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OK...Yesterday.. I watched a video of a guy doing a 35 pound load in his LG (but it was a square door LG that looks like it was from a few years ago. (not 360 turbo wash) but just turbo wash... He used prewash, heavy duty, max soil, 5 rinses (he selected max extra rinses... I was cringing because I thought he overloaded it but the drum was so big that even though it was overloaded, it still washed well..but the cycle was 3:30 (but he said that was 2 weeks of laundry in one load and he didn't care about the time) He seemed to understand laundry as he talked for a long time about different laundry stuff for the first few minutes.. but he just put everything in and didn't bother to separate anything...which made me wonder.. He also has both hot and cold coming from his water heater (not sure how that's possible) but with that you would get NOTHING but hot washes AND rinses (LOL)

But here's the thing...After each drain, it spun and spray rinsed for a LONG time.. I felt like it was a solid minute of spray rinse...I'm almost sure the new ones don't do that...(See what happens when you wait???) A great option that was available is no longer available)

 
I watched some of that video last night. The spin spray rinses is very different than the sseequence of the concept now. Yes, that spray/mist was potentially up to a minute and speed was much faster.
 
sometimes I'm terrified that when the time comes for me to have to get a new washer...there's going to be nothing on the market I want...as it stands it's already slim pickings. I have a suspicion my duet is going to last a few more years...unless the control board goes... I don't understand how it can just keep going.
 
Duet

I know I sound like the LGs are more of a hassle than they're worth, however they are far better than a majority of machines on the market. My Duet was kind of glitchy and had its own issues, though I absolutely loved that machine. If anything, it had personality. But, I might like the Kenmore a bit more. It just depends on the cycle.
 
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See what happens when you wait???)

Yep, that's exactly what I'm afraid of about waiting too long and why I feel like I may have made a mistake getting the direct drive repaired instead of just buying something new. The DD might last too long now and by the time it finally breaks, there will be very limited options on the market that I'd both be interested in and can easily afford. On the flipside though I can't justify in my head getting rid of my current washer when it works just fine. It's a dilemma that's always sort of in the back of my mind, so I understand where you are coming from there, Mark.

Ryne
 
Or maybe they will innovate more... Let's hope so...If it was, say 2017.. I would have predicted that no machine in 2023 would have a more water button.. so we could be totally wrong...but that 2019 square door LG had a long spray rinse.. that might be my favorite part... and it did it in all five rinses...from what I've seen, there is only one spray rinse with these and it lasts 7 seconds or something like that. So in 2023, you've basically LOST the spray rinse...at least from the cycles I've seen...there could be a longer one depending on what's selected...

My duet has never been glitchy...even when it spins it sounds like it purrs along (with the once in a while more shaky load (not violently shaky) but the occasional shakes more than usual.)

One thing that amazes me is when more water is added to these machines... it's like it does not take much before it's too much. The clothes lift and drop turns into a roll..I don't think the baffles in them are big enough for too much more water.

I'm so used to 1000 RPM spin that I may not use extra high spin in these if HIGH spin is 1000 RPM since it adds more time...I wonder if there's a huge difference between 1000 RPM and, say, 1300 RPM

I wonder if anyone at LG reads these? If they do... please consider bringing back the longer spray rinse in future models without taking away true rinses.. and make sure that all cycles spin between rinses (well, maybe except for delicate)...
 
Spray rinse

mark_wpduet, the 'High' setting on Normal cycle will perform a final spin of anywhere from 1100-1255 RPM for only about 1-2 minutes. Whereas the 'Extra High" setting adds anywhere from 8-14 minutes of spinning at that speed. IF you need something washed quickly, this would be sufficient, however a full load of laundry is not ideal. My Duet was programmed so that the spin setting purely changed the spin RPM, which I preferred. However, at least on my Kenmore, the spin RPM is highly variable. Last week I did a load of 4 pairs of jeans and 4 t-shirts and the machine decided to do the 1255 RPM spin. Though, if I have a large load of towels, washcloths, and bathmat, the machine usually will do a 1129 RPM spin. No ramping up for the last minute or anything. Spin performance is still great, but it's not at all what I was used to.

The interim spin with TurboWash is also too short and at too low of an RPM now. The older models would spin up to nearly 1000 RPM after the long spray, however, now they are lucky to spin to any more than 400 RPM and the interim spin is done. Plus, the drain pump stops as the machine ramps down, so there is still sudsy water in the sump that is used for the rinse. Not sure if they avoid the higher speed and longer duration to avoid sudslocks, or purely are doing it for time purposes. Since the water level in the rinse is significantly higher, I know they aren't doing it for efficiency. Though, I do believe the entire concept of TurboWash is efficiency driven on the Normal and Heavy Duty cycles. If an 8 pound load can be washed in 8-9 gallons of water, and the option can not be turned off, there is a specific reason why. CR would initially test TurboWash machines with the option turned OFF, as they do not run additional options or features for their testing cycles. Thats just my opinion on it though.
 
LG Normal Cycle spray rinse.

Mark, the former member who provided me with all the info he gave me said spin sprays have to have 600 rpm for the spray to activate. I've clocked that watching rpm numbers and it is true. Here ius the sequence for the 1st rinse on Normal (and bear in mind htis is the only rinse on Normal)For average loads, it will get up to the spin speed to do spin spray. The machine slows down to distribution speed and begins adding more water for a bit and then ramps up to about 25-40 rpms and spins with all that water surging through the load. After about a minute or two, the tub stops spinning alltogether. Then additionmal water is added and it ends up being quite a deep amount of water and tumbles for another minute or two. Then drains and goes into final spin. This sequence is only for Normal cycle. Now if the load is a heavy load or the machine senses a lot of suds, it wwill attempt to try to spin spray a couple of times and will then give up and just begin to fill with water for the rinse. It doesn't do the distribution spin speed with waater surging through the clcothes. This rinse is the exception for the following. All other spin spray sequences will do the spray. And continuese to spin for about 30 seconds and ramping up to whatever speed. then the spinning stops. The pump then puimps out all the water that's in the sump before the machine begins to fill for each rinse. So it does attempt to remove as much sudsy water as possible.
 
If you used the Normal cycle , then yes it does not do a final tumble to loosen the load from the walls of the drum. Bright Whites does do a final tumble. You will find that on Normal, Bright Whites and Heavy Duty that Turbowash cannot be deselected. Delicates one cannot use Turbowash as well. I was doing a small load of grungy towels on Heavy Duty using Ex Hot , 2 ex rinses and the cycle time was 1:40. This washer is very quiet, the most you will hear is the drain pump doing its thing and the low hum of the Turbowash pump when that is going. Spin sounds like a flying saucer at least to me it does and tumbling is silent except for water and clothes movement.
 
Bob is correct with that description of the sequence on the normal cycle. but that is only when a cycle has AI included with it.
Not all cycles have AI included, downloaded cycles as well.
I don't use the normal cycle, but other cycles that are very close in the wash/rinse actions once in a while, from the downloaded cycles.
 
Additional information..

AI cannot be turned off. The only exception to this is with:
Normal cycle, heavy soil, then AI is turned OFF.
All other cycles with AI regardless of option selections, AI will remain ON.
*This is for models 4200/4500*
don't know if this is for the new models that have recently come out.
 
On the 4000 that I have AI is only on Bright Whites and Normal. No other cycles use it. My washer connects to the internet and sometimes LG will send out an update for the machine. I have almost every LG alppliance that I have is connected to the internet thru the ThinQ app. That app is very handy I might add. We just bought an LG OLED TV that is also connected. The only thing not connected is the microwave oven. Washer, Dryer, Dishwasher, Stove and Fridge all connected plus TV.
 
I agree the ThinQ app is very handy, I use it a lot. The washer and dryer are the only ones connected to it.
Yes, Normal and Bright whites are the only cycles on the dial that have AI.
Have you looked to see on the downloaded cycles which ones have AI?
I'm pretty sure yours have the same cycles as mine and use AI also. I like and use some of the downloaded cycles on a regular basis. very happy with my machines.
I'll video chat with my other half, my phone will go off, he'll say which machine is it this time?? I just give a big smile..
 
Some of the downloaded cycles are based on the Normal Cycle or Heavy Duty. They are Denim, Kids Wear, Sweat Stains, Large Load, and X Large Load. These cycles also have AI activated for them too. I have Denim downloaded to my washer and AI is activated for all soil levels, including ex. heavy. I can also turn Tubro Wash on or off on Denim.
 
OK SO: AI is built in to certain cycles.. what does that mean tho? For example..If you have a machine with AI... select normal, turbo wash, high soil, extra rinse...what is AI actually doing that wouldn't already be programmed into the cycles? I guess that's where I'm confused.
 
Mark, honestly I've not been able to see what AI does with the washer. The dryer, it causes the heat level to gradually reduce as the load dries kind of like Kenmore old Soft Heat. Up until about 2 months ago, I'd been using Normal to dry my towels. My towel loads consist of the same items for each of the 3 or 4 loads of towels I do. The electrical usage graph is different between Normal and the Towels cycle. I have found a certain tow4el load will take an hour & 3 to 6 minutes on Normal and is about 53 to 55 minutes on Towels. So Normal takes 10-15 minutes longer. The latest models only have one specific AI-based cycle and it's called AI Wash. I'll never use it as it only goes as high as warm and that is pissy 90F at most.
 
What AI does two things: LG's marketing employees earn money and people buy their appliances because... well, it's got that AI. And with HI (human intelligence) on the decline, I guess AI is on the rise.

Realistically, I don't see the revolution. Miele has had washers that would adapt every parameter of the Cotton/Normal cycle to the sensed load many, many years ago. So did Electrolux with their combined Cotton/Perm Press cycle. Heck, even my 12-year-old Duet will adapt the Mixed Load cycle. Fisher&Paykel had fabric sensing for... decades? The only difference is that, back then, the term AI didn't exist.
 

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