New line of Kenmore dishwashers...

[re563]

Surgilator_68:

I Thought that the Whirlpool/Kenmore HE Wash systems were from Bosch? Is this correct? or is it just based off the bosch wash system?

 

[logixx]

It's somewhat based on the European (surprise, surprise) wash system by Whirlpool & Bauknecht. Only that the Euro models don't have the exposed heating element and a water softener.

 

[surgilator_68]

It is based on the Euro system but completely designed and built by Whirlpool.

 

[Cwheeler]

Hm. Even from seeing that cool picture, I'm still not sold on how well this thing will actually clean...it looks like more novelty than function...I do think more than 5 or so jets of water might be needed....

 

[re563]

cwheeler:

I have a Bosch that I bought 3 yrs ago and the bottom wash arm only has 6 jets that Spray up to the bottom rack (there are two more on the under side that spray the filter screens). I have yet to pull something out that didn't get clean.

 

[coldspot66]

I have the Kenmore Elite HE dishwasher.....extremely quiet and an excellent cleaner. It has alternating wash arms and a removable filter, like a Bosch. I didn't think I would like the filter system, but I very seldom have to clean it, and I don't prerinse, just scrape the dishes and in they go. The "top rack only" cycle is handy to have. But I think the turbo zone jets in the back of the tub are down too low. They should be up higher for better coverage.

 

[Cwheeler]

RE563,
That's really interesting - are the holes in the arm smaller, like the old-school Maytags?

 

[logixx]

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[mrb627]

Stick Out

Looks like the edge of the panel will stick out from under the edge of the counter. So much for being flush, I guess.

 

[surgilator_68]

It actually cleans very well. We have a lot of customers with them. Most all have the same complaint, it smells like roadkill inside. This complaint of course only comes from the people who put food in the dishwasher.

 

[appnut]

If you max the thing out on options with the Pots n pans cyc

A bit misleading Json if I may be so bold to state. Of all the Whirlpool produced versions (Kenmore, Kenmore Elite, KitchenAid, Maytag et. al), Whirlpool features the Soak & Scub option--this is a 4-hour cycle whikch periodically sprays soapy water on the dishload (kind of like the enzyme soak on Kenore washer where it agitated for 15 seconds every 10 minutes). Afterr this Soak & Scrub option is finished, then it could go into the Pots 'n' Pan cycle with every option--high temp wash, sani rinse, and heated dry. That alone will be almost 3 hours or so based upon my 3 year old Kenmore Elite.

 

[re563]

cwheeler:

The "holes" are actually slits, like those currently on the Kenmore Ultra Wash HE. and my spray arms are the same "S" shape. This is why I asked the question to Sugilator. I also noticed that when Kenmore came out with the Ultra Wash HE that Bosch went from having the six jets they went to having 10 like on the Kenmore.

 

[appnut]

Nope, it's an all-whirlpool product with the full-size dimensions of a U.s. dishwasher, not the slightly shortened dimension of the european designed bosch.

 

[surgilator_68]

Wrong Bob. This is the new machine with the new programming and a new wash system. Not the same old 3 year old Tall Tub.

It can take up to 8 hours for the dishwasher to complete the cycle depending upon incoming water temp, soil load, load size and options selected. Such as the following combination: Pots/Pans + Power Scour(Turbo Zone) + Sani Rinse + Heated Dry + low incoming water temp. This is for informational purposes regarding customer instruct calls on dishwasher operation. As a reminder: The selling dealer is responsible for the cost of any service calls that
result in customer instruction in the use or operation of the appliance.

For 90 days after the date of purchase, Whirlpool will pay for warranty service calls performed (by other
than the selling service company), which result in a customer receiving instruction.......

Therefor, Bob, since we don't get paid to instruct the customer, you learn the quirks for the appliance before you run a call, explain that something is normal and then loose money because the manufacturer won't pay you and neither will the customer.[this post was last edited: 7/9/2010-22:47]

 

[a440]

The video they don't want you to see!

Those videos are so sad......"New and Improved"! LOL!!

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[appnut]

Yikes!! Thanks jason!!!

 

[logixx]

8 hours.

Isn't there some point at which the dishwasher's heating phase will time out? The tech sheet for the Whirlpool GU3600XTVY2 states that the thermal hold in the main wash will time out after 55 (Pots/Pans) or 35 minutes (all other cycles). It's 45 minutes for the final rinse.

And I though Whirlpool's and Miele's Extra Silent cycles were long at 4+ hours...

 

[surgilator_68]

I believe there is a time out. I think the the added length of the cycle has to do with the calibration of the sensors. Under normal conditions I don't think an 8 hour cycle is going to happen unless it's the very first load or after a predetermined amount of cycles have been run where it will recalibrate again. I think it is something like 213 loads before it does an auto recal. I'm not looking at the manual so I could be way off on that.

They also give you a chart of when to clean the filter depending upon soil and use. I have a feeling they will revise that in time as more people complain.

 

[re563]

surgilator_68 :

One more question. I'm really interested in getting the Kenmore Ultra Wash HE 13123. Do you have access to the timing chart on that model? if so you can e-mail it to me, but if not then the question becomes, at the beginning of each cycle, is there a pumpout/drain and for how long or does it just start with a fill for prewash?

 

[appnut]

Robert, there's no initial pump out.

I've attached a link to the user manual so you can see estimated cycle times.

http://c.sears.com/assets/own/390068e.pdf