New LG washer coming Thursday

[henene4]

Closest thing to compare it to really is F&P's fabric sensing, though to a lesser degree.

It's basically adapting to the difference between what you would want both a cotton shirt and a pair of jeans washed liked.
Both are cottons, both want heavier agitation, but one might prefer a different agitation because it's stiffer than the other.

 

[ryner1988]

As I understand AI, it allows for all items in mixed loads to be washed properly. Take an entire load of different types of cottons, jeans, t-shirts, lighter pants, socks, etc. All might do well on a normal wash but require slightly different agitation profiles so the washer senses all those items in the load and adjusts accordingly.

Think that's more or less what Henrick was saying in reply above.

Ryne

 

[gelaundry4ever]

normal/casual

What is up with the AI feature? Didn't the normal/casual cycle on whirlpool duet and others made by Whirlpool do the same thing?

 

[nmassman44]

AI changes the parameters of the cycle based on what the load is. I use Bright Whites for towels and it will change the wash times based on soil level selected and how much water is being absorbed by the load. It also senses load size and determines what is he best approach to spin speeds. I have seen it add rinses based on if there is more suds left over in a load. I always add an extra rinse to every cycle and set the soil levels to above Normal and below Heavy except pn Bright Whites and that will be set to Heavy based on what I am washing. AI in the Normal cycle is rather interesting since that cycle is the stingiest with water during wash and it gives plenty of water for rinsing. I use that cycle for colors...shirts, shorts, nightwear and during the winter , jeans. Towels are washed on that cycle on occasion and it will use much more water for washing and even more for rinsing up to the bottom lip of the drum and then some.
AI is not some gimmick, I did think the same thing but after seeing it in action I am glad that I have it. The dryer uses it on Normal cycle and I use that cycle for everything. My set is out in my laundry shed and has plenty of outside air to use. When its less humid like in the Fall, Winter and Spring times here in FL the dryer will fly thru a load. In fact the dryer often times is done way before the washer is. During the summer and this ungodly humidity that we are having the dryer will adjust to it but still the cycles clock in at a reasonable time. The Whirlpool dryer that I had for a short time had issues being out there and often times a load would be bone dry before even moving the dial. And this was a an Electronic Sensor classic Whirlpool. Whirlpool has cheapened their products and it shows and this dryer was not quiet like the Kenmore I had years ago.

 

[mark_wpduet]

interesting...It would be really cool to have a washer that can correct users mistakes...the only thing it couldn't do is correct, say, if the user put way too large of a load in.

As long as the performance is there for washing/rinsing/spinning.

Can you imagine starting a load and choosing extra rinse if the AI decided (no, this load doesn't need another rinse) and skips it? Something like that would piss me off. I'm sure something like that could be in our future LOL

 

[pumper]

AI Taking Over

I've washed a couple loads on the normal cycle. I selected "Low" spin speed as they were dress shirts and are hard enough to iron. I was shocked at how fast the low spin speed was (VERY wrinkled shirts) but after trying the quick cycle last night on low, it appears the AI overruled my spin speed selection on the normal cycle, even though the display allowed me to choose low. The spin speed on the quick cycle was actually a low spin speed, and didn't use AI.

 

[DADoES]

 
Normal is the basis for energy ratings so I don't find it surprising that AI would push fast spin for increased extraction and reduced drying time.

 

[launderess]

It seems counter intuitive but on many modern washing machines "Normal" is the last cycle one should choose.

At least in USA "Normal" is cycle tested for energy use and ratings. US government mandates (IIRC) as such so named cycles have parameters that largely or wholly cannot be adjusted by consumer. This is part of reason washing machines now have entire catalog of options; everything from dress shirts to diapers.

Can you put your "Normal" cycle into "rinse hold" or otherwise stop it from going into final spin at end of last rinse? From there choose something such as "short spin" or spin cycle with lower rpms.

 

[pumper]

Hmm. The manual shows all spin speeds are avaliable options for the normal cycle.

 

[appnut]

I just checked and low speed is selectable on Normal Cycle. But, TurboWash Spray Rinse has to achieve a speed of 600 rpms for the spray to start. I've not had a need to use Perm Press yet to see what happens when set to lowest spin speed and turbowash.

 

[logixx]

Different cycles have different rpm presets even though it's the same speed on the control panel. Normal and Low Spin might be 700, while Delicate and Low Spin might be 400 rpm.

I think Speed Queen does that, too.

 

[appnut]

Alex, I realize all that information. My Duet did t he same thing and it's even more the situation with the LG. I was simply addressing the situation with Normal cycle.

 

[mark_wpduet]

wow learn something new every day...I had no clue that was the case with spin speeds

 

[fisherpaykel]

low rpm spin speeds

Not that I often use the low (300 RPM) speed on my older Fisher&Paykel GWL11 I like the fact it is slower than most and will override any cycles preprogrammed spin speed if you do select slow. I wish they would reintroduce their top loaders to the North American market, they still offer them in their other markets, I won't be buying their relabelled Haier front loader anytime soon, if ever.

 

[mark_wpduet]

So today I noticed a new LG video someone posted with the normal cycle. Not sure which model..It was just normal cycle, turbo wash, no extra rinse.

I gotta say...the ONE rinse was pretty freaking amazing.. after the wash, there was a spin (I guess it was OK) it didn't seem super fast. I guess more adequate would be the word. Then the water starts to come in for the rinse, but it kept slowly spinning (very similar to my duet) but faster and LONGER and it fills with a good amount of water for the rinse (that's what I love about LG) they use more water for rinses than the wash, where most others use the same amount...I'm almost sure it uses MORE water than even my 2005 duet in the rinse

anyway, I felt like it did that for a solid 3 or 4 minutes...then it stopped and started tumbling and water splashing all over the place.. (and this is with NO modification) then the final spin. I think the total time was like 30 to 35 min's

I've always said to avoid normal cycles but in this case I might have to rethink that. Of course, I would do at LEAST 2 rinses

 

[appnut]

Mark you observation is correct. I've tried to describe that sequence before. That initial spin doesn't drain residual water after the spin spray on Normal. It simmply keeps adding water as you observed. Thus, I add at least 1 extra rinse. Hot for this cycle is relegated to 95F max and warm is 84 to 86F, even cooler in wintertime. I'll use this cycle for towels, extra hot, lightest soil level (to get wash temp to between 135F & 140F and maximum of 4 rinses and extra high spin speeed that gives me a 20 minute 1110 rpm spin. In winter time I'll up soil level by one or to levels to allow a bit longer water heating. I may experiement this winter with using sanitary and different soil levels, but the final spin is only about 6-8 minutes. I've only gotten to see extra high above 1100 rpms once or twice in the time I"ve had the washer. One time was 1120 and another time was 1130.

 

[mark_wpduet]

I wonder what the engineers were thinking with that first spin not draining residual wash water? What state are the towels in after spinning for that long. Good lord. 20 min's at over 1100 rpm? They must be barely wet..

So if you choose extra high spin speed... you're stuck with it being a full 20 min's? What if you don't want it to spin that freaking long? I suspect there is no modification for that...for example: I can't control how long mine spins.. just the spin speed itself.. Probably the same.

 

[logixx]

That's the video Mark mentioned. I've also just added a reply to your comment, Mark.

 

[logixx]

Here's what it reminds me of: the Maytag Neptune tub-cleaning final rinse. Skip to about 5:00 min.

 

[appnut]

Mark, the long spin time with extra high is only applicable to Normal and Heavy Duty. Not the case for extra high on whites, sanitize, allergiene. And yes, I want the towels as dry as possible given my electric rattes went up over 30% this past year.