilot
Stan you have no worries over a standing pilot light as I am sure your Wedgwood range does not have any, by the way I like your hardwood colour and your telephone niche, the hall and stairway as well. Is your house Craftsman style? Fireplace?
Dave, thanks for linking the Simon and Garfunkel song, I have not heard it for years but it was favourite of mine at the time,
Stan you have no worries over a standing pilot light as I am sure your Wedgwood range does not have any, by the way I like your hardwood colour and your telephone niche, the hall and stairway as well. Is your house Craftsman style? Fireplace?
Dave, thanks for linking the Simon and Garfunkel song, I have not heard it for years but it was favourite of mine at the time,
Foraloysius said:
"Back then more children were breast fed and more children were exposed to childhood illnesses so their immune system was built up better. "
Good point!
I'd love to have a vintage Wedgewood range. But I'd also replace any standing pilots with spark igniters ASAP. The other problem is that both my kitchens (main house & patio) have built-in cooking appliances. And neither would fit a Wedgewood of any size (unless Wedgewood made 30" wide countertop units, which I've never seen). I do remember a lot of our rental flats in the 1960's SF had Wedgewood gas stoves. Nearly all were free standing, and at least 36" wide.
Oh, wait, Googled "30" Wedgewood" and they do exist! Although I'm not sure this one would fit inside a counter:
Hmm... I'd rather have a Wedgewood than a "Modern Maid" in my patio kitchen...
"Back then more children were breast fed and more children were exposed to childhood illnesses so their immune system was built up better. "
Good point!
I'd love to have a vintage Wedgewood range. But I'd also replace any standing pilots with spark igniters ASAP. The other problem is that both my kitchens (main house & patio) have built-in cooking appliances. And neither would fit a Wedgewood of any size (unless Wedgewood made 30" wide countertop units, which I've never seen). I do remember a lot of our rental flats in the 1960's SF had Wedgewood gas stoves. Nearly all were free standing, and at least 36" wide.
Oh, wait, Googled "30" Wedgewood" and they do exist! Although I'm not sure this one would fit inside a counter:
Hmm... I'd rather have a Wedgewood than a "Modern Maid" in my patio kitchen...
OK, some observations:
1) Yes, standing pilot lights can measurably increase indoor pollution, because standing pilot lights are on 7x24. But the solution for that has been available since the 1970's, and that is spark ignition, which completely eliminates the need for a standing pilot light.
2) Use an efficient range or cooktop hood. These remove most if not all of the gas flame pollutants from the indoor air. Yes, they transfer that pollution to the outdoor air, but as the video points out, this accounts for perhaps 5% of such pollution. And probably even less if spark igniters were universal.
3) No mention is made of the indoor pollution that may be caused by use of cigarettes, pipes, dinner candles, or candles on birthday cakes. I wonder why.
1) Yes, standing pilot lights can measurably increase indoor pollution, because standing pilot lights are on 7x24. But the solution for that has been available since the 1970's, and that is spark ignition, which completely eliminates the need for a standing pilot light.
2) Use an efficient range or cooktop hood. These remove most if not all of the gas flame pollutants from the indoor air. Yes, they transfer that pollution to the outdoor air, but as the video points out, this accounts for perhaps 5% of such pollution. And probably even less if spark igniters were universal.
3) No mention is made of the indoor pollution that may be caused by use of cigarettes, pipes, dinner candles, or candles on birthday cakes. I wonder why.
" No mention is made of the indoor pollution that may be caused by use of cigarettes, pipes, dinner candles, or candles on birthday cakes. I wonder why. "
Because this controlling government wants us all to be on one energy source, for our vehicles, heating, hot water, lights and electronics, cooking/washing/drying appliances, etc. Problem with that is once we get so dependent on a single energy source whats to stop the power companies from gouging the crap out of us? What options of choices are left when purchasing new? What options will be available to source competitive power rates? From what I've seen in CT the electric companies simply get away with raping the public with drastic rate increases every few years and they do nothing about looking into it in the state capitol even after they post record profits months later. Not to mention if we get dependent on electric everything, if we have a national terrorist disaster on our power grids we are totally screwed. I was in the local supermarket last week and Verizon was down, which meant paying with plastic of any kind was impossible as the service was out 10 mins then would come back for 30 seconds then go out again for several minutes. I've never seen such long lines before. The only people keeping the lines moving were people like me paying cash, or hitting the ATM's across from the registers to get cash. I think getting so heavily dependent on electric will bite us in the ass real good one day.
Because this controlling government wants us all to be on one energy source, for our vehicles, heating, hot water, lights and electronics, cooking/washing/drying appliances, etc. Problem with that is once we get so dependent on a single energy source whats to stop the power companies from gouging the crap out of us? What options of choices are left when purchasing new? What options will be available to source competitive power rates? From what I've seen in CT the electric companies simply get away with raping the public with drastic rate increases every few years and they do nothing about looking into it in the state capitol even after they post record profits months later. Not to mention if we get dependent on electric everything, if we have a national terrorist disaster on our power grids we are totally screwed. I was in the local supermarket last week and Verizon was down, which meant paying with plastic of any kind was impossible as the service was out 10 mins then would come back for 30 seconds then go out again for several minutes. I've never seen such long lines before. The only people keeping the lines moving were people like me paying cash, or hitting the ATM's across from the registers to get cash. I think getting so heavily dependent on electric will bite us in the ass real good one day.
Re:#137
Thats an Okeeffe and Merritt, not a Wedgewood. Its just like the stove that my parents had when I was a little boy. I remember when we got it it was used but my Mom was so pleased with it as it was newer and better than the stove it replaced.
Eddie
Thats an Okeeffe and Merritt, not a Wedgewood. Its just like the stove that my parents had when I was a little boy. I remember when we got it it was used but my Mom was so pleased with it as it was newer and better than the stove it replaced.
Eddie
While on the subject of standing pilot lights, here is a 1973 Tappan which I was told despite it seemingly having features that would need electrical operation such as possibly an oven light, maybe a timer and definitely a clock that this range evidently sports…
And somehow this was the only possible picture I have of it in full view, despite that cat seen sitting on it to keep warm year round… It works, though it emits a gas odor from an occasionally blown pilot solved by just needing relit—safe though not much in the way of clean or efficient operation otherwise (it just works!)….
The only picture I have unless I can I can find any more in my photo archives sent via private messages…
— Dave
And somehow this was the only possible picture I have of it in full view, despite that cat seen sitting on it to keep warm year round… It works, though it emits a gas odor from an occasionally blown pilot solved by just needing relit—safe though not much in the way of clean or efficient operation otherwise (it just works!)….
The only picture I have unless I can I can find any more in my photo archives sent via private messages…
— Dave
Eddie,
Actually, the photo in post #137 is of a man in a brown suit with his head buried in the sand.
And the range in this photo is most certainly a Wedgewood. It's got the Wedgewood emblem on the back panel:
Actually, the photo in post #137 is of a man in a brown suit with his head buried in the sand.
And the range in this photo is most certainly a Wedgewood. It's got the Wedgewood emblem on the back panel:
And speaking of Wedgewood ranges... a little googling reveals that the factory that built these gems was in Newark, California, which is a town in the East Bay. This explains why Wedgewood was in so many flats and apartments when I grew up here.
Wedgewood went out of business in the early 70's. Since pilot lights also started being restricted around then, I imagine no Wedgewood stoves were ever made with pilot-less igniters.
In my memory, Wedgewood stoves were always very reliable. I'd love to have one today. But of course I'd upgrade it to a pilotless ignition system for the top burners, as well as for the oven and broiler. I don't imagine it would be all that difficult to do.
Wedgewood went out of business in the early 70's. Since pilot lights also started being restricted around then, I imagine no Wedgewood stoves were ever made with pilot-less igniters.
In my memory, Wedgewood stoves were always very reliable. I'd love to have one today. But of course I'd upgrade it to a pilotless ignition system for the top burners, as well as for the oven and broiler. I don't imagine it would be all that difficult to do.
Hi Rich
Heres the I.D plate on my Wedgwood .
I assumed the early Wedgewood’s were manufactured in both Newark and S.F
There are no pilot lights for stove burners or for oven. All have to be match lit.
And no thermostat for oven.
Heres the I.D plate on my Wedgwood .
I assumed the early Wedgewood’s were manufactured in both Newark and S.F
There are no pilot lights for stove burners or for oven. All have to be match lit.
And no thermostat for oven.
All the Wedgewood stoves I used at rentals had standing pilot lights both in the burners and oven. They were probably of a later vintage than Stan's.
Sorry Rich, my bad. The profile of that stove is like the O’Keefe and Merritt my parents had, but you’re right the badge is Wedgewood.
Eddie
Eddie
Didn't see this coming...
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Court throws out Berkeley, California's ban on natural gas
A federal appeals court has overturned Berkeley, California’s first-in-the-nation ban on natural gas in new construction, agreeing with restaurant owners who argued the city bypassed federal energy regulations when it approved the ordinance. The measure, which took effect in 2020 to cheers from...
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Well...
I lived in Berkeley for about 13 years. Back then if anyone had proposed banning natural gas, it would have received a lot of "Huh?" responses.
More recently I replaced the funky electric cooktop in the main kitchen in this house I bought south of Berkeley back in '97, with a gas cooktop. I have never regretted that. It's got spark flame igniters, so there are no pilot lights burning 7x24. I am planning on upgrading the range in the patio kitchen with a gas version as well, when I get a round toit. I found the gas range on the street... probably should test it out before I yank the electric version. It's also, as far as I can tell, got spark igniters.
I lived in Berkeley for about 13 years. Back then if anyone had proposed banning natural gas, it would have received a lot of "Huh?" responses.
More recently I replaced the funky electric cooktop in the main kitchen in this house I bought south of Berkeley back in '97, with a gas cooktop. I have never regretted that. It's got spark flame igniters, so there are no pilot lights burning 7x24. I am planning on upgrading the range in the patio kitchen with a gas version as well, when I get a round toit. I found the gas range on the street... probably should test it out before I yank the electric version. It's also, as far as I can tell, got spark igniters.
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