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If you used the Normal cycle , then yes it does not do a final tumble to loosen the load from the walls of the drum. Bright Whites does do a final tumble. You will find that on Normal, Bright Whites and Heavy Duty that Turbowash cannot be deselected. Delicates one cannot use Turbowash as well. I was doing a small load of grungy towels on Heavy Duty using Ex Hot , 2 ex rinses and the cycle time was 1:40. This washer is very quiet, the most you will hear is the drain pump doing its thing and the low hum of the Turbowash pump when that is going. Spin sounds like a flying saucer at least to me it does and tumbling is silent except for water and clothes movement.
 
Bob is correct with that description of the sequence on the normal cycle. but that is only when a cycle has AI included with it.
Not all cycles have AI included, downloaded cycles as well.
I don't use the normal cycle, but other cycles that are very close in the wash/rinse actions once in a while, from the downloaded cycles.
 
Additional information..

AI cannot be turned off. The only exception to this is with:
Normal cycle, heavy soil, then AI is turned OFF.
All other cycles with AI regardless of option selections, AI will remain ON.
*This is for models 4200/4500*
don't know if this is for the new models that have recently come out.
 
On the 4000 that I have AI is only on Bright Whites and Normal. No other cycles use it. My washer connects to the internet and sometimes LG will send out an update for the machine. I have almost every LG alppliance that I have is connected to the internet thru the ThinQ app. That app is very handy I might add. We just bought an LG OLED TV that is also connected. The only thing not connected is the microwave oven. Washer, Dryer, Dishwasher, Stove and Fridge all connected plus TV.
 
I agree the ThinQ app is very handy, I use it a lot. The washer and dryer are the only ones connected to it.
Yes, Normal and Bright whites are the only cycles on the dial that have AI.
Have you looked to see on the downloaded cycles which ones have AI?
I'm pretty sure yours have the same cycles as mine and use AI also. I like and use some of the downloaded cycles on a regular basis. very happy with my machines.
I'll video chat with my other half, my phone will go off, he'll say which machine is it this time?? I just give a big smile..
 
Some of the downloaded cycles are based on the Normal Cycle or Heavy Duty. They are Denim, Kids Wear, Sweat Stains, Large Load, and X Large Load. These cycles also have AI activated for them too. I have Denim downloaded to my washer and AI is activated for all soil levels, including ex. heavy. I can also turn Tubro Wash on or off on Denim.
 
OK SO: AI is built in to certain cycles.. what does that mean tho? For example..If you have a machine with AI... select normal, turbo wash, high soil, extra rinse...what is AI actually doing that wouldn't already be programmed into the cycles? I guess that's where I'm confused.
 
Mark, honestly I've not been able to see what AI does with the washer. The dryer, it causes the heat level to gradually reduce as the load dries kind of like Kenmore old Soft Heat. Up until about 2 months ago, I'd been using Normal to dry my towels. My towel loads consist of the same items for each of the 3 or 4 loads of towels I do. The electrical usage graph is different between Normal and the Towels cycle. I have found a certain tow4el load will take an hour & 3 to 6 minutes on Normal and is about 53 to 55 minutes on Towels. So Normal takes 10-15 minutes longer. The latest models only have one specific AI-based cycle and it's called AI Wash. I'll never use it as it only goes as high as warm and that is pissy 90F at most.
 
What AI does two things: LG's marketing employees earn money and people buy their appliances because... well, it's got that AI. And with HI (human intelligence) on the decline, I guess AI is on the rise.

Realistically, I don't see the revolution. Miele has had washers that would adapt every parameter of the Cotton/Normal cycle to the sensed load many, many years ago. So did Electrolux with their combined Cotton/Perm Press cycle. Heck, even my 12-year-old Duet will adapt the Mixed Load cycle. Fisher&Paykel had fabric sensing for... decades? The only difference is that, back then, the term AI didn't exist.
 
Closest thing to compare it to really is F&P's fabric sensing, though to a lesser degree.

It's basically adapting to the difference between what you would want both a cotton shirt and a pair of jeans washed liked.
Both are cottons, both want heavier agitation, but one might prefer a different agitation because it's stiffer than the other.
 
As I understand AI, it allows for all items in mixed loads to be washed properly. Take an entire load of different types of cottons, jeans, t-shirts, lighter pants, socks, etc. All might do well on a normal wash but require slightly different agitation profiles so the washer senses all those items in the load and adjusts accordingly.

Think that's more or less what Henrick was saying in reply above.

Ryne
 
AI changes the parameters of the cycle based on what the load is. I use Bright Whites for towels and it will change the wash times based on soil level selected and how much water is being absorbed by the load. It also senses load size and determines what is he best approach to spin speeds. I have seen it add rinses based on if there is more suds left over in a load. I always add an extra rinse to every cycle and set the soil levels to above Normal and below Heavy except pn Bright Whites and that will be set to Heavy based on what I am washing. AI in the Normal cycle is rather interesting since that cycle is the stingiest with water during wash and it gives plenty of water for rinsing. I use that cycle for colors...shirts, shorts, nightwear and during the winter , jeans. Towels are washed on that cycle on occasion and it will use much more water for washing and even more for rinsing up to the bottom lip of the drum and then some.
AI is not some gimmick, I did think the same thing but after seeing it in action I am glad that I have it. The dryer uses it on Normal cycle and I use that cycle for everything. My set is out in my laundry shed and has plenty of outside air to use. When its less humid like in the Fall, Winter and Spring times here in FL the dryer will fly thru a load. In fact the dryer often times is done way before the washer is. During the summer and this ungodly humidity that we are having the dryer will adjust to it but still the cycles clock in at a reasonable time. The Whirlpool dryer that I had for a short time had issues being out there and often times a load would be bone dry before even moving the dial. And this was a an Electronic Sensor classic Whirlpool. Whirlpool has cheapened their products and it shows and this dryer was not quiet like the Kenmore I had years ago.
 
interesting...It would be really cool to have a washer that can correct users mistakes...the only thing it couldn't do is correct, say, if the user put way too large of a load in.

As long as the performance is there for washing/rinsing/spinning.

Can you imagine starting a load and choosing extra rinse if the AI decided (no, this load doesn't need another rinse) and skips it? Something like that would piss me off. I'm sure something like that could be in our future LOL
 
AI Taking Over

I've washed a couple loads on the normal cycle. I selected "Low" spin speed as they were dress shirts and are hard enough to iron. I was shocked at how fast the low spin speed was (VERY wrinkled shirts) but after trying the quick cycle last night on low, it appears the AI overruled my spin speed selection on the normal cycle, even though the display allowed me to choose low. The spin speed on the quick cycle was actually a low spin speed, and didn't use AI.
 
It seems counter intuitive but on many modern washing machines "Normal" is the last cycle one should choose.

At least in USA "Normal" is cycle tested for energy use and ratings. US government mandates (IIRC) as such so named cycles have parameters that largely or wholly cannot be adjusted by consumer. This is part of reason washing machines now have entire catalog of options; everything from dress shirts to diapers.

Can you put your "Normal" cycle into "rinse hold" or otherwise stop it from going into final spin at end of last rinse? From there choose something such as "short spin" or spin cycle with lower rpms.
 
I just checked and low speed is selectable on Normal Cycle. But, TurboWash Spray Rinse has to achieve a speed of 600 rpms for the spray to start. I've not had a need to use Perm Press yet to see what happens when set to lowest spin speed and turbowash.
 
Different cycles have different rpm presets even though it's the same speed on the control panel. Normal and Low Spin might be 700, while Delicate and Low Spin might be 400 rpm.

I think Speed Queen does that, too.
 
Alex, I realize all that information. My Duet did t he same thing and it's even more the situation with the LG. I was simply addressing the situation with Normal cycle.
 
low rpm spin speeds

Not that I often use the low (300 RPM) speed on my older Fisher&Paykel GWL11 I like the fact it is slower than most and will override any cycles preprogrammed spin speed if you do select slow. I wish they would reintroduce their top loaders to the North American market, they still offer them in their other markets, I won't be buying their relabelled Haier front loader anytime soon, if ever.
 
So today I noticed a new LG video someone posted with the normal cycle. Not sure which model..It was just normal cycle, turbo wash, no extra rinse.

I gotta say...the ONE rinse was pretty freaking amazing.. after the wash, there was a spin (I guess it was OK) it didn't seem super fast. I guess more adequate would be the word. Then the water starts to come in for the rinse, but it kept slowly spinning (very similar to my duet) but faster and LONGER and it fills with a good amount of water for the rinse (that's what I love about LG) they use more water for rinses than the wash, where most others use the same amount...I'm almost sure it uses MORE water than even my 2005 duet in the rinse

anyway, I felt like it did that for a solid 3 or 4 minutes...then it stopped and started tumbling and water splashing all over the place.. (and this is with NO modification) then the final spin. I think the total time was like 30 to 35 min's

I've always said to avoid normal cycles but in this case I might have to rethink that. Of course, I would do at LEAST 2 rinses
 
Mark you observation is correct. I've tried to describe that sequence before. That initial spin doesn't drain residual water after the spin spray on Normal. It simmply keeps adding water as you observed. Thus, I add at least 1 extra rinse. Hot for this cycle is relegated to 95F max and warm is 84 to 86F, even cooler in wintertime. I'll use this cycle for towels, extra hot, lightest soil level (to get wash temp to between 135F & 140F and maximum of 4 rinses and extra high spin speeed that gives me a 20 minute 1110 rpm spin. In winter time I'll up soil level by one or to levels to allow a bit longer water heating. I may experiement this winter with using sanitary and different soil levels, but the final spin is only about 6-8 minutes. I've only gotten to see extra high above 1100 rpms once or twice in the time I"ve had the washer. One time was 1120 and another time was 1130.
 
I wonder what the engineers were thinking with that first spin not draining residual wash water? What state are the towels in after spinning for that long. Good lord. 20 min's at over 1100 rpm? They must be barely wet..

So if you choose extra high spin speed... you're stuck with it being a full 20 min's? What if you don't want it to spin that freaking long? I suspect there is no modification for that...for example: I can't control how long mine spins.. just the spin speed itself.. Probably the same.
 
Mark, the long spin time with extra high is only applicable to Normal and Heavy Duty. Not the case for extra high on whites, sanitize, allergiene. And yes, I want the towels as dry as possible given my electric rattes went up over 30% this past year.
 

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